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Things are too fuzzy for me right now, Ill have to wait for this new Codex to make a real decision. This might make it easier for me to choose what to get in my army, but I still have to see what is happening. When is the Codex due to be out again? The third quarter of this year?

That's just a ruse - it is, in fact, completely uninformed opinion based on the presence of change and nothing more. People look at the change in a vacuum and pretend to be able to extrapolate horrendous doom on their armies.

The saying, "can't see the forest for the trees"? This is textbook.


Nonsense - it is especially important for wargames! In fact, it's one of the largest deciding factors for most players when trying to choose between wargames.


Actually, that's EXACTLY what they did with D&D3. And then AGAIN with D&D3.5. And as a matter of fact, some of Wizards' major competitors are successful because they provide games designed around faster, more streamlined play.

I'm sticking with Kento.

If I wanted an easy game to play, I woulda spent a couple thousand worth in videogames, not Warhammer.

I am not playing to be told "Ok, here's your squad. The 5 options for it are right here." I'm strongly against fast games. If a game isn't at least 2 hours for me, it isn't worth playing (Unless teaching someone about the hobby).

So, Jon, I'm pissed because there's CHANGE?

Not because Raptors are now the exact same as their millenia-younger imperial counterparts, not because a Bodyless suit of armor has 1/4 the durability of a Sick Marine, not because my customability in characters is gone (54 gakking options excluding God Specific, Veterans, and Marks, likely to be replaced with a dozen options at most), not because there are going to be armylists that make no sense (Bloodthirster in an otherwise all-slaneesh army), because some models are becoming useless (All those nice little Iron-Warrior Basalisk conversions? Gone. Chosen Champions converted with speed? Gone. 12 Terminators with 4 Heavy Weapons? 2 are Guarentied to be gone, and un-usable unless you buy 8 more Terminators) and have to be either scrapped or have more bought to be used, or the seeming point rise in Chaos Marines?

I'm complaining just because it's CHANGE?

Since I really didn't rely on demons in the first place, I like the upgrade the gave to space marines with giving them three weapons. This makes a close combat army all the more real without expensive demons.

As Im sure youve seen before, Im not a fan of miniquotes normally, so Ill just do this down the line and it should have the same effect.

A ruse, am a follower of tzeentch now. Setting up conspiracies within conspiracies to confound my foes. While I cleverly make people believe that some may dislike the supposed changes to the chaos codex I will make my move for world power. No, my opinion (as part of "people") is based on the supposedly reliable rumors given about the change. As Ive stated my opinions depend wholly on these changes actually taking place and my opinions of these changes themselves. Not change as a whole. You have yet to prove how I fear change itself and am taking it out on a set of possible changes that I disagree with to an army I liked. Also, its very easy to say "so and so, just doesnt like change" rather than discuss the actual changes, much the same as when someone says theyre against christianity or scientology (and so on) theyre deemed anti religious.

Nonsense-you were mentioning uninformed opinion a paragraph ago, where are your statistics on this? We can only go by observed opinion unless there's been a survey Im unaware of. I got into 40k due to its complexity over rts games, I tried warmachine out and stuck with 40k because warmachine is too simple. My circle of friends got into it because of its complexity and similarity to table top rpgs and so on. When I demo games, its to rpg players, and magic the gathering players, and other nerdy types whore not afraid of a rule book. The only and I mean ONLY reason I ever hear for someone not getting into the game after Ive demod a game or talked it up with a friend is the cost. The few hobby, game, and comic shop owners I know personally say the same thing.

Concerning D&D, I disliked 3.5, and once again my friends and pretty much those i meet in shops or running shops didnt like it, and stuck to 3.0 or for the veterans Advanced 2nd. The only competition Im aware of is white wolf, which the appeal seems more in its more urban friendly roles, ease of larping, and its fiction. The only other rpgs I can think of are Heavy Gear which was bigger in Canada and not by much as i remember, Besm which is more for the otaku and even then unknown, or cthulhu which despite the merchandise and so on, stille seems to be a niche thing.

Moving awaye from the paragraph per point set up...As far as I can tell the only reason you favor the changes is that you believe it will get more people into the hobby. At least thats all ive gotten from what youve said on the subject of these changes, rather than change itself.

Meh, worse comes to worse I stick with WHFB.

Can't screw that up unless they rehaul it completely, which I doubt will happen.

And if it SOMEHOW does, GW still has a few systems that're likely to never change (Gothic, Mordheim, Inquisitor, etc).

Thats GW for you, I guess.
Hell, we all knew changes happen in this game, often enough.
I mean, look at the first few editions, and compare them to the current ones. Alot of stuff has changed, been added, removed, etc, and there's really nothing we can go but take it and move on.

On a sidenote, I just bought a CSM Terminator lord (As my new HQ), and have been wondering with what to equip it? Suggestions?