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 Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:29 pm
kingpinsqeezels ZonkotheSane kingpinsqeezels nathan_ngl I just saw some pictures from my bris, and it gave me the chills... I mean... You look at this picture and you know there's this poor baby that was you a decade and a half ago... and he's about to get maimed crying . Haha. I always wondered why it was the 8th day after the baby was born though. At least, that's what my health teacher said when she embarassed the crap out of me. spiritually[removed]emoticon(' talk2hand '), the number 8 has a hell of alot of significance. practically, the body's ability to heal peaks at 8 days of age. huh...i didn't know that. go babies! Also it has been said that since the baby has more time with its mother that the claimed psychological effects of circumcision dont occur as they might if done right after birth. but I find it all a load of bull pooey. how can one tell the difference between the psychological effects caused by being pushed by a large, screaming voice through a tiny hole into a bright room and psychological effects caused by removing a piece of skin. talk2hand I dont buy into that anti-circ propaganda.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:34 pm
Donovinhs Knight Also it has been said that since the baby has more time with its mother that the claimed psychological effects of circumcision dont occur as they might if done right after birth. but I find it all a load of bull pooey. how can one tell the difference between the psychological effects caused by being pushed by a large, screaming voice through a tiny hole into a bright room and psychological effects caused by removing a piece of skin. talk2hand I dont buy into that anti-circ propaganda. I still have doubts over whether the baby really can remember anythiing like that. We really can't develop memories until we're toddlers, and those are mostly sensory memories, we can't cognitively examine them until we're older, at which point we censor and redefine those memories anyway. My biggest complaint about the anti-circumcision propaganda is common sense. Jews have been doing this for a very long time, and I don't really see any evidence that it does have detrimental effects on the boys later in life.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:38 pm
DarkHalcyon Donovinhs Knight Also it has been said that since the baby has more time with its mother that the claimed psychological effects of circumcision dont occur as they might if done right after birth. but I find it all a load of bull pooey. how can one tell the difference between the psychological effects caused by being pushed by a large, screaming voice through a tiny hole into a bright room and psychological effects caused by removing a piece of skin. talk2hand I dont buy into that anti-circ propaganda. I still have doubts over whether the baby really can remember anythiing lik[removed]emoticon(' xp ')e that. We really can't develop memories until we're toddlers, and those are mostly sensory memories, we can't cognitively examine them until we're older, at which point we censor and redefine those memories anyway. My biggest complaint about the anti-circumcision propaganda is common sense. Jews have been doing this for a very long time, and I don't really see any evidence that it does have detrimental effects on the boys later in life. Yeah. Millions of people have been doing it for thousands of years. They say ridiculous things like the child stops loving their mother afterwards and cant be close to her...thats a load of BS. There was like...major mamma's boys at my temple xp They also use scare tactics to try to justify their opinions.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:11 pm
People are stupid. It's just how it goes.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:51 pm
This thread has become mildly ammusing xd
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:16 pm
nathan_ngl This thread has become mildly ammusing xd Has become? it's always amusing!
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:18 pm
Made me lol Quote: CIRCUMCISION:A Slice of Lifeby Ken Mondschein My brother and father were making the rounds in synagogue one Rosh Hashanah, when my father introduced him to a little old man.
"Do you know who this is?" Dad asked.
"No," he said.
"You should," Dad replied.
"Why?" my brother asked suspiciously.
"He was your moyel."
The little old guy reached one quivering, shaking hand, but instead of clasping it, my brother gave it one look and ran screaming from the room.
Alas, my brother wasn't alone in his reaction. Sex writers from to Betty Dodson to The Guide to Getting It On have railed against the practice. Plastic surgeons offer gruesome foreskin-reconstruction procedures, Web sites such as the delightful SexuallyMutilatedChild.org present rotten.com-style galleries of babies with their innocent penii clamped in Clockwork Orange-looking devices, and even Israeli-born Dr. Ruth makes it conspicuous by its absence on her Web site. If the sheer volume of voices raised against the practice is any indication, circumcision is currently the great unvoiced political debate in America.
Of course, spin is everything. You can call circumcision a "useful medical procedure," you can call it "a testament of faith in God," or you can call it "an obscene mutilation." Contributing to the more hysterical reactions, I feel, is the normal working of the male ego. The truth is, when we're in the locker room together, we peek—and no one likes to feel that their equipment is somehow lacking when compared to the next guy's. The anti-circumcision camp's statistics on the miles of blood vessels and acres of nerve endings that frolic on the human foreskin like Smurfs in their mushroom houses doesn't help the situation any.
Now, we're not defending lopping off bits of flesh given to us by Mother Nature. Certainly, unless there's a pressing medical condition or a cultural mandate to snip, it's an unnecessary procedure. Circumcision of newborns first began in the late 1800s as an anti-masturbation measure, but in keeping with the Hippocratic Oath's injunction to "do no harm," the AMA has not recommended circumcision since 1971. Much like universal literacy, universal circumcision in America is becoming a thing of the past.
But what of all the teeming millions who have already been snipped? Are we to go through life feeling that our wangs are sub-par? Is this why American men are seen as lousy lovers, or why kinks such as S&M and a penchant for three-ways are so prevalent in the States, as an attempt to find an alternative eroticism?
I'm afraid to inform the anti-circumcision lobby, and our friends overseas, the truth is that if you never had one, you don't miss it. Our perceptions of the world are filtered through our brains, and sex is a learned response. Whereas critics may make ridiculous statements such as that circumcision makes the p***s 30% less sensitive, the truth is, if you never had a foreskin, then your experience of sex (and masturbation) is foreskin-less. As Yogi Berra once said about baseball, "half the game is 90% mental." It is impossible to quantify sexual pleasure, but there is no evidence that guys who are snipped, or their partners, enjoy sex less than the great unsnipped masses.
Or, as Dan Savage so eloquently replied to a reader, "When you claim that 'a man loses much of his capacity for sexual pleasure when he's cut,' all the cut guys out there reading your letter—guys like me and my boyfriend and most every guy we know, gay and straight—think, 'Hey, I'm cut, and I derive plenty of "sexual pleasure" from my c**k. These anti-circumcision crybabies are full of s**t.' And comparing male circumcision (the removal of the foreskin) to female genital mutilation (the removal of the clitoris) doesn't help, either. Removing the c**t is comparable to cutting off the head of the p***s, not the foreskin, and comparing the two procedures comes off as cheap, 'me too' victim mongering. A little less hysteria, a little less overstatement, and a lot less anti-Semitic rhetoric, and anti-cutting forces might change more people's minds."
Speaking of anti-Semitism, we also have to ask if Jewish (or Muslim) culture isn't more important than some supposed erotic ideal. After all, getting one's rocks off as the be-all and end-all of existence is a pretty recent idea, but circumcision and various other sorts of genital body modification have been practiced by cultures throughout the ages, from Native American cultures in Middle America piercing themselves with porcupine quills to Australian Aborigines cutting open their own urethras to gay porn stars' Prince Alberts. Obviously, being Jewish, I have to admit my own bias:. Every time I take a leak, there is a reminder that I belong to a millennia-old faith, fact that is a large part of my personal identity. (Of course, why it's OK to cut off part of my d**k, but my mom screams bloody murder about the idea of my getting a tattoo, still eludes me.)
It also begs the question: if we decide to pass some sort of law against circumcision, will Child Protective Services be breaking down the doors of mosques and synagogues, taking away children from their parents to give to unbelievers to raised by unbelievers? One might argue that the child's best interest trumps some tradition from the Dark Ages, but a counter-argument would be that this amounts to a politically correct pogrom that, in the hands of the religious right, could eliminate Judaism and Islam in America within a generation. (Never mind, of course, that Jesus was circumcised himself.)
As a final counter to the radical anti-circumcision camp, even if I potentially would have gotten more sensation if I hasn't been snipped, I'm glad that I can go long enough to, shall we say, fully satisfy my partner as many times as she wants me to. Whenever I read the polemics in which some guy rants about how circumcision destroys the capacity for male sexual pleasure, I think, "Who the hell wants to sleep with a guy who's so focused on his own d**k?" Sex is not just about putting your schlong somewhere soft and wet: What about going down on a girl, or using your fingers or toes, or long, sensual massages? What about all those people whose dicks don't work at all? Would you say they have no sex lives?
Face it: The real reason guys can't feel anything during sex isn't circumcision. It's those goddamn inch-thick Vulcanized American condoms.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:59 pm
*sigh* Wow. Removing the clitoral hood would be NOTHING like circumsizion for men. That's just plain retarded to compare those two things.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:03 pm
kingpinsqeezels *sigh* Wow. Removing the clitoral hood would be NOTHING like circumsizion for men. That's just plain retarded to compare those two things. O.o The author made that distinction.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:05 pm
Donovinhs Knight kingpinsqeezels *sigh* Wow. Removing the clitoral hood would be NOTHING like circumsizion for men. That's just plain retarded to compare those two things. O.o The author made that distinction. Yeah I know. I just thought I'd point that particular part out.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:06 pm
kingpinsqeezels Donovinhs Knight kingpinsqeezels *sigh* Wow. Removing the clitoral hood would be NOTHING like circumsizion for men. That's just plain retarded to compare those two things. O.o The author made that distinction. Yeah I know. I just thought I'd point that particular part out. Oh...ok. I wasnt sure exactly where you were coming from so I thought you were sighing and wowing at the thing I posted sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:12 pm
Donovinhs Knight kingpinsqeezels Donovinhs Knight kingpinsqeezels *sigh* Wow. Removing the clitoral hood would be NOTHING like circumsizion for men. That's just plain retarded to compare those two things. O.o The author made that distinction. Yeah I know. I just thought I'd point that particular part out. Oh...ok. I wasnt sure exactly where you were coming from so I thought you were sighing and wowing at the thing I posted sweatdrop I was sighing and wowing at everything that's said in the post. Like oh my god, people need to get a life! It's just a part of a p***s. Who cares if it's gone!
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:13 pm
kingpinsqeezels Donovinhs Knight kingpinsqeezels Donovinhs Knight kingpinsqeezels *sigh* Wow. Removing the clitoral hood would be NOTHING like circumsizion for men. That's just plain retarded to compare those two things. O.o The author made that distinction. Yeah I know. I just thought I'd point that particular part out. Oh...ok. I wasnt sure exactly where you were coming from so I thought you were sighing and wowing at the thing I posted sweatdrop I was sighing and wowing at everything that's said in the post. Like oh my god, people need to get a life! It's just a part of a p***s. Who cares if it's gone! everything that he says or everything which he is commenting on?
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:20 pm
okay; this thread is now classified to over 13 year olds xd
I really don't want some poor 9 year old walking in here and asking his/her parents about this... xp blaugh
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:24 pm
darkphoenix1247 okay; this thread is now classified to over 13 year olds xd I really don't want some poor 9 year old walking in here and asking his/her parents about this... xp blaugh Thats probably a good idea but then again...gaia is a Pg-13 site...so hopefully you wont get many under 13 yr olds ninja
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