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Looking at chaos spawn...
If they move as beasts with slow and purposeful...

They move 2D6 pick the highest
They fleet of foot 1D6
(Minimum move 2 inches, maximum move 12 inches)
They assault 2D6 pick the highest multiplied by two
(Minimum assault 2 inches, maximum assault 12 inches)

2-24 inch possible movement per turn.

Rumours for this are that they intend to make a Codex: Demons in order to give us our love back. Until that point, i'm selling my damn Chaos.

I say defiler for not only theme, but function as well. Dreadnoughts go crazy, and maybe Im just paranoid due to my own uncooperatve dice, but I dont like the chance of hitting my own. Plus defiler's look bad a**.

CHAOS IS RUINED

i was at baltimore gamesday this year i saw the new models and flooded the convention center with drool of how beautifull they were!!
but then i hear from jervis johnson "were taking away blood frenzy and chain axes from berserkers."
my entire world eaters army relies on only those two factors to make them do anything.
then i hear "were getting rid of the specific legion rules."
i just started night lords, the only reason i started them was because of 4 fast attack and 1 heavy support and stealth. but taking that away means they have nothing that makes them any different from a black legion army other than the lightning bolt covered armor....
then i ask "what aren't you going to ruin about my favorite army in the entire game of warhammer?"
he said "we're going to make the list a little more simple for more unexperienced players, sort of like the dark angels list."
they already ruined probably one of the best chapters of space marines, which used to be my FAVORITE army.
but now they're ruined. over $500 spent making a great dark angels army down the toilet.
now they're making chaos, the most diverse and flexible army in warhammer, dumbed down so that more people can play them?
that was the reason they were great! because only veterans could play them right and that the unknowing would be easy prey and boost their experience, and not making them over cocky about their skills.
but no, they have to go and take away everything that i loved about warhammer.
they said, "deamons are going to be taking the back seat for this codex."
they never played that big of a part in the old one! so how are they going to take the back seat? they're more like going into the trunk!! the only army deamons played a huge part in was word bearers.
"and we're going to make a deamon legion list for 40k"
boo hoo, not like i use deamons. i only have a greater deamon because the model is beautiful and seeing panic on a tau player's face when 8 bikes zoom up the field and a giant monster is in their face.
"we might release more specific rules for the legions later on."
MIGHT!! i told jervis that i'd quit if they didn't.
yes deamons take no choice.
BOO HOO. the models are way too expensive for me to afford.
plastic possessed.
shinny, yes, but that doesn't make a difference.
PLASTIC CHAOS TERMINATORS.
beautiful. simply beautiful. but if thats the only reason too play chaos i'm not in for the ride
even now i'm considering selling my 2 armies of chaos...

my faith in khorne is leaving,
-patticus

well Ive wanted to psot this for a bit and your They Ruined Chaos post has brought it out



nm hold on... breaking update

In the newest WD Jervis says there will be a Codex Chaos Daemons in 2008 with more powerfull daemons.

I dont think everyone wants to be competetive. For example, the previouse poster stating "what makes me nightlords any different than black legion?" Black legion armies are just fine game wise, but thats not the point. If you fall in love with the legion's backstory and its little quircks like night vision and stealthy marines thats the reason to play them.

And not everyone wants legion specific marines readily available. I dont want to see khorne marines and slaanesh marines hanging out together holding hands, or nurgle tzeentch armies. Retconning doesnt have to be bad, Im enjoying the Horus heresy books, but simplifying s**t is not going to have the effect they want.

I can uderstand that, I'm a Skaven player who has never won a game because I like to play my army in character. However, I think that most of the legions will still be playable. You can still have a (almost) pure khorne berserker army (like wise the other four main legions) and there is nothing keeping you from theming your army around a specific legion.

Nightlords: Can still take more than three fast attack (needs spawn, but it is possible).
Iron Warriors: You can still field an army which is predominantly heavy support.
Word Bearers: With daemons not taking up a FOC slot you can field as many as you want. You just need 2 CSM squads to make you army legal.
Alpha Legion; The only legion that really suffers here as they lose their cultist option.
Worldeaters: You can still take 6 units of Khorne Berserkers, and the new icon system means that you can still have khornate units for your fast attack and heavy support options.
Death Guard, Emperors Children, Thousand Sons: See above.

Many Chaos players I know don't have a problem with the lack of legion specific rules as they can modify their army to fit. To blandly turn around and say that your army is ruined and that you're going to sell it is infantile. I don't like the new rumoured new codex, but I'm still going to use my Chaos army. But then, I'm a Black Legion player.