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 Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:12 pm
The Darth Vizzle 5567_No_Okami If one dies but the death is determined to be "accidental" is it the same as a ko? Generally speaking, yes. If the death was non-essential or the attack in question was not an absolute/assured fatality, then it's regarded as a KO, rather than as a fatal attack. This is so that if people are losing a fight, they can't just go "Hark, I am fallen!" and take a hit and have their character die, thereby DQing their opponent. As an aside, while my character's death was accidental, the attack was also immediately and assuredly fatal to her, so, there's that.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:16 pm
My character was gonna pass out from blood loss.
Then came the sky hammer.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:25 pm
King Bug My character was gonna pass out from blood loss. Then came the sky hammer. One should never be denied the death by sky hammer, its certainly one of the betters way to go out.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:35 pm
Sigil Warden [ As an aside, while my character's death was accidental, the attack was also immediately and assuredly fatal to her, so, there's that. From what I saw off-hand that isn't the case, but like I said before, I also didn't closely read so I only got a very rough gist and I'd have to look again to really make a call one way or the other. Just like at a glance, the death of Okami's character.. didn't really seem to be an assured fatality. It was one of those "Yeah, it COULD kill.. but not necessarily." But I openly admit that I haven't followed either fight very closely, so I could be wrong. And it's likely that the situation regarding reading said fights isn't going to change since most of my reading time is taken up by coursework now. When I say "assured fatality", I mean something absolute like a bullet to the dome or getting decapitated or ripping somebody's heart out, something that leaves ZERO probability for living, where the intent and the result are both unequivocally fatal. Most attacks in tournaments are never fatalities in that fashion, simply because it's against the rules. From what I've seen in past tournaments, most deaths aren't intentionally/unequivocally fatal, nor are they resultant from the dying fighter trying to take a fall to sabotage their opponent's victory. It's just that the probability for a fatality is there, so they roll with it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:40 pm
You don't understand. To my character, that attack was outright lethal, because of her specific characteristics.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:42 pm
Is it because she's undead so she has a shitty bone structure or something? I don't know WoW lore well enough to know much about the undead, or how their "living" systems work other than that they're.. you know, undead.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:44 pm
I don't know, I got hit with an attack that could send a grown man flying fifteen yards and still slam them into a wall and all that sent me straight down... I don't know if even a healthy person could survive that, then again, I don't know how far most people that get hit by a car fly >.>
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:48 pm
The Darth Vizzle Is it because she's undead so she has a shitty bone structure or something? I don't know WoW lore well enough to know much about the undead, or how their "living" systems work other than that they're.. you know, undead. In her case, the magic that animates her is seated in her skeletal structure. It's something specific to the character rather than the WoW mythos as a whole, mainly to balance out some of her strengths.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:49 pm
5567_No_Okami I don't know, I got hit with an attack that could send a grown man flying fifteen yards and still slam them into a wall and all that sent me straight down... I don't know if even a healthy person could survive that, then again, I don't know how far most people that get hit by a car fly >.> Given that you were missing half your arm and your nose had been ripped off, its baffling that you weren't already on the ground bleeding out.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:53 pm
Ea The Wizard Visionarium Go to the roof of the hotel. I feel like doing something fun. Did that, now i'm bored! and standing in the cold! Sorry! I saw. I'll be on in a couple hours. Been planning something out. Dont plan to disappoint. !!
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:55 pm
I've been hit by a car as a pedestrian and walked it off, but admittedly it was probably only going 10-15.
A lot of things can throw someone. Get into a swing and move back and forth, then take a hop out. If someone is strong enough, they could physically throw you a solid number of feet.
When you're dealing with supernatural powers - especially something abstract like an "energy" attack ala Spirit Gun or something - it's understood that things like knockback aren't always equivocal to real world levels of force.
It's one of those "Don't assume" situations. If someone's character shoots a Hadouken described as being capable of knocking a character back several meters, but it isn't described as fatal.. then it's probably not designed to be fatal. It's probably designed to do what it says it does: knock somebody back.
This is one of those instances where you rely on common sense and logic, not on "real world physics." Real world physics are a common frame of reference but they're often bent or tossed right out the window where powers are concerned. That's the entire point.
EDIT:: Ah, I got'cha Sigil. Still, people land on their heads an awful lot without necessarily taking skeletal damage. It's almost kind of surprising how often people get dropped on their heads and DON'T take serious damage, because you look at it and it's like "Goddamn, how does that NOT break your neck?" Like I said before, I'm not saying you threw the fight, only that someone could look at it and shrug like "I dunno if I'd call that fatal." Although if your character, as an undead, had a compromised musculature around the neck, then that would definitely strengthen the case.. but since Slash's character would have no way of knowing that, it would still even out to a fairly neutral conclusion imo, as far as DQs go.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:55 pm
5567_No_Okami I don't know, I got hit with an attack that could send a grown man flying fifteen yards and still slam them into a wall and all that sent me straight down... I don't know if even a healthy person could survive that, then again, I don't know how far most people that get hit by a car fly >.> Depending on how the body was "struck" and how it "hit", that is quite survivable. But it all is dependent on circumstances. After all work places safety seems to be under the impression that any fall when your off the ground by 4 feet is considered lethal range. Considering if an attack is LETHAL is a challenge because death is up to a lot of variables. People have survived falls of buildings yet fall off a step stool and died.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:56 pm
Visionarium Ea The Wizard Visionarium Go to the roof of the hotel. I feel like doing something fun. Did that, now i'm bored! and standing in the cold! Sorry! I saw. I'll be on in a couple hours. Been planning something out. Dont plan to disappoint. !! Oh excellent!, Don't need to rush, just want to ensure you were very much aware biggrin
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:03 pm
My character had half a sword sticking out of his chest and got a sledgehammer to the face.
Actually I think it was originally aimed for the face but when push came to shove it hit the heart or something. I dunno. That was like 8 days ago. Ancient history now. Good fight though. Tres is a good opponent.
Undead are stupid to try and balance though. It's annoying. That's why I always stress that if I'm playing an undead you... can't kill me. I mean you can, but it's not going to count as a fatality, because my character is already dead. Also in the case of s**t like KB it's like... you pretty much have to go into a monopoly on fatal attack types just because he's going to shrug off anything that isn't designed to straight up destroy someone.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:06 pm
The spine/neck are pretty fickle. I got hit by a car and got up with little more than scratches and bruises.
But I can sneeze and twist in the wrong way and throw out my back for a week. Just like you can break your neck and you might die.. or you might be paralyzed. Or somehow you might be ******** fine.
The spine: you never really know what the ******** going to happen.
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