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 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:08 pm
Well techincaly it is a warp vortex but a black hole is the best way to describe it
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:55 pm
The Jack Man Crystal Chronicler NightPredator11 Crystal Chronicler I think the space marines should return to there former strength and then re capture all of the galaxy thay never will. they can if they get rid of the "1000 chapter limit and make more power suits and dreadnoughts and terminators Hard to do when you've lost the blueprints for said Terminator armour and Dreadnoughts. These things are hard to make, they can make, it's a slow process. Easier said then done. Plus the 1000 man limit was put into place to prevent anyone ever having the power of a Space Marine legion ever again. Think Horus Heresy. CUT ONE OPEN! And the space marines now rarely turn
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:27 pm
Crystal Chronicler The Jack Man Crystal Chronicler NightPredator11 Crystal Chronicler I think the space marines should return to there former strength and then re capture all of the galaxy thay never will. they can if they get rid of the "1000 chapter limit and make more power suits and dreadnoughts and terminators Hard to do when you've lost the blueprints for said Terminator armour and Dreadnoughts. These things are hard to make, they can make, it's a slow process. Easier said then done. Plus the 1000 man limit was put into place to prevent anyone ever having the power of a Space Marine legion ever again. Think Horus Heresy. CUT ONE OPEN! And the space marines now rarely turn she has a point if you gave a terminator armor suit to a tech marine it's not like they couldn't figure it out. I remember reading in the older space rin codex that's why their's only one set of those combi bolterpowerfist on the space marine guy. also somebody want to send me a link to some info on the horus heresy I wasn't in at that time and I want to know what it was all about.
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:00 am
wash_away Crystal Chronicler The Jack Man Crystal Chronicler NightPredator11 Crystal Chronicler I think the space marines should return to there former strength and then re capture all of the galaxy thay never will. they can if they get rid of the "1000 chapter limit and make more power suits and dreadnoughts and terminators Hard to do when you've lost the blueprints for said Terminator armour and Dreadnoughts. These things are hard to make, they can make, it's a slow process. Easier said then done. Plus the 1000 man limit was put into place to prevent anyone ever having the power of a Space Marine legion ever again. Think Horus Heresy. CUT ONE OPEN! And the space marines now rarely turn she has a point if you gave a terminator armor suit to a tech marine it's not like they couldn't figure it out. I remember reading in the older space rin codex that's why their's only one set of those combi bolterpowerfist on the space marine guy. also somebody want to send me a link to some info on the horus heresy I wasn't in at that time and I want to know what it was all about. not true. If we had a war and our scientists all died, there would be people who survived who would train as scientists... but if a certain technique was lost.. say.. ultracompact NICA batteries, the likes of which power mobile phones, then once the initial units are all destroyed or broken, we would no longer have them. By looking at one, we could rig up a crude inferior and larger unit that serves a similar purpose, but we could not replicate this ancient technology yet. It will take many years of sciences to learn about microtechnology... The same can be said for 40k technology on a much LARGER scale.
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:35 am
Hence the near mythical Adeptus Mechanicus legend of their own holy grail, the legendary STC library that contains each and every STC pattern from the days gone by.
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:31 am
Lt_Brookman Hence the near mythical Adeptus Mechanicus legend of their own holy grail, the legendary STC library that contains each and every STC pattern from the days gone by. eh? I believe all technology of the MARS tech priests who made that old stuff was lost when Chaos took over, destroyed it all, and slaughtered them. In short, the chaos took what they could, then buggered off, making sure the imperium had lost the technology. Heck, the only reason we still have power armour is because we had it produced on Earth! the fall of mars that time made us lose pre-heresy style tactical dreadnought armor, dreadnoughts, jetbikes, 5 mks of armor, older style vehicles... and lead to the ceased production of plasma based weaponry. Plasma is listed as "rare and precious" nowadays. Despite the fact you can have 5 plasma weapons in one squad.
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:29 pm
Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman Hence the near mythical Adeptus Mechanicus legend of their own holy grail, the legendary STC library that contains each and every STC pattern from the days gone by. eh? I believe all technology of the MARS tech priests who made that old stuff was lost when Chaos took over, destroyed it all, and slaughtered them. In short, the chaos took what they could, then buggered off, making sure the imperium had lost the technology. Heck, the only reason we still have power armour is because we had it produced on Earth! the fall of mars that time made us lose pre-heresy style tactical dreadnought armor, dreadnoughts, jetbikes, 5 mks of armor, older style vehicles... and lead to the ceased production of plasma based weaponry. Plasma is listed as "rare and precious" nowadays. Despite the fact you can have 5 plasma weapons in one squad. so why isn't it that we make new teck, if they had all of these thing's in the past why can't we make different stuff for the future?
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:36 pm
wash_away Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman Hence the near mythical Adeptus Mechanicus legend of their own holy grail, the legendary STC library that contains each and every STC pattern from the days gone by. eh? I believe all technology of the MARS tech priests who made that old stuff was lost when Chaos took over, destroyed it all, and slaughtered them. In short, the chaos took what they could, then buggered off, making sure the imperium had lost the technology. Heck, the only reason we still have power armour is because we had it produced on Earth! the fall of mars that time made us lose pre-heresy style tactical dreadnought armor, dreadnoughts, jetbikes, 5 mks of armor, older style vehicles... and lead to the ceased production of plasma based weaponry. Plasma is listed as "rare and precious" nowadays. Despite the fact you can have 5 plasma weapons in one squad. so why isn't it that we make new teck, if they had all of these thing's in the past why can't we make different stuff for the future? because it wasn't the equipment that was lost, it was the technology that was used to make it, think of it like this: a metal worker can look at as many piles of metal as he wants, he can make drawings of the things he wants to make, and can even start organizing the metal, but he can't do sh*t if he dosn't have a blowtorch. try to imagine the Imperium as the metal worker and the blowtorch as the "lost tech"
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:49 pm
Nuclearwinter wash_away Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman Hence the near mythical Adeptus Mechanicus legend of their own holy grail, the legendary STC library that contains each and every STC pattern from the days gone by. eh? I believe all technology of the MARS tech priests who made that old stuff was lost when Chaos took over, destroyed it all, and slaughtered them. In short, the chaos took what they could, then buggered off, making sure the imperium had lost the technology. Heck, the only reason we still have power armour is because we had it produced on Earth! the fall of mars that time made us lose pre-heresy style tactical dreadnought armor, dreadnoughts, jetbikes, 5 mks of armor, older style vehicles... and lead to the ceased production of plasma based weaponry. Plasma is listed as "rare and precious" nowadays. Despite the fact you can have 5 plasma weapons in one squad. so why isn't it that we make new teck, if they had all of these thing's in the past why can't we make different stuff for the future? because it wasn't the equipment that was lost, it was the technology that was used to make it, think of it like this: a metal worker can look at as many piles of metal as he wants, he can make drawings of the things he wants to make, and can even start organizing the metal, but he can't do sh*t if he dosn't have a blowtorch. try to imagine the Imperium as the metal worker and the blowtorch as the "lost tech" Finally, someone around here who gets it. -hands over a special "I" shaped cookie-
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:42 pm
Ophiuchus Nuclearwinter wash_away Ophiuchus Lt_Brookman Hence the near mythical Adeptus Mechanicus legend of their own holy grail, the legendary STC library that contains each and every STC pattern from the days gone by. eh? I believe all technology of the MARS tech priests who made that old stuff was lost when Chaos took over, destroyed it all, and slaughtered them. In short, the chaos took what they could, then buggered off, making sure the imperium had lost the technology. Heck, the only reason we still have power armour is because we had it produced on Earth! the fall of mars that time made us lose pre-heresy style tactical dreadnought armor, dreadnoughts, jetbikes, 5 mks of armor, older style vehicles... and lead to the ceased production of plasma based weaponry. Plasma is listed as "rare and precious" nowadays. Despite the fact you can have 5 plasma weapons in one squad. so why isn't it that we make new teck, if they had all of these thing's in the past why can't we make different stuff for the future? because it wasn't the equipment that was lost, it was the technology that was used to make it, think of it like this: a metal worker can look at as many piles of metal as he wants, he can make drawings of the things he wants to make, and can even start organizing the metal, but he can't do s**t if he dosn't have a blowtorch. try to imagine the Imperium as the metal worker and the blowtorch as the "lost tech" Finally, someone around here who gets it. -hands over a special "I" shaped cookie- I fully understand what you are saying, but why haven't they been able to replicate the technology in ten thousand years? That seems a little extreme, doesn't it? And with reverse engineering, I'm sure that they could understand in about say, a thousand years or so, pushing it. Eventually they would be able to make another blow torch, and thus be able to start recreating the technology all over again. I mean, if the Tau are new to space travel, how come their navy has superior technology to the Imperium? It's things like that that are kind of off to me.
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:00 am
CLARIFICATION: They could understand that, and indeed they do. An example is the Predator Anihilator. They debated Months/Years if that was allowed. Even though the Space Wolves did that, and had been doing that, the Techs Debated whether or not that was a Sin, as it was an almost original thought.
The Techs/Adeptus Mechanicus could do all sorts of stuff, but they consider it Blasphemy to alter any sort of Machine , and it is Religious Beliefs that hold them in Check. They could easily become the most advanced Race, but they consider Independant Thought, or Deviation from Machine BluePrints that they have as a Sin, that is punishible by death.
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:03 am
Side Note: It is rumoured somewhere that the Blood Ravens Recovered BluePrints For Terminators, and Gaurd that Knowledge Secretly.
There are other Chapters that know how also, but they aren't about to tell anybody, since they would be destroyed if they did.
Also, Chaos does know how to make Terminator Suits.
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:25 am
OfWenzel Side Note: It is rumoured somewhere that the Blood Ravens Recovered BluePrints For Terminators, and Gaurd that Knowledge Secretly. There are other Chapters that know how also, but they aren't about to tell anybody, since they would be destroyed if they did. Also, Chaos does know how to make Terminator Suits. ** I believe everyone knows how to make them, or at least repair/ maintain them... In the old days, there were three variants. Only one still exists at all.
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:06 pm
OfWenzel CLARIFICATION: They could understand that, and indeed they do. An example is the Predator Anihilator. They debated Months/Years if that was allowed. Even though the Space Wolves did that, and had been doing that, the Techs Debated whether or not that was a Sin, as it was an almost original thought. The Techs/Adeptus Mechanicus could do all sorts of stuff, but they consider it Blasphemy to alter any sort of Machine , and it is Religious Beliefs that hold them in Check. They could easily become the most advanced Race, but they consider Independant Thought, or Deviation from Machine BluePrints that they have as a Sin, that is punishible by death. ** Ah yes, sin. Forgot about that one.
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:38 am
The Adeptus Mechanicus does know how to create power armor, and plasma weaponry, they're constantly producing tanks with these weapons, and it's obvious that they have the technology available to do so.
Besides who's to say the Imperiums technology doesn't function on a level similar to Ork Tech? The Machine god/Machine spirit is very much real in 40k, and may be what allows most of there tech to function in the first place...not super technology like we think.
Yes they lost a lot of knowledge back in the horus heresy, but they've gained quite a bit since then as well, there are many new variants on older tank styles, new items of wargear for the imperium, and a lot of them seem to have the mark of mars on them. Not to mention all of the FW Mars pattern vehicles...I'd say that the folks on mars have been monkeying with imperial technolofy quite a bit lately, regardless of what the fluff says is a sin for them.
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