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Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:26 pm
I actually really like Leo overall. I used to like him more when I was younger, but I'm still fond of him as a character.
As a unit, he's clearly the worst Archer of the three. And he's far from the top of good Dawn Brigade units, with company like Nolan, Volug, Jill, and Zihark.
BUT he has a lot of mitigating factors in his favor if you actually seriously use him.
For one, for the vast majority of the game, he isn't in the same group as the other Archers of the game so he's never directly competing with Shinon or Rolfe.
Another point in his favor is getting to use Crossbows upon promoting to Sniper. He can actually pull a LOT of weight in the Dawn Brigade with a Bowgun and the Beasfoe skill the Dawn Brigade can acquire. He'll essentially be instantly killing all Beast and Bird Laguz in two of the three Dawn Brigade chapters in Part 3. With a Bowgun.
Another really awesome point in his favor is his impossible-to-pronounce personal weapon, which is quite the saving grace. The Lughnasadh gives him a delicious +5 to the one stat that he desperately wants more of: Speed. Plus, if you're REALLY invested in using Leo but also want to use a more competent Marksman once all the groups come together, you can let Shinon take the Double Bow and Leo will still have his impresive Lughnasadh to fall back on. Even if you aren't really using Leo, the Lughnasadh lets him get away with potshots that do damage long after he probably shouldn't be able to.
Water Affinity is very solid as well. So he has a number of things going for him if you do bother to use him.
Unfortunately, that requires using him. And there isn't a TON of reason to do so. Nolan can also do the Bowgun+Beastfoe skill and he'll dodge much more effectively with a support partner (but just because Nolan can do it, that doesn't mean Leo shouldn't get credit for his ability to do it as well, it should be stressed). Plus he can be a royal pain in the a** to level up to second tier in Part 1. It's definitely doable, but there's no denying some babying and favoritism will be involved. And there will typically be someone who would better utilize his deployment slot in Part 1. And his growth distribution is ******** up. It's basically the second coming of Ronan. That Speed Growth is tragic. He's hungry for Speed Wings.
He requires work but all those sorta-selling points do try to reward you for your suffering. Although you could do much better, you could also do much, much worse.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:39 pm
Enter Leonardo: THE NEXT RONAN! Coming soon to a theater near you!
But in all seriousness, I actually don't have a whole lot to say about him much as a unit. I do still like his character though. Well considering I really haven't used him a whole lot in RD before... Once I reached part 3, Shinon and Rolf were all I needed in bowmen. It's possible to promote Leo by the end of part 1, but it takes a lot of patience for that... He does have potential to become a pretty decent marksman if you give him the chance though. He gets a free Legendary bow weapon just like FD mentioned. And it certainly is useful for him. That +5 in spd boost will help since spd is something that he does lack in.
Hp: 60 Str: 40 Magic:15 Skill:75 Spd:35 Luck:65 Def:35 Resistance: 55
His growth rates are actually fairly decent. I mean 75% in skill is exceptionally high. His other stats aren't too bad either. It just depends if you're actually willing to baby him until he becomes good.
Plus there's the fact that Nolan or Boyd could use bowguns and crossbows just like archers so yeah... Leonardo is pretty inferior compared to the others.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 7:39 am
Being the worst archer in Radiant Dawn is like being the worst artist in the art honors society. Leonardo might take longer to get to Marksman, but the fact that he can even get there is a huge point in his favor. He is most certainly not the next Ronan.
He's not as essential to the Dawn Brigade's survival as Nolan or Edward, but he certainly helps. If you can get him to class up, he's very worth it, especially if you have the promotion items to spare. He'll probably be replaced by Shinon and Rolf, especially Shinon, but he's got the potential. Personal weapons help too.
According to the Radiant Dawn developers notes (expect to hear me say that a lot when the Dawn Brigade is on the table, ahahah), Leonardo is the son of a nobleman whose house lost power when Daein was occupied by Begnion. His father and older brother died during the Mad King's War (isn't that an awesome name for PoR's conflict, man I love Ashnard) and his mother died soon after. He was sent to a military school, which was busted up by the Begnion Occupation army, and everyone was sent to prison camps except Leonardo who was the only one that escaped. The more street smart Edward saved him from his pursuers when he was cornered and they became best friends. They continue to run from the law until they are saved by Nolan and help form the Dawn Brigade.
Holy crap!
I get so sad whenever I read these notes. This is good stuff! Why couldn't we have more of this! I guess with what little characterization is there, I don't have a hard time seeing Leonardo as a nobleman's son. The base conversation that he and Edward share before 3-13 doesn't really hit on all of that backstory, but it hints that they know each other well by that point and are best buddies and all that.
LE SIGH
Also, LOO-nə-sə LOO-na-sah Lúnasa Lughnasadh
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 4:18 pm
I dunno... his Resistance growth IS higher than his Strength growth, just like Ronan's.
Of course, Leonardo is much better looking.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 5:15 pm
Indeed, 55% resistance growth on the surface is actually fairly good when you look at it. Though, in this case magic isn't the same as resistance unlike FE5 where it's both...(So much trolling in FE5) So in that sense, I guess he's not really so much the next Ronan... The bad joke I made earlier didn't really help much anyways...
Ya know, this may seem a little odd... But Leo for some reason always reminded me of Jeorge of shadow dragon, or Klein from FE6... It was probably the blonde hair... maybe...
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 4:20 pm
I've often found Leonardo's lower capability to be a critical asset when training the other members of the Dawn Brigade. I don't look to him for decisive killing power. Where he shines for me is in weakening the enemy enough that Edward or another fairly fragile frontline fighter can kill that target with a single hit. This keeps deadly but fragile characters like Edward, or even Aran early on, from being weakened at the start of the enemy's turn. Then again I might be using strategies that most would avoid. I tend to use all of my ranged attack specialised units first, then I move frontline and versatile characters up to protect them. An aggressive defense, if you will. It changes who shines and who is a burden.
I've never really been hindered by Leonardo but both Edward and Nolan have caused me extensive frustration.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 4:43 pm
ThePersonInFrontOfYou According to the Radiant Dawn developers notes (expect to hear me say that a lot when the Dawn Brigade is on the table, ahahah), Leonardo is the son of a nobleman whose house lost power when Daein was occupied by Begnion. His father and older brother died during the Mad King's War (isn't that an awesome name for PoR's conflict, man I love Ashnard) and his mother died soon after. He was sent to a military school, which was busted up by the Begnion Occupation army, and everyone was sent to prison camps except Leonardo who was the only one that escaped. The more street smart Edward saved him from his pursuers when he was cornered and they became best friends. They continue to run from the law until they are saved by Nolan and help form the Dawn Brigade. I know! It felt like the entire Dawn Brigade was wasted as characters. It made me so mad. Writing for RD was really poop. Haeo I've never really been hindered by Leonardo but both Edward and Nolan have caused me extensive frustration. Eddie is really fragile and Nolan's accuracy rate leaves something to be desired, especially early game. It's the reason why I avoided using characters like him and Boyd even though they're supposed to be pretty strong because the dice roll was never quite on my side when it came to those kinds of characters. I love them in FE:A as supports though. But Eddie becomes Dawn Brigade's version of Jesus when promoted. Well, Jesus in the sense that he's not Zihark who is Jesus+ of he Dawn Brigade. I heard Aran is pretty good when promoted too, but I couldn't quite make him work and I wanted to use Nephrenee whenever I got her back so there was a lot less appeal for me to use him. Still. I have pretty fond memories of Edward soloing entire maps for me once I babied him to promotion. And even with the limited amount of Dawn Brigade chapters, end game he was number one in kills by a long shot.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:40 pm
AKB0048 ThePersonInFrontOfYou According to the Radiant Dawn developers notes (expect to hear me say that a lot when the Dawn Brigade is on the table, ahahah), Leonardo is the son of a nobleman whose house lost power when Daein was occupied by Begnion. His father and older brother died during the Mad King's War (isn't that an awesome name for PoR's conflict, man I love Ashnard) and his mother died soon after. He was sent to a military school, which was busted up by the Begnion Occupation army, and everyone was sent to prison camps except Leonardo who was the only one that escaped. The more street smart Edward saved him from his pursuers when he was cornered and they became best friends. They continue to run from the law until they are saved by Nolan and help form the Dawn Brigade. I know! It felt like the entire Dawn Brigade was wasted as characters. It made me so mad. Writing for RD was really poop. Haeo I've never really been hindered by Leonardo but both Edward and Nolan have caused me extensive frustration. Eddie is really fragile and Nolan's accuracy rate leaves something to be desired, especially early game. It's the reason why I avoided using characters like him and Boyd even though they're supposed to be pretty strong because the dice roll was never quite on my side when it came to those kinds of characters. I love them in FE:A as supports though. But Eddie becomes Dawn Brigade's version of Jesus when promoted. Well, Jesus in the sense that he's not Zihark who is Jesus+ of he Dawn Brigade. I heard Aran is pretty good when promoted too, but I couldn't quite make him work and I wanted to use Nephrenee whenever I got her back so there was a lot less appeal for me to use him. Still. I have pretty fond memories of Edward soloing entire maps for me once I babied him to promotion. And even with the limited amount of Dawn Brigade chapters, end game he was number one in kills by a long shot. I'm pretty sure just about everyone here agrees that the writing for RD was pretty bad, and really inconsistent and blah blah blah.... But the entire Dawn Brigade members wasted? Say what you want about RD and its writing, but the Dawn Brigade was probably one of the best things about the game. Though, that's just my personal opinion on that matter. Feel free to disagree with me. But hey, I personally liked the whole idea of the dawn brigade. And sure, I thought they were fairly likable characters. Hence the reason why part I and II of RD are my favorite parts of the game. Especially Part II in particular. As for Edward and Nolan. Now, I can totally understand why someone wouldn't like Edward. I'm not a huge fan of Edward, but he's not a bad unit at all if you plan on using him, Though, expect him to take axes to the face much more often on the harder modes. I like Zihark more mostly for the fact that he's instantly usable the moment you get him. Plus, that glorious Earth Affinity~ BUT Nolan?? eek This is the same Nolan we're talking about right? The awesome leader of the Dawn Brigade. He's one of the best axe users in the game hands down. Not many FE fans I know are fans of the fighter class, but Nolan is a fantastic unit. He starts out great and turns out great. Though, this isn't Nolan week. So I'll save it till then. xp
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 10:16 pm
Ninja Ryu11 AKB0048 ThePersonInFrontOfYou According to the Radiant Dawn developers notes (expect to hear me say that a lot when the Dawn Brigade is on the table, ahahah), Leonardo is the son of a nobleman whose house lost power when Daein was occupied by Begnion. His father and older brother died during the Mad King's War (isn't that an awesome name for PoR's conflict, man I love Ashnard) and his mother died soon after. He was sent to a military school, which was busted up by the Begnion Occupation army, and everyone was sent to prison camps except Leonardo who was the only one that escaped. The more street smart Edward saved him from his pursuers when he was cornered and they became best friends. They continue to run from the law until they are saved by Nolan and help form the Dawn Brigade. I know! It felt like the entire Dawn Brigade was wasted as characters. It made me so mad. Writing for RD was really poop. Haeo I've never really been hindered by Leonardo but both Edward and Nolan have caused me extensive frustration. Eddie is really fragile and Nolan's accuracy rate leaves something to be desired, especially early game. It's the reason why I avoided using characters like him and Boyd even though they're supposed to be pretty strong because the dice roll was never quite on my side when it came to those kinds of characters. I love them in FE:A as supports though. But Eddie becomes Dawn Brigade's version of Jesus when promoted. Well, Jesus in the sense that he's not Zihark who is Jesus+ of he Dawn Brigade. I heard Aran is pretty good when promoted too, but I couldn't quite make him work and I wanted to use Nephrenee whenever I got her back so there was a lot less appeal for me to use him. Still. I have pretty fond memories of Edward soloing entire maps for me once I babied him to promotion. And even with the limited amount of Dawn Brigade chapters, end game he was number one in kills by a long shot. I'm pretty sure just about everyone here agrees that the writing for RD was pretty bad, and really inconsistent and blah blah blah.... But the entire Dawn Brigade members wasted? Say what you want about RD and its writing, but the Dawn Brigade was probably one of the best things about the game. Though, that's just my personal opinion on that matter. Feel free to disagree with me. But hey, I personally liked the whole idea of the dawn brigade. And sure, I thought they were fairly likable characters. Hence the reason why part I and II of RD are my favorite parts of the game. Especially Part II in particular. As for Edward and Nolan. Now, I can totally understand why someone wouldn't like Edward. I'm not a huge fan of Edward, but he's not a bad unit at all if you plan on using him, Though, expect him to take axes to the face much more often on the harder modes. I like Zihark more mostly for the fact that he's instantly usable the moment you get him. Plus, that glorious Earth Affinity~ BUT Nolan?? eek This is the same Nolan we're talking about right? The awesome leader of the Dawn Brigade. He's one of the best axe users in the game hands down. Not many FE fans I know are fans of the fighter class, but Nolan is a fantastic unit. He starts out great and turns out great. Though, this isn't Nolan week. So I'll save it till then. xp The same Nolan who gains almost nothing from kills for the first third of the game, just like Zihark and Sothe? My focus is getting everyone I can to final promotion or lvl 30 in the case of laguz. Focusing on gaining as much experience as possible and remembering to be patient has allowed me to bring Aran, Meg, Leonardo, Vika, Tormod, Fiona and anyone else I'd like into the tower. In the particular case of Leonardo, I have had him as well as the other two archers in the tower together. Also, my favorite frontline pair is Nephenee and Aran side by side. Wishblade and a custom Silver lance. Leonardo with a blessed Lughnasadh can stand alongside Shinon with the DoubleBow and Rolf with a Silencer.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 10:55 pm
Uhhhh.... isn't Nolan considered, like one of the best? He doesn't start high like Sothe or Zihark, just level 9. He still gets plenty from his kills and is one of the easiest to promote by part 1 endgame... I always focus on Nolan, Edward and Aran, personally. And while focusing on Meg, Vika, Tormod and Fiona is all fine if that's what you want to do and that's who you like, its not really the best use of your experience.
Anyway, LEONARDO WEEK.
I think it was FD who said this; his greatest asset is that he's not in the same group as the other archers until part 4. He does his thang for the DB and that's cool. I'll use him when I have him. His bow is pretty great.
Love the brotherhood between he and Edward, but I wish the game gave us more.
I LOVE his design.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 10:35 am
Nolan IS often considered the best fighter in the series. The only person sometimes competing for that title is Othin from FE5 (and I'm sure some might argue FE9 Boyd an Barst after them). He's a tier-one unit when you get him and levels up a LOT faster than Zihark and Sothe. I usually focus on Zihark/Nolan/Jill/Volug, personally, but I DO love seeing how everyone has a different preferred 'crew' to use for the Dawn Brigade.
Buuuuuut... he's the next FE10 unit to be covered. So when we've completed a rotation of the games and return to FE10, we'll totally get into it instead of right now, yes? Cool. LOVE him though, as do many of us. Anyone who doesn't, I'm very interested to seeing why not and creating a dialogue at that time.
Anyway, thanks so much to everyone that participated in Leonardo Week! Seems there are a variety of levels of estimation of him and some good discussion got going. Loving it.
And as a new week upon us, it is another character's chance to shine. It's Oscar Week! Best older brother ever, right? As is the case for all units who are in multiple games, it's only going to be this character's week once, so you are free to discuss all games they're in.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 6:57 am
Let me quickly add that it's always great to see new blood in here. Welcome to the fold, Haeo and AKB! Especially in Path of Radiance, Oscar is quite the fighter. He's great in Radiant Dawn too, but in Path of Radiance I think his availability and supports really shine. I think I mentioned it in the old thread but for some reason he tends to be lacking in strength for me. It shouldn't be a problem, and it's never enough for me to stop using him in each respective Path of Radiance playthrough, but it's sort of annoying. Especially since Oscar's strength growth is 45, which is the same as Titania's. Even though he obviously lacks Titania's base strength, he can surpass her in the strength category if he gets all his levels and average stats. Though again that's not to say that either of their strength stats are bad at all. Cavaliers in the Tellius games are pretty great all together. Paladins in Path of Radiance are prime candidates for one of the game's four occult scrolls, since Sol is great and they should feel great. We know that the earth affinity is great. But how great is it that Oscar has an earth affinity and can be supported by two other characters that also have an earth affinity, those being Ike and Tanith? I can imagine those three all together are quite the boon during Japanese maniac mode, which I still wish made it into the English version of Path of Radiance. I'd be playing the game much more often nowadays if that were the case. Oscar's a pretty mellow guy. He doesn't often deviate from his closed-eye mirth, and he's the responsible older brother of the green-haired siblings. His sense of duty to his family nets him definite props. He dropped out of the Crimean Royal Knights so that he could take care of his brothers when their father died. And even then they lived a hard life until Greil took the three of them into the mercenary company. But when it comes to the deadbeat mom, we can see that Oscar and Boyd still harbor hard feelings. I'm really happy that Radiant Dawn had the boys run into Rolf's mom. As lacking as that game was in character development for many characters, I think the addition of this conversation is great. I like that it isn't explicitly pointed out, and that you can unlock it through happenstance if you don't know to visit the house in question with one of the three brothers. Upon the woman recognizing Oscar, he quickly denies that she knows him, ends the conversation, and leaves. In the base conversation that results from the interaction, Boyd is the one that yells at her as Boyd is want to do, but Oscar isn't free from resentment. Quote: Oscar: ...Just...wait here. I'll go get Rolf. Boyd: Oscar?! Woman: Oscar! Thank you! Oscar: Don't get the wrong idea. I haven't suddenly forgiven you. Woman: Then why...? Oscar: Because you are still Rolf's mother. Nothing in the world will change that. We'll leave it up to Rolf to decide. He is mature enough to allow the interaction to happen, but he doesn't forgive her for what she did. Don't let anyone think Oscar is incapable of being hurt, though. He was the parental figure of the brothers and struggled as such to keep the family afloat. He was the one who shouldered that responsibility. Man's apparently a pretty great cook too.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 10:09 pm
Oscar supports Tanith in FE9. Tanith is awesome. Oscar is awesome by proxy.
So I've played FE10 much more than FE9, but Oscar really is better in FE9. Paladins are arguably THE best class in that game between Canto and their self-sustaining master skill taht completely justifies the occult scroll (actually, it's harder to justify it for anything else - it's the de facto class for it), he has near perfect availability, he can choose his secondary weapon, and has an amazing affinity with good support options.
I'm personally fond of the support-square Oscar-Tanith-Marcia-Kieran in FE9: all mounted very good units. Alternatively you can do the all-Earth affinity thing. His strength isn't amazing, but when you really need him to push through something, a forge is well worth the investment for giving him the extra oomph, I think.
FE10, he's still very good and worth using if only just for the Greil Merc chapters because he more than carries his weight and is a fantastic support partner. He's more hindered by caps in FE10 though towards the final leg of the game, though, unfortunately (not to the point that he can't be used, though, of course - just irritatingly too slow to double various things because of his damnable speed cap which he WILL hit). They really went out of their way to balance cavarly better after they basically crushed FE9.
As a character, how can you not love Oscar for being such a self-sacrificing, hard working big brother and even a parental figure to his siblings? He gave up knighthood and a very reliable job to take care of them. And the supports the brothers have with Rolf's deadbeat mom is just beautiful - and in FE10 - the game we love to hate for lack of characterization! He was lucky to have the mercs support his whole family and they're lucky to have him. It's all swell.
He needs to save Tanith from killing herself with her cooking.
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 1:08 am
Back when we had the character analysis thread, I'm fairly certain Oscar was first unit I joined in to talk about. (Not to mention a little embarrassment I made at the time in thinking that Rolf's mother was all the three brother's mother when that in fact isn't the case at all... sweatdrop ) But still, I do really like Oscar as a character(despite his expression which kind of creeped me out at first) and he's certainly a great unit in FE9. I used him and Titania consecutively my first time playing PoR. Though, I do feel that he's better in FE9 for his excellent early availability and not having to be screwed over by FE10's structure and the way it's set up there.
But still even in FE10 maybe he's not as great as before, but he's certainly usable. Paladins are just fantastic all around in FE9. Having the canto ability and being able to learn Sol once given an occult scroll. That skill is very good on them in that game.
I'm a pretty big fan of the Tanith and Kieran supports. I just love the rivalry between those two. Kieran being as fiery brash lovable oaf that he is, and while Oscar doesn't really see him as a rival. It just leads to great moments.
Oscar is the dedicated and the reliable one. He was not only discharged from the military, but he has brothers to take care of all by himself at a young age. Oscar is often a character I've always come to respect because having to take on so much responsibility is NO easy task at all. But he does hang in there and eventually both he and his brothers are taken in by Greil and in return to serve the Greil mercernaries.
He's also great cook and even tries to help Tanith out with teaching her how to cook in their supports.(Even though she's not exactly great at it. xD) He also shares a few sentimental moments with Ike. I really liked the line when he says that he didn't just shove the food in his mouth, but he enjoyed oscar's cooking.
FE10 didn't give the Greil mercenaries or Oscar enough screen time, and that's definitely a bit disappointing. But I do really find that scene with Rolf's mother coming to see Rolf. It's rather nice that they did at least add that moment here. Even though she abandoned Rolf, no matter what kind of person she was, Oscar ends up being the mature one in the situation here.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:55 am
As always, thank you for posting!
It's now Franz week.
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