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 Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:01 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Goldenlici Jesus never said he would physically appear before us. He said he was sending us a helper: the Holy Spirit. And would always be with us in that form. Remember, Jesus isn't a different entity from the Holy Spirit. They are one and the same, just different parts of one being. He also promised to do whatever we asked. Scripture? Again: Read the first post. John 14:14 is when Jesus is talking to Peter. PETER. Not to whoever reads the Bible in general. Hm...That's not the way I read it. And Matthew 18:19?
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:40 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Goldenlici Jesus never said he would physically appear before us. He said he was sending us a helper: the Holy Spirit. And would always be with us in that form. Remember, Jesus isn't a different entity from the Holy Spirit. They are one and the same, just different parts of one being. He also promised to do whatever we asked. Scripture? Again: Read the first post. John 14:14 is when Jesus is talking to Peter. PETER. Not to whoever reads the Bible in general. Hm...That's not the way I read it. And Matthew 18:19? Speaking in parables. If two people who are arguing agree on something, than God will be happy.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:42 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Again: Read the first post. John 14:14 is when Jesus is talking to Peter. PETER. Not to whoever reads the Bible in general. Hm...That's not the way I read it. And Matthew 18:19? Speaking in parables. If two people who are arguing agree on something, than God will be happy. That's not what it says, though. confused
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:26 am
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Again: Read the first post. John 14:14 is when Jesus is talking to Peter. PETER. Not to whoever reads the Bible in general. Hm...That's not the way I read it. And Matthew 18:19? Speaking in parables. If two people who are arguing agree on something, than God will be happy. That's not what it says, though. confused Read it in context: Matthew 18:15 - 20 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:36 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 John 14:14 is when Jesus is talking to Peter. PETER. Not to whoever reads the Bible in general. Hm...That's not the way I read it. And Matthew 18:19? Speaking in parables. If two people who are arguing agree on something, than God will be happy. That's not what it says, though. confused Read it in context: Matthew 18:15 - 20 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I'm afraid I don't understand how that proved your point.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:46 am
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 John 14:14 is when Jesus is talking to Peter. PETER. Not to whoever reads the Bible in general. Hm...That's not the way I read it. And Matthew 18:19? Speaking in parables. If two people who are arguing agree on something, than God will be happy. That's not what it says, though. confused Read it in context: Matthew 18:15 - 20 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I'm afraid I don't understand how that proved your point. In that, he was teaching to his disciples (and whoever else was around). He was giving them a lesson, telling them to not argue.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:37 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Speaking in parables. If two people who are arguing agree on something, than God will be happy. That's not what it says, though. confused Read it in context: Matthew 18:15 - 20 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I'm afraid I don't understand how that proved your point. In that, he was teaching to his disciples (and whoever else was around). He was giving them a lesson, telling them to not argue. But that's not what it says. confused
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:04 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Speaking in parables. If two people who are arguing agree on something, than God will be happy. That's not what it says, though. confused Read it in context: Matthew 18:15 - 20 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I'm afraid I don't understand how that proved your point. In that, he was teaching to his disciples (and whoever else was around). He was giving them a lesson, telling them to not argue. But that's not what it says. confused In context there are parables being told around them. This is yet another parable. Don't you understand that??? Why do you even care??? Stop being so pessimistic. Stop looking at the bad things in the religion and start looking at the good. That's what so many people these days do (i was going to say Americans, but I have no idea if you are or not)
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:08 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Read it in context: Matthew 18:15 - 20 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I'm afraid I don't understand how that proved your point. In that, he was teaching to his disciples (and whoever else was around). He was giving them a lesson, telling them to not argue. But that's not what it says. confused In context there are parables being told around them. This is yet another parable. Don't you understand that??? Why do you even care??? Stop being so pessimistic. Stop looking at the bad things in the religion and start looking at the good. That's what so many people these days do (i was going to say Americans, but I have no idea if you are or not) Why would you say Americans instead of people? neutral I am a citizen of the United States of America, and damn proud of it. *Theme song from Team America xd * I take things in the way I see them. I recognise the good qualities of religion, but discussing those with you would be rather boring, wouldn't it? Hence, I discuss the aforementioned bad qualities of religion with you. Overall, though, I find many religions to be tantalizingly inapplicable to this modern age, and thus useless except for the discussion of history.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:33 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Read it in context: Matthew 18:15 - 20 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I'm afraid I don't understand how that proved your point. In that, he was teaching to his disciples (and whoever else was around). He was giving them a lesson, telling them to not argue. But that's not what it says. confused In context there are parables being told around them. This is yet another parable. Don't you understand that??? Why do you even care??? Stop being so pessimistic. Stop looking at the bad things in the religion and start looking at the good. That's what so many people these days do (i was going to say Americans, but I have no idea if you are or not) Why would you say Americans instead of people? neutral I am a citizen of the United States of America, and damn proud of it. *Theme song from Team America xd * I take things in the way I see them. I recognise the good qualities of religion, but discussing those with you would be rather boring, wouldn't it? Hence, I discuss the aforementioned bad qualities of religion with you. Overall, though, I find many religions to be tantalizingly inapplicable to this modern age, and thus useless except for the discussion of history. Inapplicable because you have no faith. You have morals, yet you believe that they come from a different source instead of the Bible. and yes, discussing the good qualities would be boring.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:47 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 In that, he was teaching to his disciples (and whoever else was around). He was giving them a lesson, telling them to not argue. But that's not what it says. confused In context there are parables being told around them. This is yet another parable. Don't you understand that??? Why do you even care??? Stop being so pessimistic. Stop looking at the bad things in the religion and start looking at the good. That's what so many people these days do (i was going to say Americans, but I have no idea if you are or not) Why would you say Americans instead of people? neutral I am a citizen of the United States of America, and damn proud of it. *Theme song from Team America xd * I take things in the way I see them. I recognise the good qualities of religion, but discussing those with you would be rather boring, wouldn't it? Hence, I discuss the aforementioned bad qualities of religion with you. Overall, though, I find many religions to be tantalizingly inapplicable to this modern age, and thus useless except for the discussion of history. Inapplicable because you have no faith. You have morals, yet you believe that they come from a different source instead of the Bible. and yes, discussing the good qualities would be boring. I agree with every statement there. You believe them to be applicable. However, I believe that every benefit reaped from religion is made possible through other means. Yes, including even spiritual fulfillment. That's all a matter of opinion. I don't even really care about religion unless it causes harm to people outside of it. Which it has done countless times. Take for instance, my friend's friend (I'd met him twice. I didn't know him too well), who committed suicide earlier this year because his mother did not react too well to him being homosexual. Or another girl I actually know, who is now living at her friend's house because she's 18 and lesbian, so her parents kicked her out of the house. And then there are all the deaths and inhumanities it's caused...But besides those negatives, religion is mostly harmless and I understand that it can be very fulfilling to people.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:33 am
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 In that, he was teaching to his disciples (and whoever else was around). He was giving them a lesson, telling them to not argue. But that's not what it says. confused In context there are parables being told around them. This is yet another parable. Don't you understand that??? Why do you even care??? Stop being so pessimistic. Stop looking at the bad things in the religion and start looking at the good. That's what so many people these days do (i was going to say Americans, but I have no idea if you are or not) Why would you say Americans instead of people? neutral I am a citizen of the United States of America, and damn proud of it. *Theme song from Team America xd * I take things in the way I see them. I recognise the good qualities of religion, but discussing those with you would be rather boring, wouldn't it? Hence, I discuss the aforementioned bad qualities of religion with you. Overall, though, I find many religions to be tantalizingly inapplicable to this modern age, and thus useless except for the discussion of history. Inapplicable because you have no faith. You have morals, yet you believe that they come from a different source instead of the Bible. and yes, discussing the good qualities would be boring. I agree with every statement there. You believe them to be applicable. However, I believe that every benefit reaped from religion is made possible through other means. Yes, including even spiritual fulfillment.quote] (NOTE: I deleted the rest of the post because I wasn't going to argue against it) Every benefit except having something higher, transcended, to go to when you are weak and tired. That and faith. I have seen your arguments countless times. In every single one, you go to logic and worldly views. You do not understand faith.
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