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 Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:11 am
Being Educated should not make you "scary"! gonk
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:15 am
TeaDidikai Being Educated should not make you "scary"! gonk I feel ya in that respect. I've "scared" people with what I know too. Honestly there are times that I do feel intimidated by you, but I recognize that it's my own personal insecurities rather than who you are and what you know. Edit: Clarity and directness
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:17 am
Collowrath Recursive Paradox The whole situation with Roman Polanski has brought out the rape apologists in swarms. Apparently, just saying no isn't enough, you have to punch the rapist in the face too. Oh and if you get drunk it means you auto consent to sex with someone. Clearly. >.< I ******** hate people. Keep in mind though, that for three decades, the girl has been desperately trying to get lawyers and the media to just drop it already - she has already settled with him out of court and would rather you, me, the media, the law, and everyone else gawking at them just let her get on with her life and quit drudging up incredibly painful memories. On the other hand, even taking that into account --he fled the country to get out what was most likely an extremely reduced sentence. It wouldn't be dragged up to hurt her if he had been brought to justice when he was supposed to.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:39 am
maenad nuri Collowrath Recursive Paradox The whole situation with Roman Polanski has brought out the rape apologists in swarms. Apparently, just saying no isn't enough, you have to punch the rapist in the face too. Oh and if you get drunk it means you auto consent to sex with someone. Clearly. >.< I ******** hate people. Keep in mind though, that for three decades, the girl has been desperately trying to get lawyers and the media to just drop it already - she has already settled with him out of court and would rather you, me, the media, the law, and everyone else gawking at them just let her get on with her life and quit drudging up incredibly painful memories. On the other hand, even taking that into account --he fled the country to get out what was most likely an extremely reduced sentence. It wouldn't be dragged up to hurt her if he had been brought to justice when he was supposed to. I don't think whether or not he goes through a trial is the issue anymore. It's certainly not for the girl. I don't even think the issue is people who want him free so he can go on making admittedly brillant movies. I don't understand the people who are crushed at Tilda Swinton signing that petition. She's just an actress, she does stupid things too, and I'm not going to hold her up as the pinnacle of decency. The real issue, at least for me, is the ******** dumb s**t people are saying. For him going to jail, against him going to jail, what the ******** ever. Whoopi Goldberg saying it's "Not rape rape" on the other hand? That's ******** moronic. I get that people can excuse a lot of s**t because there are mitigating circumstances, which likely explains why there are so many names on that petition, but saying it's not something when it ******** provable was? That's utter bullshit.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:18 am
rmcdra TeaDidikai Being Educated should not make you "scary"! gonk I feel ya in that respect. I've "scared" people with what I know too. Honestly there are times that I do feel intimidated by you, but I recognize that it's my own personal insecurities rather than who you are and what you know. Edit: Clarity and directness I used to get intimidated when faced with a person clearly more knowledgeable than me. That's no longer really a problem, however. I now view them as people to learn from. Now, my worry is that someone will expect me to be knowledgeable than I am and be disappointed when I fail to meet their standards.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:25 am
Aino Ailill I used to get intimidated when faced with a person clearly more knowledgeable than me. That's no longer really a problem, however. I now view them as people to learn from. Now, my worry is that someone will expect me to be knowledgeable than I am and be disappointed when I fail to meet their standards. Same here. It was one of the great learning experiences of M&R on the whole for me - running into people who actually knew things, and questioned my assumptions on knowledge until I was forced to prove them or retract. People like Tea, Cu, Deo and nuri helped me shape my own inquery into my faith, and I owe them quite a bit for that. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:57 am
Aino Ailill I used to get intimidated when faced with a person clearly more knowledgeable than me. That's no longer really a problem, however. I now view them as people to learn from. Now, my worry is that someone will expect me to be knowledgeable than I am and be disappointed when I fail to meet their standards. My gnosis forced me to accept that there is much I don't know and much I can learn from others if I take the time to listen. What you mentioned is actually another fear of mine too. I fear disappointing those that look up to me.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:25 pm
I am going to have to respond to one episode of unbelievable rape apology though.
NO ******** UNDERAGE INTOXICATED PERSON CAN ******** CONSENT TO SEX, YOU LAW IGNORANT TOAD.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:28 pm
Celeblin Galadeneryn I am going to have to respond to one episode of unbelievable rape apology though. NO ******** UNDERAGE INTOXICATED PERSON CAN ******** CONSENT TO SEX, YOU LAW IGNORANT TOAD. Yeah, I heard about that. I'm...confused as to the thinking there, myself. Must just be because they like Roman that much, but last I heard, it's statutory because she's underage and rape because she was drunk and on drugs at the time - drugs and alcohol he gave her. So not rape rape doesn't cut it for me. It's more a double rape, really.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:35 pm
Byaggha Celeblin Galadeneryn I am going to have to respond to one episode of unbelievable rape apology though. NO ******** UNDERAGE INTOXICATED PERSON CAN ******** CONSENT TO SEX, YOU LAW IGNORANT TOAD. Yeah, I heard about that. I'm...confused as to the thinking there, myself. Must just be because they like Roman that much, but last I heard, it's statutory because she's underage and rape because she was drunk and on drugs at the time - drugs and alcohol he gave her. So not rape rape doesn't cut it for me. It's more a double rape, really. Oh, I'm not directly relating to Goldberg. I'm talking about someone who tried to defend Goldberg in saying that by "not rape rape" she meant maybe the girl consented. Which is ******** IMPOSSIBLE. Unless you saw that in M&R and that's what you mean.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:38 pm
Celeblin Galadeneryn Oh, I'm not directly relating to Goldberg. I'm talking about someone who tried to defend Goldberg in saying that by "not rape rape" she meant maybe the girl consented. Which is ******** IMPOSSIBLE. Unless you saw that in M&R and that's what you mean. Both, really. Because I don't understand the mindset at all. Claiming it wasn't rape is ig'nant, given the facts of the case. So yeah.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:42 pm
Celeblin Galadeneryn I am going to have to respond to one episode of unbelievable rape apology though. NO ******** UNDERAGE INTOXICATED PERSON CAN ******** CONSENT TO SEX, YOU LAW IGNORANT TOAD. I think Tsukiyomi (whom I assume you are referring to) interpreted being 'not rape rape' as being rape according to legal definition but not rape outside of the legal definition. E posited that a thirteen year-old has the mental capacity, though not the legal capacity, to give informed consent to both the drugs and to the sex. So...rape, but not rape rape. Do note, I'm not defending this position. Just presenting what I understood of the post. I am wholly ignorant of the rape in question and so couldn't possibly begin to speculate on the events.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:44 pm
Aino Ailill I think Tsukiyomi (whom I assume you are referring to) interpreted being 'not rape rape' as being rape according to legal definition but not rape outside of the legal definition. E posited that a thirteen year-old has the mental capacity, though not the legal capacity, to give informed consent to both the drugs and to the sex. So...rape, but not rape rape. Do note, I'm not defending this position. Just presenting what I understood of the post. I am wholly ignorant of the rape in question and so couldn't possibly begin to speculate on the events. The problem with that claim is that even if the 13 year old had the mental capacity to consent originally, she was plied with liquors and drugs first, which took that away from her. So still rape.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:55 pm
Byaggha Aino Ailill I think Tsukiyomi (whom I assume you are referring to) interpreted being 'not rape rape' as being rape according to legal definition but not rape outside of the legal definition. E posited that a thirteen year-old has the mental capacity, though not the legal capacity, to give informed consent to both the drugs and to the sex. So...rape, but not rape rape. Do note, I'm not defending this position. Just presenting what I understood of the post. I am wholly ignorant of the rape in question and so couldn't possibly begin to speculate on the events. The problem with that claim is that even if the 13 year old had the mental capacity to consent originally, she was plied with liquors and drugs first, which took that away from her. So still rape. Is it always rape when a person has sex with an intoxicated person?
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:04 pm
Aino Ailill Is it always rape when a person has sex with an intoxicated person? Given that in this case, there's been settlement based on the fact that it was rape? I'd say it applies in this case. And according to law, a person is incapable of consent when intoxicated, so if someone were to have sex with them while they were in that state and then the intoxicated person says it was rape later, it was, because they lacked capacity to properly consent.
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