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 Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:04 pm
20 Shades of Crazy LadyInWhite 20 Shades of Crazy http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=34336 :'D Ah, fundies. Holy flying spaghetti monster!!!!!! There was soo much wrong in that post. It's... it's... gee I'm glad other people commented. domokun "If she was in fact raped, she must play the hand that was dealt to her, accept it as God's Will, and raise the interracial baby as her own." She implied that any child of rape is interracial. It made me lol. :'D Yeah at first I was digusted at the stupidity but that part made me crack up.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:38 pm
Ah, FSTDT. Always there to show you the worst that humanity has to offer--but then with comments to show you that at least you're not the only sane one. heart Being able to get into Public Admin (FSTDT Forum member with 25+ posts.) is also cool, because it's like a behind the scenes look at things pending approval: Quote: [So I assume that is a 'yes' for jail for women that take the morning after pill.] Yep. [What about rape victims who become pregnant. Must they be forced to give birth?] Yes - the child should not be punished. But if you want to execute the rapist, I have no objection. From "CraigS" at Craig's Blog. Oh, there's another unrelated one in public admin from a real-live judge in Alabama! From ReligiousTolerance.org quotes:Not A Lifer Quote, But Still... "...the homosexual conduct of a parent -- conduct involving a sexual relationship between two persons of the same gender -- creates a strong presumption of unfitness that alone is sufficient justification for denying that parent custody of his or her own children or prohibiting the adoption of the children of others.... Homosexual conduct is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated. Such conduct violates both the criminal and civil laws of this State and is destructive to a basic building block of society -- the family....It is an inherent evil against which children must be protected." I like some of the gay-friendly quotes they have there, though. Especially the Nelson Mandela one.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:00 pm
This is from some random commentor on Jill Staneks blog. (Jill Stanek is a anti-choice nutcase) Quote: You reallly don't get the gist of the site do you TR. Not one takes joy in the prospect of women being hurt. And yes we do care about the babies. If anything PLers have always been more concerned about women's health than the PCers side.Where has your side been when abortions mills are closed down for state health violations for not having proper medical staff on hand, not having running water, having blood soaked exam room floors, blood caked on exam tables, unlicensed quack performing abortions. All of the above situations outed by PL watch groups. Where has your side been when women cry for help because the regret their abortion and need emotional help? (you won't even acknowledge this happens) Where has your side been on statutory rape when adolecent girls are hauled to the abortion clinic by thier fathers, cousins, or 22 year old boyfriends to seek abortions? (your side covers it up by performing the abortion and sending the girl right back in to the perpetrator) Where has your side been on the deaths of women seeking legal abortion and die needlessly at the hands of unqualified quacks? (your side calls 911 and tells the ambulance to leave the lights and sirens off, or sends the girl to a hotel room to die) Where has your side been when abortionists are caught performing illegal abortions on viable babies. (your side denies this ever happens) Where is your side when women suffer infertility or premature births due to past abortive procedures? (your side denies this ever happens) Where has your side been when women have reported sexual abuse by the abortionist? (Nowhere) You personally have just again proven the fact that you don't care about women. Instead of being concerned that this company is producing and selling a drug that could be tainted and potentially harm or kill women, you again shout foul at the pro-life side for bringing it to your attention. Jill Staneks blog commentors are a great place to find anti-choice retardedness. Go have a look sometime. EDIT: If anyone wants to compile an answer to that comment you dont need to register to comment.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:34 pm
Yet another post from the abstinence or abortion thread: ralikat RoseRose ralikat Actually, you can't "remove" cancer. You can remove or kill parts of your body in hopes of getting rid of the cancer. That wasn't the point, however. The point was to say that nature doesn't ask - it just does. And another thing, you can't equate removing cancer to removing a fetus. Cancer is not a seperate entity, it is a mutation of your own cells. But, sperate from that, it's sad that you have such an abhorance to the idea of an unborn child "using" you. I hope you never choose to become a mother or you may feel that the baby has no right to "use" your breasts or ability to get it food. The nature of an infant inside the body and out is actually the same, 100% dependence on something else. Wow. Thanks for making a judgement on my ability to become a mother. I actually don't have that much abhorrence for a fetus "using" me when I have the ability to care for it properly. I work at a childcare! Ask anyone who knows me IRL and they'll tell you I love kids. I just love kids enough to only have one when I can support it. I don't want to send a child to someone I don't know can care for it. THAT, to me, is irresponsible. What is irresponsible is the ideas with which you think it is okay to have sex. Married or not.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:07 pm
Our favorite pro-life low-life has made a new thread that shows just how black-and-white his thinking is: " Abortion Or Abstinence?" The link contains this ******** post from ralikat. Quote: I don't criminalize sex. In fact, it's wonderful. My husband and I enjoy it quite often. But everyone on this thread who wants to have sex and not babies keeps tauting the "there is more to sex than just having babies" mantra. Which I agree with. However, if you believe purely in science - which is the other big idea everyone here has been tauting - then an emotional reason is both irrational and petty, while a spiritual reason does not exist. Therefore, tell me what else is the true purpose of sex? But don't get me wrong. I do believe there is more to sex. Yet, I also believe that sex is for making babies and to think you can have sex and be unwilling to accept having babies is, in fact, quite childish.And before I get pounced again with the moral/religion confusion (which I just refuted above): I don't care who wants to have sex, with whom they want to have it, and how often they go about it. But to have sex and not accept its natural consequence is foolishness. Consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. Of course, there are ways to try and avoid the pregancy occuring. As for myself, my husband and I had a vasectomy in order to try to avoid it. However, if the protection fails and pregnancy occurs, then it's time to suck it up. You can't lose the lottery and get your money back. You lose and its too bad because you tried not to, but then you make the best of it. You don't bomb the lottery. I will say it again, and no I am not being facitious (despite apparent popular belief), abortion should be like it used to be. Babies smothered in dirt. ...Words fail.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:31 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy Our favorite pro-life low-life has made a new thread that shows just how black-and-white his thinking is: " Abortion Or Abstinence?" The link contains this ******** post from ralikat. Quote: I don't criminalize sex. In fact, it's wonderful. My husband and I enjoy it quite often. But everyone on this thread who wants to have sex and not babies keeps tauting the "there is more to sex than just having babies" mantra. Which I agree with. However, if you believe purely in science - which is the other big idea everyone here has been tauting - then an emotional reason is both irrational and petty, while a spiritual reason does not exist. Therefore, tell me what else is the true purpose of sex? But don't get me wrong. I do believe there is more to sex. Yet, I also believe that sex is for making babies and to think you can have sex and be unwilling to accept having babies is, in fact, quite childish.And before I get pounced again with the moral/religion confusion (which I just refuted above): I don't care who wants to have sex, with whom they want to have it, and how often they go about it. But to have sex and not accept its natural consequence is foolishness. Consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. Of course, there are ways to try and avoid the pregancy occuring. As for myself, my husband and I had a vasectomy in order to try to avoid it. However, if the protection fails and pregnancy occurs, then it's time to suck it up. You can't lose the lottery and get your money back. You lose and its too bad because you tried not to, but then you make the best of it. You don't bomb the lottery. I will say it again, and no I am not being facitious (despite apparent popular belief), abortion should be like it used to be. Babies smothered in dirt. ...Words fail. I noticed that she contradicted herself. If you look in the post I made, then you will see her saying sex is "not o.k.". She then says that she loves to have sex, and she doesn't criminalize it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:32 pm
If it's not too late, call her on it! I think she left, though...
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:59 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy If it's not too late, call her on it! I think she left, though... She is still on! I'll call her on it! Edit: looks like you got to her before I did. I wish you luck. She seems to be a heartless brick wall.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:14 am
has anyone else noticed the increasing personal jabs from several of the lifers? i've been dealing with several particularly rabid ones as of late. their attacks dont hurt me in the least, as i'm happy with my decision and see them as the wackjobs that they are, but their methods i find disturbing.
To explain - 4 weeks ago i took a pregnancy test after my period was late combined with alot of nausea and breast tenderness. needless to say it was positive despite my best efforts to avoid pregnancy. i talked to my boyfriend of 3 years about it, and he was supportive in my decision to end the pregnancy - i had an appointment for a medical abortion last week. i had some spotting and cramping between the test and my appointment, but it wasnt enough for me to feel concerned over. I was apprehensive and it was a stressful situation, but I knew it was the best choice for me and my boyfriend. We may have kids in the future, but not now, which i admit did make it a little tougher, but i felt fine with it.
When I went in for my appointment it was all pretty routine until the blood test - it came back negative, much to my shock. They did an ultrasound to double check, and the doctor confirmed that I was most likely in the process of miscarrying, explaining the cramping and bleeding. I was referred to my regular ob/gyn from there. The period I had in the following days was one of the most painful I have ever experienced, physically but other than that everything has been fine. I'm honestly pretty amazed at my bodies ability to handle the situation on its own.
I freely shared my story on the abortion debate thread, as i feel it is important to dispel the myths that every woman who gets an abortion is promiscuous, isnt using protection, forced into it by men in their lives, irresponsible, too young, uninformed, etc. I expected some backlash, but some of the s**t I've had to deal with since posting my story is absolutely disgusting.
One of the pro lifers have taken to referring to me in debate as "mommy". Two in particular have taken it upon themselves to mention my abortion/pregnancy/miscarriage in completely unrelated threads, stalking me around the site and replying to entirely different discussions in other forums with "so how was your abortion, phrynia? everything you hoped for? smile "
I recieved a random PM the other day saying that "god took your baby so you couldnt murder it, he'll probably take the ones you want too.". rolleyes
I've been reporting all of this s**t, but its seriously pathetic. Do people really feel their arguements are so weak that they have to resort to this sort of immature behavior?
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:15 pm
I've been told I'd be a terrible mother for wanting to abort, and that I'm heartless and unfeeling... basically because I don't want a child now, I'll resent whatever ones I'd have. Sheesh... I don't debate much, so I'm not used to this!
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:57 pm
The sad thing, Phrynia, is that in comparison to what I've seen lifers do, this seems about normal for them.
When they find a woman that's had an abortion in an online debate, many of them will attack her. They try to make her feel guilty, they insult her, and they harrass her. I remember a few years ago someone on a pro-choice myspace group said she'd gotten a PM from someone asking "How's your dead baby?"
I think it's either a common tactic that they try to use, or that they all just have random outbursts. Either way, I take this behavior as a sign that these people genuinely do not care about women. (Unless, of course, they can use their grief as a political tool.) The smarter, more self-controlled lifers won't do it, but it seems like the majority of them will.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:32 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy The sad thing, Phrynia, is that in comparison to what I've seen lifers do, this seems about normal for them. When they find a woman that's had an abortion in an online debate, many of them will attack her. They try to make her feel guilty, they insult her, and they harrass her. I remember a few years ago someone on a pro-choice myspace group said she'd gotten a PM from someone asking "How's your dead baby?" I think it's either a common tactic that they try to use, or that they all just have random outbursts. Either way, I take this behavior as a sign that these people genuinely do not care about women. (Unless, of course, they can use their grief as a political tool.) The smarter, more self-controlled lifers won't do it, but it seems like the majority of them will. Its quite pitiful how their attitudes towards a woman changes when it becomes clear to them that she doesnt regret her decision and has no desire for their pity and propaganda. At that point you somehow magically morph from helpless, innocent victim in need of guidance to stupid, evil baby killing slut in need of harassment and wrath of god.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:11 pm
Phrynia PhaedraMcSpiffy The sad thing, Phrynia, is that in comparison to what I've seen lifers do, this seems about normal for them. When they find a woman that's had an abortion in an online debate, many of them will attack her. They try to make her feel guilty, they insult her, and they harrass her. I remember a few years ago someone on a pro-choice myspace group said she'd gotten a PM from someone asking "How's your dead baby?" I think it's either a common tactic that they try to use, or that they all just have random outbursts. Either way, I take this behavior as a sign that these people genuinely do not care about women. (Unless, of course, they can use their grief as a political tool.) The smarter, more self-controlled lifers won't do it, but it seems like the majority of them will. Its quite pitiful how their attitudes towards a woman changes when it becomes clear to them that she doesnt regret her decision and has no desire for their pity and propaganda. At that point you somehow magically morph from helpless, innocent victim in need of guidance to stupid, evil baby killing slut in need of harassment and wrath of god. You've hit the nail on the head. After all, women who don't regret their abortions don't exactly help them with their "you'll regret your abortion, become depressed and kill yourself" claims. Sever people from this guild have been harassed by lifers, when they found out they had abortions. What they want you to do is keep it quiet, so you feel ashamed to say anything. By doing the opposite you show you're fine with your decision, and it's what you wanted.
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:35 am
That's what the pro-lifers want... for the women who do not regret their abortions, they want them to be silent and alone. That would make them politically powerless, and their voices unheard so that their own voice would sound more "true" than it actually is.
Also, "post abortion syndrome" is completely made up, all it is is forced guilt as opposed to internal guilt. So, if a woman didn't regret her abortion, if she was vulnerable enough to succumb to pro-life bullying, they could get her to feel forced guilt and then the pro-lifers could have "proof" of the "reality" of "post abortion syndrome".
And there's the dichotomy again: "angelic virgin" versus "evil whore". The former is treated in a patronizing way, the latter is overtly attacked. The thinking is extreme, there's no middle ground an aborting woman can be seen as.
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:21 am
Hell I've never had an abortion and simply by being pro-choice I've been stalked, harassed and threatened. Quote: defenderoftruth Repent pro-babykiller or perish in the flames of hell. Remember it's easy to be pro-choice when you're not the one getting killed. "choice" a mother's "right" to chop up her unborn baby. singed a former pro-abort now pro-life mother Quote: Obese woman Well, I believe that DefenderOfTruth said everything correctly. You are a nasty skank. You disgust me These are some of the tamer comments I've gotten. I've been called a whore, told that I'm abusing my children by being pro-choice (Still don't get that one.) and I've had one person threaten my life. If it hadn't been an youtube message I would have been worried but after reporting him he was banned and I haven't gotten any more threats like that. Phrynia, I hope the bastards that have been harassing you got banned but either way they'll get theirs. Karma has a way of kicking you in the a** when you least expect it and I hope she's wearing steel toe boots when she gets to them. razz
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