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Firstly Zebro was my creation, you didn't so much as ask why he was brought into the story before hijacking him and trying to make your own character all powerful by taking a trillion dollar bounty out on my character. Not to mention I had prefaced several posts before hand that I had arranged a meeting with him, but you just butted in. If you are upset about that all I can honestly say is it could have been avoided if you'd talked to me or if I had spoken with you but what is done is done.

As for his army not being noticed, voss to hutta was little over a day and because of hutta the Emperor knows of his existence and will learn so much more. Less than a day and Dawson's secret army is already being searched for.

Dawson does seem powerful and he makes demands and expects them to be meet or else there will be concequences, and he does this Because he is a pirate captain. His character does not hear the word "no" and when e does he kills the person until he hears yes. Have you guys ever meet a pirate who was polite, civil and waited things out? It is not in his character, he had a high value target and wanted to get his money's worth, I could just have easily started dialogue with the imperials delivering a temple master to be tortured until he died or was broken. Chance are it would have been a thankless endeavor maybe some credits or if the noticed some force talents training.

Perhaps you are right and I should not have had Davth give him the saber but considering the fact that Zara is laying there knocked out all he had to do was bend down and pick up her saber. I wanted the ordeal over and now it's still dragging out. At any point however you all could have said no deal, and I would have been left with nothing, you all caved to his demands a have him power over you. He honesty would not have killed Davth he's far to valuable and you'd have gained the knowledge I where he was and left him with the choice of leaving or calling the empire from the same spot. Moving quickly you could have and I suppose still could capture him yourselves but the longer it takes the greater the chance of MoMo finding him and bring imperials and we have another fight on our hands.

I never said it was obvious that Zara is the one responsible, just that she IS a suspect. Unfortunately most people are just throwing caution to the winds to get you guys involved. I for one am all for getting people involved, but make it make sense. Yes Logan is shady as hell, but he's got a reason for being on Tython. He also has no idea where Tython is as he didn't use his own ship to get there, so he's not as much of a threat as all that. On the other hand we have Dawson and Zara being brought to Tython making waaaaaaaaaay less sense. If you want to interrogate her you could do that in any number of different locations, same for healing her, provided you take a medical team with you. And Dawson just has no reason whatsoever to be involved. He's knowingly aiding and abetting a sith. Not to mention he's admitted to having a massive pirate army.

The je'daii should not be accepting aid from someone who pillages and murders, regardless of how much of a help he could be. So far all Logan has done is threaten to blow Zara (A sith) and Dawson (A known murderer) to pieces, and actually blow up an imperial frigate at Voss. If anything the guy should get a medal for that feat alone. The way he acted with Wonkyy's character was because the guy was mouthy as hell in a situation that require more brains than the council were currently employing

As for not being able to communicate from Tython, Zara once talked to Rahl with her mind from a ship lightyears away. I don't think having no communicator is really an issue. Granted she won't know where they are, but the emperor being as badass as he is might have had tracking devices installed in her or something. So really when you sit down and look at the facts, the most dangerous thing right now is allowing Zara and Dawson anywhere near Tython. Hell if Dawson's pirate base is so well hidden that legions of pirates can fly to and from it without being caught ever then i'm pretty sure it'd be safer to look at Zara there.

And when exactly are we going to continue our little thing Seherak? Because I have been waiting for a while on you.

Oh I know where Tython is (it's almost next door to Coruscant, so it'd be hard not to know it's there), the original story was that I didn't know the Je'daii had gone back there after the purge. As of right now, the Emperor might know all about Tython and is just getting everything in order to finish them off once and for all. twisted
(As of my last post, the Corruo is operational once again)

Right I anticipated as much as Zebro being used as a stepping stone, which is why I made the post where Dawson and Zara were waiting outside the path to Zebros private chambers, so that she would have to interact with us to reach zebro, but this was ignored and she was instantly inside the private chambers that a meeting had just been setup within without as much as a sneaking post just bam inside the chambers past all the guards and the character posted outside for interaction. It should not have ended the way it did and there is next o nothing we can do about that, aside from going back and editing the hell out of the posts.

Not at the moment no, however I have written Momo and i was under the impression that we agreed she would speak to a namless character who would reveal a good deal about Dawson and his men. Surely someone would notice that atleast half of Zebros muscle just fled off world hours after the hutt's death.

So far Dawson has a confirmed kill on a Hutt? I fail to see how that makes him a terrible person. Yes in the past he would have killed people, but seeing as to how no one in the story at the moment was around him at the time it is impossible to know whether or not he was a butcher or merely crippled the ships and took what he wanted while everyone was panicking.

Davth is one of the four Temple Masters of the Je'daii order, before we introduced the council they were the second highest tier possible for the je'daii, I would say that makes him a valuable target. The other characters would not be privy to this knowledge but surely the fact that a temple master just outed him as a force sensitive, and the revelation that he has a daughter whose mother was a force user would have thrown him into an irrational state where he is more interested in her safety, seeing as to how the Empire is not known for its gentle training of its apprentices, hence the "and another term to discuss in person." than thinking logically. He has one of the alleged most powerful je'daii, based upon his station in the order, captive he feels invincible, why should he fear the je'daii when he has one of their "best" in the palm of his hand?



You are not je'daii this is true, how ever you are their in the council chambers you could have pushed for them to say no, to push the point that Dawson is a risk they can not afford to take, personally I did not want Dawson on tython, creep into Davth's mind on Hypori, Treat Zara, and let him have a light saber and he could care less.

You could have tried to kill Terva you must keep in mind that no one has the ability to just kill another character, blowing up the ship would have left the option for Scuttle and myself to decide if we wanted the characters to die. We'd make it to escape pods, or your ship would have merely destroyed the shields allowing us to limp away. Davth likely would have died in the scenario of the ship blowing up, Dawson would have likely made a go for the escape pod and Zara, well if scuttle wanted her alive i'd have had Dawson carry her into the pod. Once in the escape pod they would have been sitting ducks for you to capture.

He has weakness, Zara throughly wiped the floor with him earlier in the story but that seems to be forgotten and everyone wants to talk about me not giving him any weakness, he is a big talking pirate, but I do not recall ever stating that he is invincible or infallible. So far he also has no strengths revealed either, he has talked about a pirate army but so far it is absent. In essence all Dawson has done is, Kill a Hutt, Make threats of a pirate army, and try and force the je'daii into doing what he says. The character is well aware that he would not last long in a fight and as such he has yet to try and fight anyone, other than Zara once and since the defeat nothing....

It is also not impossible for a non force user to beat a je'daii, It happened earlier in the story on Mandalore, Samohet pretty thoroughly beat a je'daii I want to say it was Kad I very well could be wrong as this was along time ago, its all about the dice, and even the most skilled je'daii is bound to have a bad day. Just as the leas skilled mercenary can get lucky.

Mizu didn't need to sneak past the guards. She had a previously planned meeting with Zebro. It's not like her going there was supposed to be secret from anyone. The only people who knew what was going to be said in that room would have been Zebro and Mizu herself. So the guards could have been told practically any story and it'd have been fine. She also didn't need to interact with your characters at that point in time. Would you go and start chatting someone up if you didn't know them? Especially if someone like Zara was scowling and looking angry beside them? She was there to meet Zebro, and she didn't know who you were so really talking to you would have been pointless.



You're assuming anyone knew these people were his muscle to begin with. All Kaede has to go on is that Dawson was seen leaving the area with Zara. A bunch of other people leaving at the same time would ring no alarm bells.



He's a self confirmed pirate lord. It's not exactly a secret what pirating entails. So honestly it's pretty easy to see why people would think him a terrible person. Yes you only killed a hutt so far but you were blackmailing that hutt to do what you want. As the hutt in question was a crime lord that makes you a criminal too. So honestly assuming the worst is kind of understandable. This also applies to Mizu, though after her breakdown on her ship I don't think anyone sees her as a threat really...



What would he have to fear? Well you pretty much answered your own question. You have one of their "best", and then you start making demands of them? Here's the thing that I pointed out last time, and seems to have been ignored. One je'daii, regardless of rank, is not worth the lives of an entire planet. Davth is not more important than Tython's security. So actually he has everything to fear from pissing them off. He's not invincible and he's being an idiot if he thinks he is.



No I couldn't push anything. As quite a few of the je'daii were quick to point out, it wasn't our business and we needed to stay out of it. I could've shouted at them to ignore you all day long and it would've completely fallen on deaf ears.



When I said kill Terva in my previous post I meant I could've had Temron tell you no and that you can kill Terva if you desire. I had no intention of ever firing. I know I can't kill a character without permission and I wouldn't want to anyway.



The problem is that you act like there is nothing that can be done to you. "I'm a space pirate with a massive fleet and you can't touch me. Let's ignore that I beat the tar out of a supposed temple master, when I myself have no force powers, and negotiate already." You strut Dawson around and basically seem to just pull answers out of thin air because you think that having not revealed everything about your character means that he can have whatever he wants sitting in reserve. I'll refer to Logan, because he's really the only other character with that same air of mystery right now. He has the ship near you and what he has on his person. He doesn't have some mysterious army that he just thought up on the spot because it was fun. He doesn't go around trying to intimidate entire planets full of people by threatening to kill one, extremely less important, person if they don't do what he wants. Frankly the entire idea that you think Dawson was legitimate in being able to make demands is just utterly arrogant. You go on about how your fleet could be a threat to the Empire for Lord Helix's sake. The Empire that has subjugated the entire galaxy and has more manpower than you ever will.



Whilst yes a non force user can beat a force user I feel you missed my point. I said Dawson could not win against THE Je'daii not A Je'daii. If he tried to fight them as a faction he would lose. He just would. This is the same group that utterly decimated the Empire's ground forces at Voss. You aren't going to win against that unless you have some foce users of your own, and a half dead Sith and a Jawa aren't going to cut it.

Sorry, but do you guys mind taking this to the PMs?
Or, you know, we could all just...


I second the motion! cheese_whine

Honestly I thought it was a good debate. And having it in the OOC allows anyone to jump in ^^