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here's a decent list for 500 points and it's the best way to get small start to an awsome guard army:

HQ:
80-Junior officer w/pwr weapon, plasma pistol and honorifica imperialis

Notes: the plasma pistol and pwr weapon are good for dealing with heavy armor targets and the honors gives your commander the stats he'll need to preform well (you'll be suprised how a counter charge with commander like this with a supporting infantry squad can turn the tide of a game, plus no one expects a charge from IG) Give his body guards pistols and CC weapons cause you'll want him to mobile.


Troops:

Infantry platoon

45 -Command section- junior officer w/ pwr weapon + laz pistol + 4 bodyguards

70-infantry squad- 10 men, 1 hvy bolter

70-infantry squad 10 men, 1 hvy bolter

Notes: The officer here is mostly to offer more targets to the enemy, his firepower if OK but he's just there to offer a power weapon in assult. Give his body guards lazguns, cause you'll want him to give a little extra fire support.

The squads are here to take care of any numerous targets from a distance, just deploy then in relativly good cover and let em blast away with the heavy bolters. once the enemy gets close enough he'll have to deal with laz guns too. Don't play them safe, put em cover but don't try to hide them, you WANT the enemy to shoot at them and NOT the more important things (officers/ storm troopers)


70- Storm troopers, 5 men total , 2 w/ plasma guns

Notes: the storm troopers are here to shoot down anything that the lemun russ can't. 2 plasma guns in the hands of a storm trooper squad can give even a terminatior squad a bad day. There's only 5 of em but anything with a 2+ armor save usually dosn't come in very great numbers anyway.


Hvy Support: Lemun Russ- w/ Battle cannon, hull mounted lazcannon, hvy bolter sponsons

Notes: the lemun russ will be the workhorse of your force. It'll offer mobile hvy weapons and a damn good cannon. DON'T just sit back and blast with the cannon, look for your enemies mobile support and take it down. For example: he has a transport tank trying to sneak around a building, you're infantry won't make it in time so have the Russ near by to just run around the corner and blast it.

If there are any questions or recomendations just say the word.

Oh and keep in mind that this list is made assuming that the 40k in 40 minutes rules aren't being used. Otherwise there's no russ allowed and I wouldn't bother taking the HQ

Sounds about right. Seeing how you have a couple extra points laying around, Doctrine and otherwise, Sharpshooters may be a good idea as well. I can't recall wether or not that costs you any points; if it does, you may have just enough left over to grab it for your men. In the smaller games, you'll see very few ones, but the more of those you can re-roll, the better. Those Heavy Bolters are nasty if you can have them hit just that little more.

I know Carapace Armor also costs points, and I can't recall how many; I haven't picked up a Codex yet, like a good boy. If it is affordable, I'd snag it. If not, Sharpshooters. Or, heck, anything that dosen't cost you any points is probaly a viable option for such a small list.

I'm also curious about how deadly the Basilisk is for everyone. I like my Leman Russ, but... Somehow, the Basilisk appeals to me.

And how does a simple modification replacing my Grenade Launchers with Rifle Grenades sound? I mean, I am going for a Battle of the Bulge look, and if I just give my Grenade Launcher equipped guys Lasguns with the little Mortar Rocket on the end, it should look vaguely cool.

I know not to ask for points, you silly man. I'm just saying, if they cost points, they are worth it if you can grab them. Not illegal to state that something may possibly cost points, is it?

I might still try a Basilisk sometime. Less raw firepower to spary the field with, but the fact that I can recline and carve out massive gaps in enemy formations just appeals to me.

As for Carapace Armor, it's much more useful in a smaller force like this than in a larger one. Couple hundred points of men translates to a couple dozen points of armor, and seeing how your enemy will have a limited number of heavy weapons around to focus on your squads, it's not a bad investment. However, in larger games... Yeah, it is considerably less useful there. Bolter fire, in my very limited experience, hurts a bit, but I'd just go with extra Guards.

Hay guys whats going on in this thread? dramallama

But seriously... I'm starting out on my Imperial Guard Army, the 21st Eedian Infantry, and I'm figuring out what Doctrines to use.
I'm leaning towards using Light Infantry, becasue the added Difficulty Terrain dice seems to increase the survivability when you are moving around. And I like to have a mobile army without spending alot of points on Chimera's.
Am I making a good decision or is Light Infantry just worthless for shooty armies?


(BTW, since I'm a newb, when you "buy" an Doctrine do you always have to equip every unit with the said Doctrine?)

I've wonderd this.
Can or must?

-Mykal

Right.
That might save me quite a few points. I've always taken them for all squads "just in case".

-Mykal

Two things, both about the Kasrkins/Stormtroopers.

One, the thing I don't like about the current version is that they really aren't that much different from normal Cadian troops, with only a little bit more armor and a different weapon. However, I don't much the older ones either, as they seem too... clunky. They seem to have too much stuff 'attached' to them, and it makes them seem like makeshift post-apocolyptic soldiers. Granted, this can be cool, but it's really not what needs to be done.

The second thing is that with the new Stormtroopers, they are specifically designed to be Kasrkins, and in effect, to be Cadian. This eliminates the possibly of feilding other Imperial Guard armies with them, or at the least, it lessens it. So... from a modeling standpoint, what do you do for other armies, such as the Praetorian Guard? Do you have to add stuff to your 'normal' soldiers to make the appearance of Stormtroopers, of just paint them differently?

cause that's basicly all they are! better training too. What most people don't realize is that flak armor is really tough but only covers a small amount of the body (thus the 5+ save) but with a few more plates added it gives the protection needed for a 4+. It's not stronger, there's just more of it.



If you can tell me about a universe more "post-apocolytic" in nature then the 40k universe, please say so. Humanity is a mess! whole plantets can go unaccounted for because of a tired accountent! that dosn't sound like some golden age to me!