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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:31 pm
yeah, my cousin also tried to get me to believe that terminators still get an armor save when trying to wound with an AP 2 plasma rifle. He also told me that I dont get a 2+ wound roll against a T4 opponent.
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:54 pm
Honestly, just ask him to show you a page when things like that come up. Your opponent ought to have his Codex (at least) right there and you should both have one of those 40k summary sheets.
That said, Terminator armour does give a 5+ invulnerable save, but it doesn't sound like that's what your cousin was talking about...
Regarding the Celestians, it's possible, via Acts of Faith, to turn their armor save into an invulnerable save for the phase (and fairly easily with a small squad, especially if one is an imagifier). But that would have been a 3+ invulnerable, and you ought to have been made aware of it at the beginning of your shooting phase when it was rolled.
Finally, if you rolled a 4 and got a Penetrating hit on the side armor of an Immolator, you must've been using a fusion blaster, railgun with solid shot, or a seeker missile, as those are the only weapons that can do that on a roll of 4. Every other weapon in the Tau armoury would've glanced or failed to penetrate with that roll. What were you firing?
I'm not assuming you're wrong or anything, but it seems that you're pretty quick to jump to the cheater conclusion when you don't really know your opponent's Codex...
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:37 am
He did not state on a few occasions that he was using an act of faith. I fired a solid railgun shot at the side of the Immolator. I penertrated it and scored a 5 on what was supposed to be the penertrating hit chart. And as soon as me and my friend got back to my house we looked at the Witch Hunters codex and my firend poited out that he cheated at least 6 times during that game that he knows of. So we really are not jumping the gun on him cheating.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:12 pm
So far, I have not lost once to Chaos. My friend just got hit new bloodthirster, but I blew the crap out of that. His demon prince never got close to touching my units, his Predators did almost nothing before they were killed. All-in-all, all 3 games we played, it was usually the same result: Killed his biggest units, ripped apart his squads with submunition and a hailfire from my firewarriors. I dropped gun drones next to his HQ and that was that. 3nodding He threw a fit all 3 times and once, he whipped his dice across my basement. I warned him that, if he ever loses his temper like that again, I will never play him in Warhammer or any game like it ever again. It didn't shut him up for a while, but I guess that is what a hot-tempered person is like to the extreme. He complained that he will never win and that it doesn't matter. I mean, he abuses his units by throwing them around (I use that term lightely), just because he lost a game. I get angry when I lose, but I don't throw b***h-fits. sweatdrop I hope none of you have encountered any one like this over a stupid game. gonk
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:16 pm
Babbalui He complained that he will never win and that it doesn't matter. I mean, he abuses his units by throwing them around (I use that term lightely), just because he lost a game. I get angry when I lose, but I don't throw b***h-fits. sweatdrop I hope none of you have encountered any one like this over a stupid game. gonk If he's looking to improve, offer to try switching armies with him for a couple battles. Similar to the way you look at a painting in the mirror to expose flaws in it, you can see exactly where you need to improve by taking on your own army. He'll see his own exploitable weaknesses and start formulating ways to protect them. Of course, with a hot-head like that, it might end up depressing him further, or possibly hurting your miniatures, but it sounds like you've got that contingency covered. Similarly, if he's completely irrational, it just might make him certain that your army is overpowered. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:09 pm
I have a friend whos like that in video games. I seem to have a natural talent for being better than him at games he owns. He gets depressed and complains that "someone will always be better at something than me and theres no point in playing with me if hes going to lose everytime".
Anyways, from all the models I got last week, I pieced together a 6-8 gun drone squad for my use if I wanted to. Thing is, they dont seem worth it: Their accuracy is s**t, they are weak (well, so are all tau), and their range is 18 so it seems you have to get into someones face before you can use them. I dont see the purpose when they cost more than firewarriors and they are quite a bit worse.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:29 am
yo_momma117 I have a friend whos like that in video games. I seem to have a natural talent for being better than him at games he owns. He gets depressed and complains that "someone will always be better at something than me and theres no point in playing with me if hes going to lose everytime". Anyways, from all the models I got last week, I pieced together a 6-8 gun drone squad for my use if I wanted to. Thing is, they dont seem worth it: Their accuracy is s**t, they are weak (well, so are all tau), and their range is 18 so it seems you have to get into someones face before you can use them. I dont see the purpose when they cost more than firewarriors and they are quite a bit worse. But they have Jet Packs and can deep strike. That makes them pretty usefull for pinning down enemy units early on in the game.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:11 am
Centigrade yo_momma117 I have a friend whos like that in video games. I seem to have a natural talent for being better than him at games he owns. He gets depressed and complains that "someone will always be better at something than me and theres no point in playing with me if hes going to lose everytime". Anyways, from all the models I got last week, I pieced together a 6-8 gun drone squad for my use if I wanted to. Thing is, they dont seem worth it: Their accuracy is s**t, they are weak (well, so are all tau), and their range is 18 so it seems you have to get into someones face before you can use them. I dont see the purpose when they cost more than firewarriors and they are quite a bit worse. But they have Jet Packs and can deep strike. That makes them pretty usefull for pinning down enemy units early on in the game. And also, you can do with them what I do with my spore mines. Find an opponent who MUST charge things (Black templars, Khorne bezerkers, etc), shoot em, and watch them go running after your cheap little gun drones. ALthough its even funnier to watch bezerkers kill themselves by attacking a spore mine.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:12 pm
EsgarBlackpoxs Centigrade yo_momma117 I have a friend whos like that in video games. I seem to have a natural talent for being better than him at games he owns. He gets depressed and complains that "someone will always be better at something than me and theres no point in playing with me if hes going to lose everytime". Anyways, from all the models I got last week, I pieced together a 6-8 gun drone squad for my use if I wanted to. Thing is, they dont seem worth it: Their accuracy is s**t, they are weak (well, so are all tau), and their range is 18 so it seems you have to get into someones face before you can use them. I dont see the purpose when they cost more than firewarriors and they are quite a bit worse. But they have Jet Packs and can deep strike. That makes them pretty usefull for pinning down enemy units early on in the game. And also, you can do with them what I do with my spore mines. Find an opponent who MUST charge things (Black templars, Khorne bezerkers, etc), shoot em, and watch them go running after your cheap little gun drones. ALthough its even funnier to watch bezerkers kill themselves by attacking a spore mine. Yeah if find playing armies where they have to assault you if you are within range easy more often than not to beat. But I do not play armies like that very often thus my win loss record needs a lot to be disered. Man it must be a pain for a Khorne army against nids. Thos spore mines could f you up well and good.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:04 pm
Centigrade EsgarBlackpoxs Centigrade yo_momma117 I have a friend whos like that in video games. I seem to have a natural talent for being better than him at games he owns. He gets depressed and complains that "someone will always be better at something than me and theres no point in playing with me if hes going to lose everytime". Anyways, from all the models I got last week, I pieced together a 6-8 gun drone squad for my use if I wanted to. Thing is, they dont seem worth it: Their accuracy is s**t, they are weak (well, so are all tau), and their range is 18 so it seems you have to get into someones face before you can use them. I dont see the purpose when they cost more than firewarriors and they are quite a bit worse. But they have Jet Packs and can deep strike. That makes them pretty usefull for pinning down enemy units early on in the game. And also, you can do with them what I do with my spore mines. Find an opponent who MUST charge things (Black templars, Khorne bezerkers, etc), shoot em, and watch them go running after your cheap little gun drones. ALthough its even funnier to watch bezerkers kill themselves by attacking a spore mine. Yeah if find playing armies where they have to assault you if you are within range easy more often than not to beat. But I do not play armies like that very often thus my win loss record needs a lot to be disered. Man it must be a pain for a Khorne army against nids. Thos spore mines could f you up well and good. I see the use for distraction, but beyond that, they dont do much with a 33% chance to hit.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:56 pm
S'why they're twin-linked.
Gun Drones can be better than Pathfinders, used properly.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:56 pm
And I doubt I will use them properly xp
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:44 am
yo_momma117 Centigrade EsgarBlackpoxs Centigrade yo_momma117 I have a friend whos like that in video games. I seem to have a natural talent for being better than him at games he owns. He gets depressed and complains that "someone will always be better at something than me and theres no point in playing with me if hes going to lose everytime". Anyways, from all the models I got last week, I pieced together a 6-8 gun drone squad for my use if I wanted to. Thing is, they dont seem worth it: Their accuracy is s**t, they are weak (well, so are all tau), and their range is 18 so it seems you have to get into someones face before you can use them. I dont see the purpose when they cost more than firewarriors and they are quite a bit worse. But they have Jet Packs and can deep strike. That makes them pretty usefull for pinning down enemy units early on in the game. And also, you can do with them what I do with my spore mines. Find an opponent who MUST charge things (Black templars, Khorne bezerkers, etc), shoot em, and watch them go running after your cheap little gun drones. ALthough its even funnier to watch bezerkers kill themselves by attacking a spore mine. Yeah if find playing armies where they have to assault you if you are within range easy more often than not to beat. But I do not play armies like that very often thus my win loss record needs a lot to be disered. Man it must be a pain for a Khorne army against nids. Thos spore mines could f you up well and good. I see the use for distraction, but beyond that, they dont do much with a 33% chance to hit. Yeah and if they manage to get a wound on an enemy unit they will force a pnnin test. So it is possible that the unit may be going nowhere next turn. And in that turn they are not moving they will be easy pickings.
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:04 pm
Also, if they are pinned, then they can't do jack-squat, lessening the amount of shots towards the gun drones. Also, I have 3 squads of 8 gun drones that deep strike on the second turn a lot of the time. I get lucky and deploy 2/3 of them on the first strike. That maximizes the chances of pinning multiple units, preventing any further forth-coming problems from them. wink
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:42 pm
Yes I know what pinning does. Although those tests in my opinion are hard to fail.
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