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Reply TOWN RP: Ulorbbath --- Lolthlite hub of UnderGaia, goverened under a powerful Matriarch
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:40 am


Males cannot rule a house, regardless of their religion. Selvetarm is Lolth's champion, and Selvetarm's priest's job is to protect/assist/w/e the Spider Queen's priestesses.

You won't need an insignia. Instead of saying Ilharn, you would just say Master. So yea, that's the proper title for a patron.

You could find residence in a Lolthlite house if you worship Selvetarm. Ulorbbath acknowledges his worship, but it's not flashed around, "Hey! I worship Selvetarm!" Get what I'm saying?

Selvetarm's worship as far as temples etc..is not prominent. It does not compete with Lolth's worship. This is a Lolthlite city.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:52 pm


Quenthal as usual, puts it beautifully.

A further note on the words Ilharess and Ilharn and their root elements.

Il = female (which is assumed to be superior)
Har = under or beneath
Ress = Suffix for feminine
N = Suffix for masculine in this case

So...
Ilharess = Female who is above others
Ilharn = Male who is above others (which in drow society most often happens as a result of female selection)

Ilharess and Ilharn titles are only used thus far in association with a Qu'ellar (qu = commanding/noble derived from quarth (v. to order) and ellar is house or dwelling).

The most common title for any male with any actual authority is Jabbuk (master, exactly as Quenthal has said). You might ask, "well, if there are so many jabbuks, how do we know which male is in charge of others in a given organization?" The answer is, in chaotic drow society, there is no regimented pecking order for groups, rather, it applies more to individuals in relation to one another ...when any given drow meets any other drow, one is superior, and the other is inferior; they will almost never be equal, even in military units. This interraction is very subtle and if they are not sure who's boss, they will attempt to sort it out as soon as possible (either overtly or subtley)... somewhat like a meeting of wolves such that if it doesn't happen smoothly and the alpha isn't quickly established, there will be blood.

The other factor is that there are various ladders and layers to these perceptions of power. A given drow may have real power and influence, yet no recognition of such amongst the nobility or clergy of Lolth. This would especially be true of a merchant clan master. He might be powerful enough even to topple a lesser noble house or push them around with coercion/threats, but openly he would defer to any noble and especially female priestesses. The heirarchy is subtle and shifting beneath the surface, and though the veneer of strict rule of law as decreed by the Yathrinen is given lip surface, the truth of the matter is that no drow can be assigned a static and dependable rank which you can set your watch by.

So, to summarize, according to original material, drow merchants don't have houses (noble or otherwise), they have clans (using Gygax's words). I'm sure that a better word could be coined in drow to describe this, but it certainly wouldn't be "Qu'ellar." For now, I recommend just using "Clan Such-and-Such" and titling the clan leader as "Jabbuk D'Clan Such-and-Such" or if english word name, then, "Jabbuk OF Such and Such."

Example: Draevir was "Jabbuk of Violet Mushroom." His assistants were Jabbuken of various offices within Violet Mushroom and it was understood Draevir was in charge of all in the clan until someone could step up and depose him so the title of jabbuk is generic see?

One final note: for drow, I recommend to try and stay away from the urge to regiment everyone into army-like ranks. While a facade of order is lended to titles (in their drow language form) like general, captain, lieutenant, governor of this or that, deputy director-secretary of this or that, etc., the truth is, no drow gives a crap about another drow's title from moment to moment if that drow doesn't have the clout to enforce that rank by either raw strength or subtle manipulation.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:02 pm


I should also add, that you should always follow rules exactly as they are dictated by any priestess of Lolth with all i's dotted and all t's crossed...

And then as soon as they turn their backs, forget orders and just do whatever the hell you want; if you want to title yourself Grand Vizier of Istanbul, Supreme Patron Father of Menzoberranzan and President of 6 of the 7 heavens, by all means, go ahead. You're a drow... it's not a crime ...unless you get caught...

...but, definitely, don't get caught. ninja
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:38 pm


LOL

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:55 pm


Thank you very much Draevir that was very informative and helpful.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:47 am


Does Faerzress exist in any substantial amount in Ulorbbath?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:07 pm


Captain Chemosh
Does Faerzress exist in any substantial amount in Ulorbbath?


None has been documented yet, however, it would be expected (IMO) that at least some Faerzress areas and nodes would be at least within travel distance of Ulorbbath. Not neccessarily though, because the canon hasn't really been established on things like this (assumedely FR: DotU source would be useful here). I have a post (as of a few days ago) in the crew forum asking about getting some of our canon cemented to answer questions about what bits of which sources we are going to use. Faerzress would fall within this realm of clarification.

For now, just assume there is a Faerzress node within an hour march of the city that is known of and guarded as property of Ulorbbath. Quenthal may want to change this so be adaptable.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:06 pm


I see, just asking so that if I ever desire to teleport a slave order if it might botch or not. Thank you for the info, it is appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:42 pm


Captain Chemosh
I see, just asking so that if I ever desire to teleport a slave order if it might botch or not. Thank you for the info, it is appreciated.


Well, the great thing about your question is that it expedites our our coming to a firm decision on it. smile
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:40 am


We still looking for a plot?
Well, that explains that lack of activity. However I am curious as to what was the original plot?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:44 am


Yes.

The original plot.......There wasn't one. The last thing that happened was that Hun'Afin destroyed the third house, and then Tor'Afin would ascend in the process. This was given out by Ulvira who speaks for Lolth.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:15 pm


So, it was basically a day in the life sort of roleplay...?
If there needs to be a underlying plot for the city. Why don't we start off simple? I've notice this happen before in webcomics.
The story starts simple, but as the author starts thinking of new things they create a more complex plot.
Basically, what I'm saying is, can't we start with a basic idea and grow with it?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:37 pm


Isn't that how most plots start out anyway? I've wanted to get the other matrons in on this, but I guess they are oblivious to this thread.

I'm about to say ******** it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:37 pm


I apologize for my absence. To put in what I would like to be seen done is perhaps another sort of rival between another city. Like when Kiaransalee was trying to use Au'shinduago to attack Lolth and Ulorbbath. We don't have to use Kiaransalee per se but something along those lines would be interesting. I was really excited when that plot was going down because that's when I first joined Undergaia but I was really disappointed in the end of the plot.. I wish that there was more closure to it.

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