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 Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:49 pm
At the time, just before this verse, Peter had declared Jesus as the Son of God. Jesus answered "Thou art Peter," the word Cephus is used, meaning pebble or small stone, because Jesus' true identity had been reaveled, and now he was reaviling Peter's. "And upon this rock," this is the Greek word meaning cornerstone or large rock, which doesn't refer to Peter, but to the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:13 pm
Collun At the time, just before this verse, Peter had declared Jesus as the Son of God. Jesus answered "Thou art Peter," the word Cephus is used, meaning pebble or small stone, because Jesus' true identity had been reaveled, and now he was reaviling Peter's. "And upon this rock," this is the Greek word meaning cornerstone or large rock, which doesn't refer to Peter, but to the fact that Jesus is the Son of God. *sighs* The Gospel of Matthew was written in Greek, and so it was written as "Thou art Petros and upon this Petra I shall build my church." Although these are different forms of the word rock (feminine and masculine), they had to refer to Peter as "petros" otherwise it would be embarassing (to refer to him as female).
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:16 pm
Curium marysservant...don't get me wrong here...I'm not Catholic bashing..but I mean if you're mary's servant then does that mean you worship her? Because I was Catholic for almost 14 years and I never remember about being told that any of us were servants of mary. I remember that we were and are servants of God and of Jesus. At least that's what I was taught at Sunday School. And I only recently became protestant, so I don't think I would have forgotten what I learned in my Catholic Sunday School. Well, I have "invited her into my home" as the Apostle St. John did. Jesus told him, "Behold your Mother" and he told Mary, "Behold your son." I am taking Mary into my 'home' as the 'beloved disciple' did, as Jesus commanded. I am first and foremost the disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:48 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:00 pm
Peter's name is Cephas, meaning pebble. It is used in one of the letters. And if indeed he is Pope, and Christ on Earth, then why was he not blatantly followed? Some of the people, in an argument, followed Cephas, some followed Apollus (or something like that) and some Paul (I think), but if Peter were Pope, all would follow him. He isn't Pope, and the rock, which Jesus talks about, is the fact that he is the Son of God, for if Peter was the Rock, then he would be more powerful than Christ.
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:40 am
Okay, pardon me for not being here in so long. Eteponge, thanks for the big input you gave me about the Septuagint. I've been unable to do any research on it, but you gave me alot of homework! LOL sweatdrop Okay, I dunno if Arilavent's going to come back, but I'll reply to this anyway. Arilavent Rebecca1000 Quote: Matthew 4:4 - Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. " But man still lives on bread in some part, right? Not living on bread alone does not exclude bread from the equation. Just so, living with scripture and with tradition can be acceptable. Yes, but scripture is more important. Scripture is infalliable, unlike tradition which is imperfect thanks to mankind being imperfect. We should always be ready to throw away tradition and status quo when it comes to obeying God's Word. Arilavent Quote: Matthew 7: 26 - "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. I can put both the scripture and tradition into practice without either them being mutually exclusive. If you can, good - but, it may be more difficult for others. I know it might be for me. But like I said, we mustn't let tradition be more important. Quote: Quote: Both of these Scriptures state that Jesus Christ Himself believed that those who follow God must depend on the Word of God. Depending on the Word of God =/= Disregarding everything else in life. What do you mean by "everthing else in life"? Do you mean, like, the basic needs of life, such as food, or something else? I don't understand your response. Quote: Quote: I believe it depends on the issue; in the issue of Catholicism, however, it seems that some Catholic beliefs that are out of the Bible could be kinda risky to one's salvation, if you don't mind me saying. sweatdrop That's your opinion, but I'm sure Catholic theologians have gone over them hundreds of times without any problem refuting that same stance in their own minds. Okay, but are they using just thier minds? If so, they need to be confirm what they think of with the Bible. Arilavent Quote: I do believe that there is scripture somewhere in the New Testament that states that it is dangerous to "add or subtract" to what God has says in His Word - I'm still searching for it. But, I will let you know when I find it. I do hope you dont start from the beginning of the Bible, as you'll find it at the end of Revelation. wink Oh, so you understand what I'm saying! So, why do the Catholics seem to "add" to God's Word through Church Tradition and whatever the pope makes into a divine decree? There's something wrong with that... Arilavent Quote: In response to all 3 of your responses, the difference between asking for someone on Earth to pray for you, and someone who's deceased and in heaven to pray for you - well, does the latter not speak for itself? They're deceased. They no longer have the spiritual power given by Christians to reach Christ with their prayers. If anything, they probably don't even need or want it. They're in a totally different world from where we are. I disagree. A dead Christian remains a Christian. Why would Gods commands disappear from one life to the other, while our spirit remains constant. But, they're still dead. Speaking to the dead is forbidden in the Bible. Arilavent Quote: Whoa, sorry to interrupt, but ... Maccabees??? I've heard it said before on Gaia that that once was part of the Bible (along with an Acrophycra or something???) , but I'm going to need some serious proof to believe that! Oh my, please do your research, then, as it's very true. You see, is missing several books and verses that were used for hundreds of years prior to the Protestant revolution. It's missing 1 and 2 Maccabees, the rest of the Book of Esther, the last Psalm (151), and a bunch of others. You can find it on Wikipedia, if you really want proof. Also, any encyclopedia you might own will probably have the word Septuagint in it, which is the Catholic version of the Bible. Thanks. Like I said earlier, I got a lot of homework to do.
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:18 am
Rebecca1000 Like I said earlier, I got a lot of homework to do. Which is why you took the time to make that really huge post. o_o;
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:30 pm
NewAgeLink Rebecca1000 Like I said earlier, I got a lot of homework to do. Which is why you took the time to make that really huge post. o_o; Well, I wanted to get this response outta the way.
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:57 pm
I'm sorry I hardly have the chance to post in this thread (this guild even), I leave it in charge of the Catholics of this guild. But I would also like to thank everyone who has been posting here, may we all at least UNDERSTAND eachother's beliefs. That is what is important.
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:45 pm
Aw, you leavin' us, mary?
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:18 pm
NewAgeLink Aw, you leavin' us, mary? Please don't shorten me name to "Mary" seeing as how I'm a guy, but yes... I'm leaving, I will check up every now and then however.
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:21 am
marysservant I'm sorry I hardly have the chance to post in this thread (this guild even), I leave it in charge of the Catholics of this guild. But I would also like to thank everyone who has been posting here, may we all at least UNDERSTAND eachother's beliefs. That is what is important. No its not. The understanding is that Jesus Christ is the only saviour the only one who can forgive of sins. And since we have been "washed by the blood of the lamb" we are servants of Jesus Christ Thus we do what he says if we really love him and the only thing we ought to be doing is winning souls for Jesus!
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:22 pm
-=H!lt=-Lvs-=Jesus=-4Ever marysservant I'm sorry I hardly have the chance to post in this thread (this guild even), I leave it in charge of the Catholics of this guild. But I would also like to thank everyone who has been posting here, may we all at least UNDERSTAND eachother's beliefs. That is what is important. No its not. The understanding is that Jesus Christ is the only saviour the only one who can forgive of sins. And since we have been "washed by the blood of the lamb" we are servants of Jesus Christ Thus we do what he says if we really love him and the only thing we ought to be doing is winning souls for Jesus! Are you implying that the Catholic Church is NOT christian? Because it is. We might interpret scripture differently than you do, but you have no right to say that we are not christian. We love the Lord Jesus with all our heart, and if you do not believe that, then you don't have to... (yes, I took that as an insult, and I demand an apology)
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:04 pm
Ok, I personally don't agree with the Catholic church for several reasons, but I have to agree in the fact that they ARE Christians. The word Christian means that you believe in Jesus Christ as your savior. Now, I haven't done a lot of research on the Catholic faith, but I do know a good bit, and it's obvious that they do believe Christ as their savior. Now that I'm done with that little statement, I'll be on my way... ninja
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:17 pm
Actually I do have the right to say Catholics aren't Christians (1st ammendment).
On a different note, I'm not here to bash catholics, I'm here to expose them. They have nothing to hide, but if they try to hide it, then maybe they do. Anyway, my first point is that being catholic doesn't make a person less of a human or more of a Christian.
Second, I would like to express my lack of belief that Catholocism is Christian, especially that "Christians" today are barely Christian.
What I believe is that Catholics are members of satans army, and that I would love it if they could prove me wrong, but they haven't.
Just actions do not require justification.
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