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 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:42 am
[RX8] A.R.G.U.S Mykal [RX8] Chaos is getting the Chaos Space marine codex first with those tasty models, then Codexs fo Legions/LatD and Daemons is rumoured but not confirmed.
Seeing the new raptor Lord I know have the inspiration for my Night Lord Raptor cult so my current army will have to take second place on the shelf.My army at the moment is 2nd post on this linkSome of the rumoured changes for the codex such as no God books and no Legions worries me also raptors without hit and run scares me. But the models have made me want to stay chaos no matter what.
Blueshirt said he's not allowed to look inside the Codex Daemons, but he has seen the cover on a desk, probably a test run.
-Mykal
He said it was a possibility. He says it is now. Daemon Prince, Daemons for troops, and posessed as Elites...
-Mykal
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:36 am
Speaking of Demons, I have my eye on some bloodletters, they certainly look like they can take a considerable amounts of troops out.
Any thoughts on performance?
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:09 pm
Bloodletters and Daemonettes seem to be the only Daemon packs worthwhile, so I don't think you can go wrong with them. As for specifics, I can't really tell you at this moment. sad
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:51 am
Obersturmbannfuehrer Chii Bloodletters and Daemonettes seem to be the only Daemon packs worthwhile, so I don't think you can go wrong with them. As for specifics, I can't really tell you at this moment. sad Plus the fact that all demons may become the same in the plain Chaos Codex (Genericized Demons is a BIG rumor). Yeah, models look sexy, though Rule rumors are crap for lotsa players. Hopefully, GD will prove me wrong when I look at the Codex.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:31 am
Players are a whiny lot, that's for sure.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:03 pm
Yeah, nobody likes it when one of their favorite old toys gets taken away.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:54 am
Razorith Vulsroy Yeah, nobody likes it when one of their favorite old toys gets taken away. More accurately: nobody likes it when things change, regardless of positive/negative aspect, and are for the most part completely incapable of seeing past their own indignation and sense of self-righteous entitlement long enough to just enjoy the damn game.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:32 am
I can't find the rules for the minor psychic powers for Chaos. Its referenced in the Chaos Codex, but I can't find where they are. Can anyone help out?
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:05 am
FlashbackJon Razorith Vulsroy Yeah, nobody likes it when one of their favorite old toys gets taken away. More accurately: nobody likes it when things change, regardless of positive/negative aspect, and are for the most part completely incapable of seeing past their own indignation and sense of self-righteous entitlement long enough to just enjoy the damn game. 1) Lotsa people are having to give stuff up now for armies. Iron-Warrior armies that had Havocks, Oblits, Tanks, etc now lose not only all the rules that made them different (Sacrifice Fast attack, Siege Specialist, etc), but now can only have three total of all those above. Basilisks seem like they're going away too. Before you whine about it being one army, note, Iron Warriors are very popular in tornaments. The same thing happened with the Removal of Seer councils, Bionics on Dark Angels, Autocannon Space Marines, etc. The shift seems to now be from Iron Warriors to Godzilla 'Nid armies and Vehicle-loaded Eldar armies. 2) Fluff is being butchered. No longer is it the Veterans, Unique demon weapons, etc. It's Generic Demon Weapons, only Veteran skills will be on Khorne Berzerkers (Furious Charge), and Veterans (Infiltrate). Where's Tank-Hunting Iron Warriors? Where's Night Vision Night Lords? Where's All-Infiltrating Alpha Legion? Gone. Worse, Genericizing Chaos units. Yes, an army with 'Chaos' in it's name is going to have more Order then the current Space Marine Codex. Where's the Chaos in that? Hell, all Demon Princes are likely to have the same statline! 3) I will still enjoy the damned game. My Khorne units will all be shelved, though I still have over 15 Red-Corsair Space Marines salvaged from my beginning years, about 20 Non-Corsair Marines, 5 Bikers, and am likely to spend all my spare money the next few months on the sexy as hell new Chaos Marines. And Lord? They were in an old Chapter Approved. Don't know which one, but local GW clerks recently told me their rules no longer apply, meaning Minor Psychic Powers now are useless to buy unless it's a God-Specific one.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:10 pm
Obersturmbannfuehrer Chii Bloodletters and Daemonettes seem to be the only Daemon packs worthwhile, so I don't think you can go wrong with them. As for specifics, I can't really tell you at this moment. sad
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:15 pm
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:11 pm
They're... uh... posted on the previous page of this thread. wink And without that horrific levels correction, too. Drachyench_The_Eternal 1) Lotsa people are having to give stuff up now for armies. Iron-Warrior armies that had Havocks, Oblits, Tanks, etc now lose not only all the rules that made them different (Sacrifice Fast attack, Siege Specialist, etc), but now can only have three total of all those above. Basilisks seem like they're going away too. Before you whine about it being one army, note, Iron Warriors are very popular in tornaments. The same thing happened with the Removal of Seer councils, Bionics on Dark Angels, Autocannon Space Marines, etc. The shift seems to now be from Iron Warriors to Godzilla 'Nid armies and Vehicle-loaded Eldar armies. Let me translate this for you from 'whining fanboi' to 'average player': "Because it's not the way it was before, it is bad. I fear change and rail against it in favor of status quo at any given opportunity." As a side note, Iron Warriors were very popular in tournaments not because they're an awesome legion (which they are), and not because they are inherently fun to play (which they are), but because they were by far the most easily abusable. So much so, in fact, that many true Iron Warriors fans are actually scared to bring their armies to the table, regardless of composition, for fear of being compared to powergamers and tourney-mongers. All they've lost is that which was most often abused. All they've lost is the flavor of the month - now you'll get to see what a real Iron Warrior player looks like. Quote: 2) Fluff is being butchered. No longer is it the Veterans, Unique demon weapons, etc. It's Generic Demon Weapons, only Veteran skills will be on Khorne Berzerkers (Furious Charge), and Veterans (Infiltrate). Where's Tank-Hunting Iron Warriors? Where's Night Vision Night Lords? Where's All-Infiltrating Alpha Legion? Gone. Worse, Genericizing Chaos units. Yes, an army with 'Chaos' in it's name is going to have more Order then the current Space Marine Codex. Where's the Chaos in that? Hell, all Demon Princes are likely to have the same statline! Fluff isn't being butchered here - in fact, fluff isn't even being touched. Remember what happened last time GW tried to enforce fluff on a Codex -- combat squads, anyone? They got no end to the bitching. Please see this for what it is: a knee-jerk overreaction to alterations in gameplay and nothing more. It's an attempt to dramatize minor losses in one area while completely glossing over any inherent advantages. Games Workshop has NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER made a move from complex to simple, except immediately after the release of third edition. Every single Codex thusfar has been more complex and more chock-full of wargear, special skills, and gameplay options than the one before it. Furthermore, ever since the purging of the Squats, they've gone out of their way to verify that a complete, functional army with an older Codex is still a complete, functional army with a new one. I may not be a fan of GW's pricing strategy or some of their design decisions, but these empty cans that rattle every time a new book comes out are just mindless naysayers. They're like the people that sell their WoW account after three years because of some patch notes. Pathetic.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:18 am
FlashbackJon They're... uh... posted on the previous page of this thread. wink And without that horrific levels correction, too. Drachyench_The_Eternal 1) Lotsa people are having to give stuff up now for armies. Iron-Warrior armies that had Havocks, Oblits, Tanks, etc now lose not only all the rules that made them different (Sacrifice Fast attack, Siege Specialist, etc), but now can only have three total of all those above. Basilisks seem like they're going away too. Before you whine about it being one army, note, Iron Warriors are very popular in tornaments. The same thing happened with the Removal of Seer councils, Bionics on Dark Angels, Autocannon Space Marines, etc. The shift seems to now be from Iron Warriors to Godzilla 'Nid armies and Vehicle-loaded Eldar armies. Let me translate this for you from 'whining fanboi' to 'average player': "Because it's not the way it was before, it is bad. I fear change and rail against it in favor of status quo at any given opportunity." As a side note, Iron Warriors were very popular in tournaments not because they're an awesome legion (which they are), and not because they are inherently fun to play (which they are), but because they were by far the most easily abusable. So much so, in fact, that many true Iron Warriors fans are actually scared to bring their armies to the table, regardless of composition, for fear of being compared to powergamers and tourney-mongers. All they've lost is that which was most often abused. All they've lost is the flavor of the month - now you'll get to see what a real Iron Warrior player looks like. Quote: 2) Fluff is being butchered. No longer is it the Veterans, Unique demon weapons, etc. It's Generic Demon Weapons, only Veteran skills will be on Khorne Berzerkers (Furious Charge), and Veterans (Infiltrate). Where's Tank-Hunting Iron Warriors? Where's Night Vision Night Lords? Where's All-Infiltrating Alpha Legion? Gone. Worse, Genericizing Chaos units. Yes, an army with 'Chaos' in it's name is going to have more Order then the current Space Marine Codex. Where's the Chaos in that? Hell, all Demon Princes are likely to have the same statline! Fluff isn't being butchered here - in fact, fluff isn't even being touched. Remember what happened last time GW tried to enforce fluff on a Codex -- combat squads, anyone? They got no end to the bitching. Please see this for what it is: a knee-jerk overreaction to alterations in gameplay and nothing more. It's an attempt to dramatize minor losses in one area while completely glossing over any inherent advantages. Games Workshop has NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER made a move from complex to simple, except immediately after the release of third edition. Every single Codex thusfar has been more complex and more chock-full of wargear, special skills, and gameplay options than the one before it. Furthermore, ever since the purging of the Squats, they've gone out of their way to verify that a complete, functional army with an older Codex is still a complete, functional army with a new one. I may not be a fan of GW's pricing strategy or some of their design decisions, but these empty cans that rattle every time a new book comes out are just mindless naysayers. They're like the people that sell their WoW account after three years because of some patch notes. Pathetic.
Now assuming the rumors are true, this new chaos codex is going to ******** some people over. hell you were talking about an infantry based word beareres army that infiltrated. Should the rumors be correct and veteran skills are gone, than that sort of screws that over. Minor example, but still its one.
And I think the thing about fluff getting messed with was more the possible removal of veteran skills and diversity between legions and chaos powers. Generic demons and a stat point change for each type of marine does sort of ignore the fluff. Change or mess with isnt the best choice of words, but rather ignore. But once again thats assuming any of that is even true.
As for your generalization of everyone bitching about codecies, what bitching was there over say the witch hunters and the demon hunters? Or the Tyranids. Also by what youre saying wouldnt you fall into this group of negative nancies you describe as you do make sure to remind people when a new codex comes out that orks still havent gotten one?
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:35 am
Keeeeeeentooooooo I think youre generalizing a good deal here, and also biased due to your pet army not having any changes made for you to talk about. You have sort of this "well at least you have something to b***h about" thing going. No, I just don't b***h about changes until long after they've happened. wink Quote: Now assuming the rumors are true, this new chaos codex is going to ******** some people over. hell you were talking about an infantry based word beareres army that infiltrated. Should the rumors be correct and veteran skills are gone, than that sort of screws that over. Minor example, but still its one. And I think the thing about fluff getting messed with was more the possible removal of veteran skills and diversity between legions and chaos powers. Generic demons and a stat point change for each type of marine does sort of ignore the fluff. Change or mess with isnt the best choice of words, but rather ignore. But once again thats assuming any of that is even true. The point is, all it means is that you're going to have to play differently. Hell, it may even play better, but people b***h because they hate change. HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT. Gamers are some of the WORST folks when it comes to change - we're constantly stuck in our ways, and anything that asks us to step outside our tiny safety blanket ends up as a nasty cheese'n'whine thread on some forum somewhere. Despite generic statlines being a GREAT idea, yeah, it's unfortunate that the Legion lists are going away - but if a player is relying on the Codex to make their army list unique and interesting, perhaps it's time to step back and re-examine the list. The lack of veteran skills is a minor loss - and I have a feeling there's going to be more diversity in its place. Quote: As for your generalization of everyone bitching about codecies, what bitching was there over say the witch hunters and the demon hunters? This is their first Codex. Before this, nothing. There was s**t-TON of bitching about the newest Tyranids Codex. It still goes on, in fact. Quote: Also by what youre saying wouldnt you fall into this group of negative nancies you describe as you do make sure to remind people when a new codex comes out that orks still havent gotten one? That's why I always include the emo every single time I complain about the "plight of the Ork player" - because I'm mocking the whole martyr mentality that seems to be part and parcel of this hobby. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:34 am
Huron Blackheart is a new special model, and he has a powerfistlightningclaw thing with a eye on it.
I think Red Corsairs might be the new Vanilla, seeing as it hasn't always been the Black Legion...If I remember rightly, Night Lords were the big thing before this lot, and before that Khorne played quite a bit?
-Mykal
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