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 Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:04 am
[-Captain Obvious-] Caleidah
"Guess Range" has effectively been done away with. By the best of my knowledge, what is done now is to place the template where you want to shoot and then measure to be sure that the center hole is in range for your shot.Awesome Wait, you didn't properly read the weapons section of 5th edition? Guess Range weapons no longer exist, now they are generally called Barrage Weapons. Page 32 of the big blue book.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:15 pm
Ok this explains it, I have 4th edition. My friends and I are all playing off of my 4th edition codex
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:44 pm
This was just explained/showed to me in the rule book, it all makes sense now. I figure I should pass it on. (The 2d6 pick the highest is for armor penetration.)
Ordinance, 2d6 pick the highest
Ordinance Blast, 2d6 pick the highest, large blast template
Ordinance Barrage, 2d6 pick the highest, large blast template, no line of sight needed.
Knowing that barrage does not need line of sight and there is no more guessing, I feel the need to add lots of barrage weapons, like mortar teams, and several different types of artillery... or play a 2v2 and have an artillery army...
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:00 pm
[-Captain Obvious-] Knowing that barrage does not need line of sight and there is no more guessing, I feel the need to add lots of barrage weapons, like mortar teams, and several different types of artillery... or play a 2v2 and have an artillery army... Here here! Medusas in regular battles and Basilisks in Apocalypse. ninja
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:01 pm
Captain Obvious, please get 5th edition and join the rest of the world, we already know all that.
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:44 pm
Alright I have it, now may new questions arise...
Can Junior Officers, and their special character equivalent (from platoon command squad) issue orders to the company command squad and their equivalent? (lower ranking officers issue orders to higher ranking officers?)
If a Psychic fails his psychic attack and suffers a perils of the warp he suffers 1 wound with no armor or cover save... Why would I ever place a commissar in his group. If there isn't a commissar in the psychic's group, he suffers 1 wound with nor armor or cover save however if there's a commissar in his group, he instead takes a bolt round to the head because of the rule it's for you're own good... how is this helpful again? both outcomes are the same.
5 mortar crews fire on a squad of 30 ork boys with a warboss attached to it. The Warboss is directly in the center of the 30 ork boys. All 5 mortar crew shots at direct hits on top of the ork warboss. The unit cohesion is spread to the max and the only unit(s) under the blast template is the ork warboss. What happens now? Does the ork warboss make 5 rolls to wound and then X amount to save? Do 5 other random ork boys make 5 rolls to wound then X amount to save? Does the ork Warboss make 5 rolls to wound then X amount to save and then allocate those unsaved wounds to other orks or himself?
Is GW really telling me that a Leman Russ Punisher's Punisher Gatling Cannon really only slighly stronger than the regular guardsmen lasgun?
The Lumbering Behemoth rule, does this allow the Leman Russ Battle Tank (and it's variant) to fire it's main turret weapon and it's hull mounted weapon and sponsons? or only main turret, or hull mounted weapon and sponsons only? or some weird variation.
Can a Primaris Psyker be attached to an vehicle squadron?
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:17 pm
[-Captain Obvious-] Alright I have it, now may new questions arise... Can Junior Officers, and their special character equivalent (from platoon command squad) issue orders to the company command squad and their equivalent? (lower ranking officers issue orders to higher ranking officers?) They can but why would they? A company command squad can take orders from a platoon command squad but what's the use of that? Quote: If a Psychic fails his psychic attack and suffers a perils of the warp he suffers 1 wound with no armor or cover save... Why would I ever place a commissar in his group. If there isn't a commissar in the psychic's group, he suffers 1 wound with nor armor or cover save however if there's a commissar in his group, he instead takes a bolt round to the head because of the rule it's for you're own good... how is this helpful again? both outcomes are the same. It's fluffy and works with the background. Quote: 5 mortar crews fire on a squad of 30 ork boys with a warboss attached to it. The Warboss is directly in the center of the 30 ork boys. All 5 mortar crew shots at direct hits on top of the ork warboss. The unit cohesion is spread to the max and the only unit(s) under the blast template is the ork warboss. What happens now? Does the ork warboss make 5 rolls to wound and then X amount to save? Do 5 other random ork boys make 5 rolls to wound then X amount to save? Does the ork Warboss make 5 rolls to wound then X amount to save and then allocate those unsaved wounds to other orks or himself? Right, this one is confusing as feth. :X Are all mortars in the same squad or are they all separate? If they are all in the same formation then you should know that they are treated as a barrage, all blasts are connected and NOT stacked on top of one another. Please be a bit less confusing about this one and read up about barrage weapons in the 5th edition book. Quote: Is GW really telling me that a Leman Russ Punisher's Punisher Gatling Cannon really only slighly stronger than the regular guardsmen lasgun? Yes. Quote: The Lumbering Behemoth rule, does this allow the Leman Russ Battle Tank (and it's variant) to fire it's main turret weapon and it's hull mounted weapon and sponsons? or only main turret, or hull mounted weapon and sponsons only? or some weird variation. Main turret weapon plus another weapon, so this can be an ordnance weapon plus say a lascannon or plasma cannon. Quote: Can a Primaris Psyker be attached to an vehicle squadron? No, IC's cannot unless noted otherwise in the codex or 5th edition rulebook.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:16 pm
ok for the mortar question, A squad of 30 ork boys, with a warboss attached to it, is hit with 5 blast templates. (str 4 ap 6) The ork boys with the warboss are spread out in a perfectly straight line, with the orkwarboss leading the pack. Now all 5 blast templates only cover the orkwarboss. How does one calculate wounds and saves? Can someone explain the outcome or tell me which page this is covered in the rulebook?
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:25 pm
If all 5 ONLY cover the warboss who joined the boy unit then the unit take the hits, not the warboss, unless the person who play the orks decide that one hit go on the warboss.
If you want a 100% chance hit on the warboss you need to get atleast 31 wounds on the unit since all models in the unit needs to take a wound before anyone can take several wounds...
This is all covered in the wounds allocation section in the rulebook though... Read it and you'll understand it better.
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:41 am
[-Captain Obvious-] ok for the mortar question, A squad of 30 ork boys, with a warboss attached to it, is hit with 5 blast templates. (str 4 ap 6) The ork boys with the warboss are spread out in a perfectly straight line, with the orkwarboss leading the pack. Now all 5 blast templates only cover the orkwarboss. How does one calculate wounds and saves? Can someone explain the outcome or tell me which page this is covered in the rulebook? Wounds are assigned to units, not models. As such, the 31 model unit takes 5 wounds, which are allocated by the defender; he could choose to put one on the Warboss, but most will choose to wound 5 boyz instead. Each model would then take whatever saves were available to it; armor in the unlikely instance of an allocation to the Warboss, any available cover save/'ard armor in the case of the boyz. In terms of page numbers, page 30 describes Blast weapons, and notes that after you generate the hits on the unit, wounds are allocated as normal. wound allocation is described on page 25.
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:03 am
Ok, got a good question about contesting units:
Can tank/vehicles contests objectives/table questers?
In the older rule book none of the tanks nor vehicles couldn´t hold or contest
objectives and in the modern one only has a refrence that the presence of another enemy units may deny the objective,
but doesn´t specify which of these units can do this.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:03 pm
Armondai,
as per page 90 of the 5th Edition rule book... No, vehicles of any kind may NOT contest. The only time that rule is an exception is when the vehicle in question is a transport and is currently carrying a unit of Troops.
Hope that helps.
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:30 am
Asmondai Ok, got a good question about contesting units:
Can tank/vehicles contests objectives/table questers?
In the older rule book none of the tanks nor vehicles couldn´t hold or contest
objectives and in the modern one only has a refrence that the presence of another enemy units may deny the objective,
but doesn´t specify which of these units can do this. Any unit may contest. Vehicles, Spore Mines, Drones, whatever. Unless it specifically notes in it's rules that it does not contest, the presence of any enemy unit whatsoever within 3" of an objective or inside a table quarter will contest said objective or table quarter. Contesting is not the same as being Scoring. Scoring units are the only ones able to claim said objective/quarter though; only Troops may secure objectives. Incidentally, 'contested' and 'contesting' are no longer terms in the rules lexicon in 5th. They're holdovers from 4th ed and previous editions. You're also wrong about the previous edition; ALL vehicles were scoring units in 4th ed. DarkReaper40k Armondai, as per page 90 of the 5th Edition rule book... No, vehicles of any kind may NOT contest. The only time that rule is an exception is when the vehicle in question is a transport and is currently carrying a unit of Troops. Hope that helps. False. Page 90 defines Scoring units. Scoring units are those actually able to claim objectives, but any unit may contest. Page 91 spells out (twice!) that any enemy unit in the 3" bubble of objectives prevents the claiming of obectives; thus all units are capable of contesting.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:55 pm
Ah, thank you for clearing that up. smile
Yay, my tournie army shall work. ^^
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:39 pm
Sorry Oryn but you're missing an important detail of that passage. It refers to vehicles that count as troops such as vehicles squadrons. They may NOT do so. So while yes, you are partially right in correcting me as I failed to elaborate, there is still partial truth to what was said. Knowing is half the battle after all.
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