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II Palmtop Tiger II Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:46 pm
Ichimura Kenshin It's in my head... I've just been busy, sorry. I'll get it after my Dr. Appt today, if I can. -shakes Ichi's head until it falls out-
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:54 pm
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II Palmtop Tiger II Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:18 pm
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:30 pm
-reads Koji's post, checks Shi's profile-
DEAR LORD.
That sword is absurdly large. gonk
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II Palmtop Tiger II Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:39 pm
Lol, that's why I had him get close, 'cuz that sword is too big to get him like that.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:06 pm
Kojiro Inugami Taigaa-tono -reads Koji's post, checks Shi's profile-
DEAR LORD.
That sword is absurdly large. gonk Lol, that's why I had him get close, 'cuz that sword is too big to get him like that. Uh, its only slightly thicker and twice the normal length of Zanpakuto, which, is like a wakizashi (just slightly longer then that.) But the thing to remember, is that the Zanpakuto is the reflection of a Shinigami's power and soul and that no matter what form (or size) a ZanpakutÅ takes, it is always virtually effortless for its owner to wield because it is a part of its owner's soul. (This being a direct quote from the Bleach site)
This is evident in Ichigo's case, where his type of weapon would be nearly impossible to be truly effective, but because it's a part of him, he can use it to its best effectiveness, the same going for Renji when Zabimaru is unleashed. Such a weapon, in reality terms, would be very difficult to control and or use effectively, but because it is part of his soul, he can use it without being hampered.
I did not make this post an auto-hit because I do not like to resort to that method unless crucially important, but in the Bleach universe, such a weapon could be used with great ability for Shiruba, especially since he has outstanding marks for his Zanjutsu skills. So, just because Shiruba's weapon is a little long, does not viably mean his skill is crucially altered . Underestimate that ability again and it may be an auto next time.
I'm not being mean or anything here. I'm just telling the facts and you were the one who approved him Taigaa, I though you already knew about his weapon?
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II Palmtop Tiger II Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:20 pm
Rathmostofar Kojiro Inugami Taigaa-tono -reads Koji's post, checks Shi's profile-
DEAR LORD.
That sword is absurdly large. gonk Lol, that's why I had him get close, 'cuz that sword is too big to get him like that. Uh, its only slightly thicker and twice the normal length of Zanpakuto, which, is like a wakizashi (just slightly longer then that.) But the thing to remember, is that the Zanpakuto is the reflection of a Shinigami's power and soul and that no matter what form (or size) a ZanpakutÅ takes, it is always virtually effortless for its owner to wield because it is a part of its owner's soul. (This being a direct quote from the Bleach site)
This is evident in Ichigo's case, where his type of weapon would be nearly impossible to be truly effective, but because it's a part of him, he can use it to its best effectiveness, the same going for Renji when Zabimaru is unleashed. Such a weapon, in reality terms, would be very difficult to control and or use effectively, but because it is part of his soul, he can use it without being hampered.
I did not make this post an auto-hit because I do not like to resort to that method unless crucially important, but in the Bleach universe, such a weapon could be used with great ability for Shiruba, especially since he has outstanding marks for his Zanjutsu skills. So, just because Shiruba's weapon is a little long, does not viably mean his skill is crucially altered . Underestimate that ability again and it may be an auto next time.
I'm not being mean or anything here. I'm just telling the facts and you were the one who approved him Taigaa, I though you already knew about his weapon? Uh... Wakizashi are shorter than katana. What you describe is even longer than a Nodachi, which requires both hands and great strength to weild. It's definitely not something one could wield like a katana unless one was huge like Koudo is. So yes, it does mean his skill is altered. >.>
And, yes, that's what it says, but it's usually referring to weight. If something's ridiculously long, it being a part of someone is not going to magically change it's range. Cut and dry, that's handling and it does not change unless Shikai suddenly allows dimension altering.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:36 pm
*scratches head*
Dude, if it's twice as long as a normal Zanpakuto, then it has a four foot blade. That's huge, bulky and impossible to wield as fluidly as a katana.
I've yet to see Ichigo wield it as easily as a katana just because it's part of him. If I missed something and he does, then Kubo needs to be shot for ignoring basic movement physics.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:37 pm
Taigaa-tono Rathmostofar Kojiro Inugami Taigaa-tono -reads Koji's post, checks Shi's profile-
DEAR LORD.
That sword is absurdly large. gonk Lol, that's why I had him get close, 'cuz that sword is too big to get him like that. Uh, its only slightly thicker and twice the normal length of Zanpakuto, which, is like a wakizashi (just slightly longer then that.) But the thing to remember, is that the Zanpakuto is the reflection of a Shinigami's power and soul and that no matter what form (or size) a ZanpakutÅ takes, it is always virtually effortless for its owner to wield because it is a part of its owner's soul. (This being a direct quote from the Bleach site)
This is evident in Ichigo's case, where his type of weapon would be nearly impossible to be truly effective, but because it's a part of him, he can use it to its best effectiveness, the same going for Renji when Zabimaru is unleashed. Such a weapon, in reality terms, would be very difficult to control and or use effectively, but because it is part of his soul, he can use it without being hampered.
I did not make this post an auto-hit because I do not like to resort to that method unless crucially important, but in the Bleach universe, such a weapon could be used with great ability for Shiruba, especially since he has outstanding marks for his Zanjutsu skills. So, just because Shiruba's weapon is a little long, does not viably mean his skill is crucially altered . Underestimate that ability again and it may be an auto next time.
I'm not being mean or anything here. I'm just telling the facts and you were the one who approved him Taigaa, I though you already knew about his weapon? Uh... Wakizashi are shorter than katana. What you describe is even longer than a Nodachi, which requires both hands and great strength to weild. It's definitely not something one could wield like a katana unless one was huge like Koudo is. So yes, it does mean his skill is altered. >.>
And, yes, that's what it says, but it's usually referring to weight. If something's ridiculously long, it being a part of someone is not going to magically change it's range. Cut and dry, that's handling and it does not change unless Shikai suddenly allows dimension altering.
And this is why I mentioned Ichigo's weapon. It was incredibly long and wide and yet he was able to use its maximum capabilities in close quarters with minimal exertion on his part. Therefore, though its not dimension altering, the sheer weightlessness it would allow, frees up the user to do what they need to.
Yes, they still need to be careful when using it, I'm not saying that it allows for perfect usage, but with the stance that Shiruba had, his ability and skill in Zanjutsu alongside with the affinity to his Zanpakuto to allow him to use such a weapon with little to no difficulty, it really does make up for the close range stuff.
If you want another good example of over-sized weapon usage, look at Ikkaku's Bankai and how he used it. Completely unrealistic in normal terms to use in close quarters or even be able to pick up, but because of the affinity, this allows him to be the master of his weapon and to use it however he saw fit.
With this information, I do not believe that Shiruba's weapons or capabilities with it should or could be altered and if you still think I'm wrong, look up this stuff yourself. Its all in the pudding and you should not disregard that information.
I'm not saying this to be mean or whatever, I'm just trying to help you all realize how Zanpakuto's work and defending my character's rights and abilities; trying to have a nice conversation about this.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:54 pm
o.o
I sense a disturbance in the force!
*flees*
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:15 pm
-Watches Koji flee-
?
-stares at the past few posts-
Oh...
-flees-
Oh...and HI KOJI-KUN!
-skips off to bed before certain Tigers threatens him to post-
= 3=
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:16 pm
Kojiro Inugami *scratches head*
Dude, if it's twice as long as a normal Zanpakuto, then it has a four foot blade. That's huge, bulky and impossible to wield as fluidly as a katana.
I've yet to see Ichigo wield it as easily as a katana just because it's part of him. If I missed something and he does, then Kubo needs to be shot for ignoring basic movement physics. Yes he does...though maybe perhaps not as easily as a katana, he uses that weapon much more fluidly and more capably then a normal human would be able to when using such a weapon.
In human scales, he'd be limited to very long, slow swipes, like that of a Zweihander or claymore, but because a Zanpakuto is linked to the person's soul and gives them the ability to use it as if it was an extension of himself, it is being used the way it is without impediment, same with Renji's Shikai, Ikkaku's Bankai and probably a few others as well.
The evidence is all on the table; in the anime, the manga and the official site for it. Plus, as a Captain, he should know by now, himself, how Zanpakuto's work and should, indeed, be shot for underestimating his abilities.
~puts in a single round into a six round revolver, spins the barrel and outs it on the table in front of Kodo~
Time for Russian Roulette ^_^
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:19 pm
Rathmostofar Plus, as a Captain, he should know by now, himself, how Zanpakuto's work and should, indeed, be shot for underestimating his abilities. ~puts in a single round into a six round revolver, spins the barrel and outs it on the table in front of Kodo~ Time for Russian Roulette ^_^ Kubo = Bleach mangaka, Koudo = 11th Captain.
Kubo =/= Koudo.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:26 pm
-walks in, sees discussion, enlightens self on circumstances-
Hmm...I can see where you're coming from Rath, but Zanpakuto are still bound by the realm of physics. Weight does matter (Zanpakuto obviously have weight the user can feel otherwise how would Wabisuke be able to make Haineko weigh so much) as do rotational physics. Because of your rpc's blade size, when Kodo closes he effectively loses all "finesse" type abilities for the simple fact that a weapon of that size cannot move fluidly to attack someone at close range. You would be limited to simple horizontal and vertical slashes for the most part with both hands. In addition, because the tip is always moving faster due to rotational physics, the most force is ALWAYS towards the end of the blade. Being that close causes your char to burn a lot more energy for less damage because the target is within what I'll call the "minimum efficient damage radius." The two handed thing with leads to a problem of defense, which I'm guessing is also what Ko was getting at, being that Not only are both hands always dedicated to the attack, but your balance is off because the length of the blade throws off your center of gravity due to this extra mass being offset from your arms. Also on the Ichigo point, he never fights offensively with his shikai at close range. If you notice he always grabs towards the top and uses it mostly for parries and other defensive maneuvers until he can force the enemy back at range. You seem to feel that your character is being cheated by having this minimum radius that others don't, but keep in mind the larger blade also gives you a maximum radius that is farther out, granting you a distinct advantage against an enemy that's at range.
TL biggrin R Kodo is standing within your blade's minimum efficient damage radius and the only real course of action is to switch into a defensive parry stance until he can force him back at range. Any attempts at attack will result in maximum energy expenditure for minimum damage causing him to tire quickly uselessly. That is if Kodo doesn't press the advantage and beat him beforehand.
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