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grey wanderer

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:38 pm


Hey Layra,
Your quote is from my academic grandfather.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:58 pm


I've also started working on my thesis. Yippee skippee. Sorry I haven't been around, I've been going through a rough patch.

Swordmaster Dragon


grey wanderer

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:41 am


Congratulations... welcome back (not that I'm around too terribly much myself these days sad )
Edit:
I just re-read this message and thought I should clarify: The congratulations was in reference to your thesis-- NOT a jab at the rough times you just survived.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:18 pm


Some of you may have seen this proof before, but it was new to me, and I thought it spiffy enough to share a summary:

Proof of the fundamental theorem of algebra (stated as "every complex polynomial has a zero"):

Consider C as a plane.
Consider the usual mapping of R^2 to the sphere S^2 using stereographic projection.
Considered as a map, the complex polynomial P:C->C can be lifted to a smooth map f:S^2->S^2. Assume it's not the zero map.
A point in the domain of f is critical iff the corresponding complex point is a zero of P.
Since S^2 is compact and P is not identically 0, there are only a finite number of critical points.
By the compactness of S^2 all but a finite number of points in the codomain are regular values.
Hence the set of regular values is a connected set.
The map g:S^2 -> | f^{-1}(g)| is locally constant.
Since g is not identically 0 on the regular values, it is nowhere 0.
Hence f is onto.
Hence P is onto.
Hence P has a zero.

Win!

grey wanderer


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:42 pm


That's really cute, grey. heart
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:18 pm


grey wanderer
Congratulations... welcome back (not that I'm around too terribly much myself these days sad )
Edit:
I just re-read this message and thought I should clarify: The congratulations was in reference to your thesis-- NOT a jab at the rough times you just survived.


lol no worries. Things still suck - I have no idea what I'm doing with my life - but I'm pretty sure it's not math and it's not physics. At least I've narrowed things down somewhat.

Also, on your roots proof. You assume that P:C -> C=R^2 has a lift to f:S^2 -> S^2 that is smooth. Doesn't that require that lim_{|z| -> infty} P(z) exists? Otherwise your lift f will be discontinuous. I mean, it doesn't really hurt the proof; you can probably use some slick analytic argument to consider S^2 minus a small open ball around the pole of the stereographic projection, which would still be compact.

The part that I don't get, that I'd really like to get, is why zeroes of P translate into critical points of f. Shouldn't zeroes of P' be critical points?

Swordmaster Dragon


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:56 am


Don't worry, lim_{z->infty}P(z) is complex infinity, which is fine since we're working in S^2.
And f' is a bunch of stuff times derivatives (wrt x and y) of |P|^2, which is 0 if P = 0 but I'm not sure that the converse is true. It's true if P is linear, but I'm not sure for higher degrees.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:41 am


Swordmaster Dragon
grey wanderer
Congratulations... welcome back (not that I'm around too terribly much myself these days sad )
Edit:
I just re-read this message and thought I should clarify: The congratulations was in reference to your thesis-- NOT a jab at the rough times you just survived.


lol no worries. Things still suck - I have no idea what I'm doing with my life - but I'm pretty sure it's not math and it's not physics. At least I've narrowed things down somewhat.

Also, on your roots proof. You assume that P:C -> C=R^2 has a lift to f:S^2 -> S^2 that is smooth. Doesn't that require that lim_{|z| -> infty} P(z) exists? Otherwise your lift f will be discontinuous. I mean, it doesn't really hurt the proof; you can probably use some slick analytic argument to consider S^2 minus a small open ball around the pole of the stereographic projection, which would still be compact.

The part that I don't get, that I'd really like to get, is why zeroes of P translate into critical points of f. Shouldn't zeroes of P' be critical points?

Layra covered the smoothness of the lift, but I made two typos and you caught them... It's the zeros of P' that are the critical points! Not the zeros of P (zeros of degree two or higher are shared by a polynomial and its derivative--- but the polynomial P=3 has no zeros, and yet its derivative has an infinite number of them. Also the statement should read P' is not identically 0... of course-- I should also have stated earlier "assume P is not a constant polynomial". Instead of assume P is not identically zero.

grey wanderer


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:53 am


41 pages. Now to attempt to trim down to 30.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:52 pm


Layra-chan
41 pages. Now to attempt to trim down to 30.


What is this that you're working on?

Swordmaster Dragon


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:16 am


Swordmaster Dragon
Layra-chan
41 pages. Now to attempt to trim down to 30.


What is this that you're working on?


My thesis. It's currently 41 pages, but the guidelines say that over 30 pages is taxing on the readers. So I need to trim.
I'm really not sure how much I can take out.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:33 am


Layra-chan
Swordmaster Dragon
Layra-chan
41 pages. Now to attempt to trim down to 30.


What is this that you're working on?


My thesis. It's currently 41 pages, but the guidelines say that over 30 pages is taxing on the readers. So I need to trim.
I'm really not sure how much I can take out.


0_o I have no idea how I'd ever get mine to be that short. There are times I hate our department, though. They've given us absolutely no guidelines on length, formatting, etc. and no help at all in terms of how we should choose an advisor, topic, second reader, etc.

The grad student I was working for last semester also did her undergrad here, and her thesis was 98 pages. I guess when you write about the Riemann hypothesis, you have a lot to cover.

What's your thesis on?

Swordmaster Dragon


Morberticus

PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:19 am


Layra-chan
Swordmaster Dragon
Layra-chan
41 pages. Now to attempt to trim down to 30.


What is this that you're working on?


My thesis. It's currently 41 pages, but the guidelines say that over 30 pages is taxing on the readers. So I need to trim.
I'm really not sure how much I can take out.


Hmmm... How strict is your university? If what you have is clear, relevant, and informative, then the extra pages shouldn't hurt (I would assume).
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:47 pm


I'm not really worried about it, but I do kind of want to shave it down a bit.

Also, I really, really like dimensional analysis at the moment, considering that I'd forgotten basically every formula taught so far in this physics class but managed to reproduce them using just dimensional analysis (up to dimensionless constants).

Layra-chan
Crew


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:29 pm


Posting this here mainly so I don't lose it again:

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