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 Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:00 pm
Lol.
No you moron. Putting a pistol in your pocket is an assured way to PRINT. Very few things even come close to resembling a firearm in their outline. If a cop, security guard, observant and pretentious bystander saw said outline, they'd probably say something about it.
If you CC at a mall, where most ban firearms, you are ********. Carrying a gun in a place that doesn't allow them on their premises is an assured way to get yourself in a whole hell of a lot of trouble.
And here is something you didn't know.
Someone who stabs or kill someone with a blade is much more likely to receive a harsh sentencing or any sentence at all. Why? Because of the close proximity and the need to ignore instinct in order to stab someone repeatedly in the gut, while their blood covers you. A jury will hang you for that.
Guns, on the other hand are seen as tools of distance even at "point-blank range". You have a much greater chance of not being charged with anything at all when using a gun in self defense.
And what would I do if someone had a knife in my face? Shoot them.
They already have the blade that close to my head, meaning their arm is close to overextending; so there is no power behind any stab they could make. Mugger would get a belly full of lead, and my head would be cut up.
Guess who wins?
Me.
Guess who doesn't go to jail?
Me.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:00 am
Haelstrom Fist Why wouldn't there be a knife an inch from your face? Did I specifically imply I was asking you and you only? Although yeah, some CQC in your face'd sound awesome.
And yes, I knew the exact model and make of what firearm you possess, silly ******** me.
And no, there isn't a difference between the two. That's just the thing. By their definitions and in an earlier time perhaps, there is - but nowadays, a street fight's just a precursor to a mugging because people can't accept a loss.
"wut u hit me!?!1 gwahahahahah i shoot u" - Happens far too often.
I used to argue a bunch of s**t with Jak in the past on this subject, and over the months, I've realized that he's pretty much got the s**t down. He knows it, and now I know it to.
Anyways, lets set up a scenario where your intended thoughts could preside, and lets put Jak's perspective into it as well, just to make it all real and s**t.
So, a mugger/angered black man/cray mexican/drunk guy with a knife if about three or so feet from you, armed with a 7 1/2" switchblade or a very sheek looking Stilletto. Jak has a gun on his person. Knowing him, it would NOT be in his pocket, because he would've been noticed and strung up by his toenails in the dead center of Old Times Texas by now. I think the place he would most likely have it, if he didn't have a holster for it would either be his rear with the safety on, tucked and held in place by the hem of whatever pants he's wearing, and secured by a belt if he had one on. Its either that, or tucked at his dominant hands side in the side of his pants. There wouldn't bee as much of an obvious outline there.
The man steps in and swings for his face. What would Jak do? He'd probably avoid it with a sidestep or backstep, his dominant hand would reach for his CCW, point, shoot, bobs your uncle, the other guy's dead. In a simple two to three seconds too, which is what it probably would be.
When you think about it, he has a damn point on why Guns have the power of rape in their clips/revolving chambers. Thats because they take rape to the next level, by ripping you a new hole to ******** you in instead.
Street fights = Fists, feet and anything on the ground and around you. Theres been more than a few occasions that I've gotten myself into s**t, and I only carry a knife on me in case of emergencies/if the other guy has one. Otherwise, its all fist.
-yawn-
Theres my monthly rant. Hope you enjoyed it. I'm now off to quote Jak's reply to the 6 shot clip, because its ******** funny.
P.S. ....GRENADA!!!!
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:49 am
Just pulling out a knife on someone means you're likely to get charged with the intent to kill.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:33 am
Guns at range would win. This I agree with however, in the scenario thats been presented I'd have to say that your severely underestimating the abilities of fighters these days unless the one getting shot was the drunk guy. Why do I say this? I know plenty of people and been in a couple of situations with said people where the guy with the gun pulled it, as you stated Jak would on his opponents, on us and when all was said and done the guy with the gun is left broken and bleeding on the ground while the rest leave unscathed. If the gunner gets within a few steps of the person at gun point or a feet feet beyond arms reach then the gun itself is just something that has to be moved around depending on the skill of the man or woman at gun point.
Now in the cases I'm referring to the guy with the gun was mugging. Meaning the guy without the gun had less time to react than if he charged in first. So in the example given unless it was the drunk man the fact that Jak could have been shredded before he even reached for his weapon is very real. Once again depending on the skill of the man with the knife. In any event underestimating someone even the unarmed guy is both dangerous and unwise.
Now I'm not saying everyone has that kind of skill and I'd be damned if I even called such ability common because its not. I just think that automatically saying that Jak or whomever has a gun in hand instantly wins or comes out on top because of that particular weapon isn't necessarily true.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:51 pm
Leathery Apron Lol. No you moron. Putting a pistol in your pocket is an assured way to PRINT. Very few things even come close to resembling a firearm in their outline. If a cop, security guard, observant and pretentious bystander saw said outline, they'd probably say something about it. If you CC at a mall, where most ban firearms, you are ********. Carrying a gun in a place that doesn't allow them on their premises is an assured way to get yourself in a whole hell of a lot of trouble. And here is something you didn't know. Someone who stabs or kill someone with a blade is much more likely to receive a harsh sentencing or any sentence at all. Why? Because of the close proximity and the need to ignore instinct in order to stab someone repeatedly in the gut, while their blood covers you. A jury will hang you for that. Guns, on the other hand are seen as tools of distance even at "point-blank range". You have a much greater chance of not being charged with anything at all when using a gun in self defense. Quote: And what would I do if someone had a knife in my face? Shoot them. They already have the blade that close to my head, meaning their arm is close to overextending; so there is no power behind any stab they could make.Mugger would get a belly full of lead, and my head would be cut up. Guess who wins?
You have to remember the ability of adrenaline to mask pain temporarily, and the fact if a knife user and yourself were right in front of eachother.. you probably wouldn't have the time to line up an exact shot; your round would go in them, certainly, but would it for sure hit a fatal or incapacitating point?
And to top it: guess who wins? Depends on where the knife is in relation to your skull. If it's closer to your chin/neck, they don't need to stab you. One swift little flick with their wrist provided they're not a failure with a knife, and you're dead.Quote: Me. Guess who doesn't go to jail? Me.
Assuming it's just you two though - this exchange occurs, and you "win." It's still murder, and unless you somehow have some good eyewitnesses testifying otherwise, you'd probably get a lesser murder charge.
To top it, even if you manage to pull off a proper shot, you're right your "head will be cut up" - all it takes is a p***k of that blade to ******** over either of your eyes or even collapse your lungs. At mid-range or long-range, sure, you win unless you're a terrible shot no problem; short-range, that guy has the advantage more than likely. He doesn't have to "aim," he doesn't have to rely on ammunition, he doesn't have to worry about whether the gun's got its safety on or whether his strike'll get the message across. He's got a pointed blade - dip it or cut it across where you want. And if the blade's already at your skull/neck region, it's naive to think you're safe just because he can't wind back for a good stab. All you need is a light puncture in the right spot - you're dead.
Not to mention, no one trying to straight stab you in even a mildly close distance would just walk towards you and let you remove your firearm out of your pocket, then get your grip on it and raise the barrel up.
.. But then again, that's making assumptions. In fact, all of the scenarios presented are. One could argue "what if the gunman already had their firearm out?" - "what if there was two people with knives?" - "why are these douchebags all wielding knives?" - "Is television to blame?" and honestly, I've already grown bored with the argument. So I'll address the only thing that matters.No. Matyrdom. That way, they'd lose either way. 
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:38 pm
I don't know why I ******** bother.
Seriously, you guys are too stupid to even discern reality from fantasy.
Your scenario implies my stupid a** is going to walk down an alley, believe it or not, many people don't do this nowadays. I'd still draw the gun before they shanked me, because of one simple fact.
They want my wallet.
If they want my wallet, they are going to let me go get my wallet. Which suddenly becomes my CCW instead. Also, a guy with a knife WILL run in the face of a firearm. Even thug-a-lug ganstas know that, and those guys don't know s**t about guns or knives beyond the crude and warped basics that they follow. AKA Bling is King.
I'd like to touch on this subject, the majority of muggings do not end with the person dieing. The mugger has no intention on going to jail for life over a few measly dollars or losing their own. You pull a gun, and they will run because they know you can't shoot them in the back in this situation. They also will probably (let's pretend) stab you in the gut. At which point a typical mugger will cut and run, leaving behind his weapon. And as you said, adrenaline. I'd still be able to grab my pistol and cap him in the back. At this point, it becomes legal for me to use deadly force when he flees.
You guys are stacking the odds heavily in the favor of the mugger by saying they are a stone cold killer with no care for the repercussions of their actions, highly intelligent, and master knife wielders. These people simply do not exist and never will.
Do you know how many hurdles you have to go jump through to get a concealed carry license? And if you bother to do all of that and then carry it around with you on a daily basis. That indicates a trained and well practiced shooter who cares about their safety through rigorous time at the range. They know their tools, they know their numbers, and they know just what to do. The flight aspect of Fight or Flight rarely ever kicks in when you have a firearm on your person. You have the ability to defend yourself and on a better level than your attacker.
s**t, knives suck so hard that even blind people with guns can kill them.
If you'd like, I can pull up the news story of this occurrence.
tl;dr - Someone with a gun will beat someone with a knife almost every time.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:52 pm
Guns, knives, rocket launchers, they all have their pros and cons. So no more internet battles over which is better than the other. It was alright at first as a debate, but it looks like it was getting personal, so I'm ending it here.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:55 pm
He sounds like the idiots that make up the Brady committee.
How can I ignore that?
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:00 pm
We all are passionate about our fields of expertise, but when a debate gets into everyone bashing aspects not related to the argument, then it becomes another internet debacle. As a third party, either calm yourselves or cease the discussion altogether. I like the wisdom, but I don't want to read a ranting response.
But that's because I'm more settled back in these types of things. As long as you don't internet hate one another at the end of the day, I'm fine. As long as we don't have this happening:
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:06 pm
That's sort of my job though.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:37 pm
I wrote out a whole response to that in order to continue arguing, but I actually have to agree this isn't worth bitching over; I saw enough of that in the form of the "Abomination" in GTB I. L3ather, hug your gun at night all you want, not my business.
Now for more important things.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_7JDgSikTxQ
This is street fighting for pros. Observe.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:26 pm
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:16 pm
I was listening to the guys comentary more then I was watching it...He's funny!
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:25 pm
I was listening to your Dad's commentary!
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:43 pm
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