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 Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:15 am
Like you oODeliriumOo, I was raised a Catholic, but over the last couple of years, I've realised that after all that people do to look up to their god and earn a reward from them, they don't end up getting much in return. If god loved them all like they said he does, why would he test them tothe point of breaking them just to see if they truly were faithful to him? This is why I've moved away from Catholocism over the past couple of years. I couldn't stand it. I didn't believe it.
I am a solitary witch, not exactly Wiccan, but not anything else either really. I worship the earth and her partner, as well as their children.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:38 pm
Tulak Hord Where to begin? To start, much of his material is Margaret Murray and Doreen Valiente, to name a couple. (ideas about the Burning Times, Witch Cults surviving through the ages, etc. Much of the poetry is Valiente, like the Wiccan Rede, for example). The Triple Goddess came from Oxford University students. The Great Rite is older than dirt. The athame and chalice are equally old. The "Harm None" is sort of based on old Greek philosophy (don't quote me on that). A lot of philosophical ideas come from old British texts (I know they're there, but I can't think of any good, specific examples with names of manuscripts). The coven of 13 is one of Margaret Murray's ideas. (the New Forest Coven may have been one of hers) The problem is that much of what wasn't his wasn't published, and thus we may never know exactly how much he stole. A lot of Wicca was his though, such as calling the Quarters to guard the circle (guardians of the Circle are older concepts, but the Elements being these concepts is, I think, original). Blah. I think I'll come back and edit this later, or maybe just post about it later. Right now I'm sick and I'm staring at it and it's making no sense to me. xd I'm thinking "I know that name, who is it!!!!" and nothing's clicking. I can't think of anything to do with Wicca for some reason, so excuse me for now. Tulak Hord Whoever suggests that the Bible is less violent than (anything else) has not read it. "You ate my apple. I'm going to curse you with painful childbirth, death, and the same to all of your descendants." "You don't believe what I do, so I'm going to kill you and your family." "You disobeyed the least significant command of God. You're going to burn in Hell for all eternity." "You did what God told you to do. Now you're going to Hell because he also told you not to." (Paraphrasing the Bible) Therein lies the problem with religious texts. How do you interpret them? How to you translate a word that has no equivalent in your language? What if a word has a double meaning? What if someone who is transcribing it makes a mistake? i think you are saying that no one can give you examples of you they are different. Read the Old Testament. Then read an English translation of the Torah. An almost greater challenge would be to find similarity. I didn't say that the bible is less violent.. I was actually talking about some show I was watching, how they were talking about how people think the quran is so violent due to the suicide bombers, and how much more violent the bible can be. And how it all depends on how you view it. How some people take the "kill these people" more literally than others.
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:03 pm
iKillCaustic--uKillMe Like you oODeliriumOo, I was raised a Catholic, but over the last couple of years, I've realised that after all that people do to look up to their god and earn a reward from them, they don't end up getting much in return. If god loved them all like they said he does, why would he test them tothe point of breaking them just to see if they truly were faithful to him? This is why I've moved away from Catholocism over the past couple of years. I couldn't stand it. I didn't believe it. I am a solitary witch, not exactly Wiccan, but not anything else either really. I worship the earth and her partner, as well as their children. Please, call me Del 4laugh I strayed away from the bible because it was so hard for me to comprehend. Perhaps I'm just dense, but the idea of constantly, violently testing someone just to prove that they love you in return is flawed. I compare it to my son and I. It is only my duty to love him and protect him from harm. I do not expect anything in return. But what comes from constantly giving of yourself, just to make sure that the one that you love is safe, is the satisfaction that they are well and happy. That should be enough satisfaction for any God. heart
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:26 am
I agree with that. Why would one's God violently test them, when violence between his followers was against his laws?
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:21 pm
didn't we have a christian of some sort join this guild recently? we should invite him in here and ask him about it. it'd be interesting to hear this argument from his point of view.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:01 am
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Dsay Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:13 pm
Rizu-Sensei didn't we have a christian of some sort join this guild recently? we should invite him in here and ask him about it. it'd be interesting to hear this argument from his point of view.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:29 am
What's this? I shall come up with a counter-argument or something after I've read what's going on...
Edit: I thought of something funny. I should've wrote, "Somebody call for a christian?".
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Dsay Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:37 am
TyllMarvel What's this? I shall come up with a counter-argument or something after I've read what's going on... Edit: I thought of something funny. I should've wrote, "Somebody call for a christian?".
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:46 am
Thanks, but I'm having a little difficulty understanding what the point is which I am attempting to explain/argue. So far I've come up with a few questions for me to answer to the best of my ability:
1.) Why are there so many sects of Christianity?
2.) Why does it seem like we are tested violently?
3.) Why do we love a god that treats us so?
4.) Why are most Christians hypocrites?
Does this sound about right? With all this discussion maybe I should create an "Ask a Christian" thread for all of you who are curious about my beliefs.
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Dsay Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:00 am
TyllMarvel Thanks, but I'm having a little difficulty understanding what the point is which I am attempting to explain/argue. So far I've come up with a few questions for me to answer to the best of my ability: 1.) Why are there so many sects of Christianity? 2.) Why does it seem like we are tested violently? 3.) Why do we love a god that treats us so? 4.) Why are most Christians hypocrites? Does this sound about right? With all this discussion maybe I should create an "Ask a Christian" thread for all of you who are curious about my beliefs.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:05 am
yeah, if you want to make it, go for it. Just avoid the main thread's page, it's crowded as it is.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:09 am
Sweet. I'll just put it over in the member created forums.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:14 pm
thanks, tyll. we'll try to not let anyone go after you.
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:27 am
Thank you. Otherwise, don't let me hold up the discussion.
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