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 Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:47 pm
h X c it's a shuffle forward.
for the umpteenth time.
it's a shuffle forward.
i explained already that it's not a full pendulum's period, back and forth. just half a period, going forward. and i didn't do it extravagant so i was... whatever, in omi's face when i finished; i stopped short of reaching him and let him do his charge forward o' doom and broke his arm.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE ******** NOBODY UNDERSTANDS. BUT IT'S PRETTY DAMN STUPID THAT I HAVE TO KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
I WOULD SAY IT IN SPANISH, GREEK, CHINESE, AND SUMERIAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW THOSE LANGUAGES. WHATEVER THE CASE, ENGLISH IS NOT HELPING.
god ******** DAMN IT.
You say, you moved forward. To move, means your body covered distance. Yet, according to your post, -again-, you never moved from that initial spot. It's as though you weren't preparing for something in the post prior, yet mystically were in place to do so.. AFTER.
That, all my other points aside, is the biggest issue. Your character, post before mine, was 5 feet away. 5'. He's 5' away on your LAST post - and I don't care what step you took, be it Pendulum, Flash, or drunken sidestep- to take a step assumes motion. Your character -not only- screwed over everything my character was doing in a nonsensical matter, but then in your earlier posts here at OOC regarding this, you could be quoted as to basically saying that if my character attacks your's, he's getting his one good arm broken. No means of reprieve - it's happening.
In the last post Monseiru / h x c made, he was not only 5 feet away as he was to begin with despite having moved, but then siezed my arm PAST THE SWORD SPAN [meaning, apparently, he just smacked the blade that was actually thrusting more at his upper chest to limbs aside and in the same.. post, grabbed the wrist holding said blade, then snapped it - again, in that one lovely post.]
Summary: Guy said he moved. But his posts suggest otherwise. Guy uses amazing reach. Guy takes my character's one good arm out, and takes no damage from an attack that, initially, would have been difficult to motion out of had he been closing in as well [which.. he was.] Apparently, my character watches Lazenca's hand come for the wrist and starts whistling, then thinks happy thoughts while giving Lazenca an encouraging wink, for moving the arm horizontally is apparently impossible. And finally, that wrist is snapped. All in the matter of one post. That, entirely, contradicts his last post. 100%.
This too complicated for anyone, or can others see why I'm bitching? domokun
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:16 pm
i'm not gonna look back and all to see what i typed what seems like a month ago. i'm gonna say what i've been saying.
i did the pendulum at five feet away and closed distance. but i didn't close five feet of distance. but even i stayed still, i would have broken your arm. even if i rushed into you and planned on going ten feet, i would have broken your arm. ever since you got up from being smashed and i raised a brow at your resiliance, i knew that i wasn't going to dent you unless i broke your body down to the least common demoninator.
so i prepared myself to break your arm.
you gave me your arm.
i broke it.
yes, i am saying that there is no way around it. there is no way it would be avoided. there is nothing you can do to stop yourself and save the arm. you could have backed up, you could have tried to missle kick me, you could have superbeasted and threw flames at me. but i showed you a camoflauged bear trap and you stepped on it.
don't wanna get your body eaten by the trap, don't step on the trap.
your summary is correct. a tan sao block into a trap is fast... i've been beat with it. the blade hit the tan sao and when you were into me because of the superpower and momentum of your thrust, i trapped and broke your arm at the elbow, not wrist. you got elbowed in the nose on the way in because you ran into it. block-transition-attack.
oh, and then i threw you down in some kinda fake hip toss trip thing and i'm still holding onto the wrist past your broken arm.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:23 am
What you typed 'what seemed' like a month ago is all we had to go on, and none of that was particularly consistent like Omi pretty much just showed you. So how the hell is anyone meant to understand if you can't decide what you're actually doing?
But hey, at least you've finally cleared up what you actually did and Omi now has a clearer idea of what's going on. I don't have anything more to say, really, since I'm sure you two can argue between yourselves some sort of suitable out-come. Unless you get to another point of wanting to wait for a second opinion, and the Mod's don't show up.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:01 pm
I think, I've come to an outright understanding of what occurred.
 [ Monseiru]: You gotta understand, I don't mean any ill will against you - I've still enjoyed our match a lot, up until now. But I can't let this post just go; either you're to heavily modify or even completely rewrite the post due to the problems involved, or I will gladly continue to wait for.. ..Ehr.. whoever'll get to the topic. That's just how it is. =P
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:39 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:46 pm
You gotta admit, that is one hilarious comic.
All roleplay problems should be solved with comics. Let's make it a new rule. XD
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:47 pm
It'll be entervoid.com all over again. xD
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:12 pm
Quote: Some five feet from Omi, following him if he chose to move to the side to keep the opponent in front of him, both feet came together and the right was pushed forward, so it seemed to be some sort of lunging in... classic pendulum step, which usually led to kicks. The way his foot was hovering, it seemed as if Laz was about to stomp-kick Omi's shin. However, due to apparent injuries, the move could have been telegraphed too much, and any miss would have Laz land with authority with a foot between Omi's own, two feet away and rooted so that most counter-kicks or sweeps would fail to topple him... though they'd probably just hurt as much as any kick would.
it was telegraphed on purpose, horribly, but they're both "hurt" and "tired" and "on their last legs" so hey, who knows, maybe laz was being totally serious and is "so tired" that he's being sloppy and hoping that omi's just as sloppy and a hit will land.Quote: But it was performed five feet away. Lazenca never meant to hit Omi, just get him to move. It'd be great if the thing landed, but in no way, shape or form was Lazenca expecting it to land. Quote: Hands switched on the body so it was the back of the left now covering that side of his face, and the stomach was being nursed by the right hand.
change my post for what?
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:32 pm
h X c Quote: Some five feet from Omi, following him if he chose to move to the side to keep the opponent in front of him, both feet came together and the right was pushed forward, so it seemed to be some sort of lunging in... classic pendulum step, which usually led to kicks. The way his foot was hovering, it seemed as if Laz was about to stomp-kick Omi's shin. However, due to apparent injuries, the move could have been telegraphed too much, and any miss would have Laz land with authority with a foot between Omi's own, two feet away and rooted so that most counter-kicks or sweeps would fail to topple him... though they'd probably just hurt as much as any kick would.
it was telegraphed on purpose, horribly, but they're both "hurt" and "tired" and "on their last legs" so hey, who knows, maybe laz was being totally serious and is "so tired" that he's being sloppy and hoping that omi's just as sloppy and a hit will land.Quote: But it was performed five feet away. Lazenca never meant to hit Omi, just get him to move. It'd be great if the thing landed, but in no way, shape or form was Lazenca expecting it to land. Quote: Hands switched on the body so it was the back of the left now covering that side of his face, and the stomach was being nursed by the right hand.
change my post for what?
But, you don't seem to.. under.. stand. Pendulum Step. If you will, toss that aside for a moment - as that seems to be confusing you more than I, now. Your posts makes it so you never moved from that five-foot position upon which the Pendulum Step was taken from.
Had you closed the distance, even only 2 feet, the chances of your hand being able to ward off the blade, considering:
A. My arm's thrust,
B. The blade's own distance, which gives me a considerable reach advantage to you..
.. Is lessened something horrid. Yet, your last post basically made things so rather than a metaphorical telegraphed punch, you basically did a series of irrelevant movements that never actually occurred, because your character never left that spot in terms of distance, according to your own posts.
The closer one is, the harder it is to maneuver their arms about. You would think it'd prove the opposite - but the truth is, getting too close can almost create issues, the same as being too far. Angles. Trajectory. Shifting of an opponent's body to throw off your own movements - which is what my character did, if you'll read my post, prior to your whole "I'm still 5 feet away." deal, basically.
In short: My left half of me character's body was swung back with the thrust - before being swung forward like a ragdoll of sorts. Why? To shift your body up with what I heavily assumed would be counterstrike of sorts - and on that note, I was right. However, what I did not count on, and more importantly, what makes no sense - is that Lazenca Miranda was five feet away from my character in your 2nd to last post, and at the end of your last post, you are, whether by clerical error or what have you, five feet away. That's not a telegraphed motion. That is, "I never moved, even though I said I did in my post. Crap for you."
Furthermore, your post also assumes once I'm in your proximity, there's no way I can ward off your reach. But again: You realize to get to my elbow, you have to get past my body I [as I specified in my post] shifted against you for the sake of keeping you FORWARD, AND.. reach.. past.. the blade.. past.. my wrist.. past.. my forearm.. riight to my elbow.
You realize, my character didn't just jump forward blindly as you seem to be picturing it, I hope?
Insane reach issues. Moving, yet.. not moving, which no, isn't a feint - but in this case, is "I was doin' something! I was doin' it! [Post later.] NO I WASNNNN'T!". And complete disregard for the fact, my character MIGHT not just stand there when you manage to grip towards the elbow [even IF this situation managed to become valid, which frankly, I don't see it as-] - and may actually do a number of things to ruin your own means of, basically, taking out said arm.
You didn't get both hands on the elbow. You got one. Elbow. Easiest way to nullify what you did, would be motioning my arm towards your's and cooperating with your initial motion. Furthermore, the blade has a specified sword guard - normally for other means, but in this case, it could be wedged against Lazenca's mid arm and create a friction which would make a clean break very difficult to perform.
If you don't get what I mean - think that above paragraph over carefully. Then look at the comic, which while joking, made some good points.
I seriously hope you won't need to ask that question again. XD
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:39 pm
*is wondering if Omi is working on a GreenRobin comic right now*
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:42 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:35 pm
you said leave the pendulum step matter, but then you come right back to it. and then you throw in another conveniently remembered fact [sword guard]. oh, and you mention the distance and pendulum again.
...huh.
laz is blue. that should take care of the "how did you do a step 5 feet away and remain 5 feet away?" thing. foot lands, blade meets bracer. 5ft origin - 2ft end [if omi was standing still]= 3 ft travelled. the other two feet are closed by your thrusting "happily over [my] leg". that quoted thing lets me know that you fell into my trap. [insert twirling of handlebar mustache.]
if your left side's forward, you would have shouldered me first or something. which makes no sense if you're trying to skewer me, as you'd push me out the way. if left and right are square [left came up to square, rather than having the right thrown out there]... if the blade is tucked rather being stuck out, i don't see the problem with reaching in a foot or so and still doing what i wanted to do. grabbing the wrist would pull your right side to me, or at least open up a little so the break can happen. to say that you weren't coming to me and you don't think i can parry and get past the blade going past me is rediculous because you're coming at me "as if your life depended on it".
it's nice of you to suddenly remember the sword guard two-something weeks into the debate. if THAT was the issue, you could have said ic that the guard stretched over the elbow [at which point i would have pointed out that even guarded on the back, push/pull like i'm doing with the strength that i'm doing, something evil's going to happen with the arm anyway] and just taken the trip with no broken arm.
but since we're into revelation... laz isn't hurt. he was at zero at the aura tank, what with using everything he had on defense, but there was hardly any damage sent to him. all of his stumbling and coughing was forced and an act. it's like the football sneak done so well it fools even the refs. so maybe that'll explain why laz can still break limbs. you've caused no physical damage, other than scalding at the end of supermoves. he's done this before, so...
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:30 pm
Ok, this is my conclusion. If someone doesn't like it, they can forfeit. If the fight does not resume in 72 hours from the minute this is posted I'mma Time-DQ whoever has not posted, maybe even both.
Laz steps in, makes the grab, Omi fails to counter and is likely tripped but no damage is done to his arm.
gogogogogogo
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:52 pm
Despite not knowing a thing about what's going on, Deity finds Omi's comic to be hey-larious.
::biscuits Omi::
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:43 am
Tacitus Ok, this is my conclusion. If someone doesn't like it, they can forfeit. If the fight does not resume in 72 hours from the minute this is posted I'mma Time-DQ whoever has not posted, maybe even both. Laz steps in, makes the grab, Omi fails to counter and is likely tripped but no damage is done to his arm. gogogogogogo
[Shakes his head.]
[Monseiru]: No, I mentioned some other issues regarding distance. And it's not "conveniently remembered", that's been mentioned twice throughout the fight prior to this situation whilst the sword's description was first mentioned; I will not be held accountable for your lack of detail while reading my posts. domokun But, reason why I didn't stress it prior is because I, frankly, thought you even being close enough to perform the break, given the circumstances prior, was ridiculous.
You did not move any distance, according to your posts. While your image IS very shiny, I'll admit - it's rendered useless considering that as I've said for the 3,000th time - your character, much according to your post, didn't move. I enjoy how the stomp's just recently been made to've "moved 3 feet" now, thus - things are considerably different now, aren't they?
And I find it an issue in itself your character is lined with burns in his fur, has bled on several occasion, yet "isn't hurt" after all that occurred physically. I find that less an 'act' and more a very high level of bullshit-esque "well, NOW that your character's in the hurts, guess what? Guess what? Mine's not hurt. LOL!".
Back to,
[Tacticus]: I hate to do this - but while I enjoy your way of making this situation remedy itself IC, I can see other problems arising here. Namely that Lazenca has basically just explained away any relevant damage throughout the fight and has basically, ala DRAGON BALL Z, "gone zero on my ENERGY! I hope my body can take it.."
I'll continue, only because I'm given no other choice. However, I may as well forfeit, given how this match is now going to conclude. I won't win, at this rate. He's, OOC, insistent on breaking my character's one good arm, even if the means of doing so is completely absurd - and apparently, his character's AURA has gone down, but despite the situations occuring IC, no physical damage has been dealt. My I.. love that.
Any one attack I throw, will be miraculously [from an ever changing distance] warded away, regardless of angle, and my arm will be rendered useless in one [often impractical] means of grappling. His character's been putting on a show regarding having organs and limbs, lungs and blood, apparently - so all damage I've done up until now is null, in terms of actual bodily harm to his character. And his character, apparently, has infinite stamina and therefore has an excuse for not even running sluggish.
Yeah. Damn, why am I complaining, I've just been holding Barton up. I mean, yeeesh - who else would complain about this, I wonder?
Great. I can see how legit this match's continuously is, sorry for not posting SOONER TACITUS!Jesus Christ, I don't like'a me the bullshit. ;-;
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