|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:38 pm
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:54 pm
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:07 pm
I noticed sometimes the navigation links aren't there.
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:58 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:39 pm
Random question meant to entertain anyone who might be hanging around here (like the apparently going-insane mods...?).
Does anyone else notice the huge difference in the number of beta'd fanfics and the number of beta'd original fics out on the web (in places such as FP or FFN)? Yet in similar communities to this one (like the old LJ one I looked at), it seems that everyone's willing to beta original fic. And, yeah, sure there's probably more fanfic out there than original fic, but even accounting for that, the difference in percentages still seems to be a huge gap.
...so if so many people are willing to beta original fic...whereas it's harder to get a beta for a specific fandom, usually...why are there less beta'd amateur original fics out there?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:14 am
I think, you just made my brain hurt.
I suppose... it's because fanfic has very little leeway in characterisation. So you need someone to tell you so and so is OOC and that while you're at it, you spelled this wrong.
Whereas you can get away with things like that in original fic.
However, people willing to look at original stuff tend to die away after seeing so much original stuff.
I think that's sometimes the case. I know hanging in the main Writers forum for a while turned me off fantasy for a while.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:08 pm
Woopsie, sorry? cool
Hmm, the first thought would seem to imply that it's just the fault of the writers--which is my general belief. But as I ponder that beta's might just get quickly burnt out...ouch.
That would make for a vicious cycle. An original fic gamma goes looking for a beta. They (maybe) find one, and the beta betas, but then gets burnt out. No more beta for the gamma, and the gamma's work doesn't improve. Other gamma's see the standard and don't improve their work. Meanwhile, the few that want to rise through the help of a beta find the beta is burnt out, and so go back to their not-so-great writing, which just turns off any cautiously interested beta even more.
Dang.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:26 pm
Most of the stuff I go over is fan fiction. Also, when you think about it, not many people will know every series well enough to feel comfortable. I know much more about the Fullmetal Alchemist series than the Bleach one simply because I recently started liking Bleach.
Then there are the pairings. Some pairings, I'm totally turned off on especially OCxcanon pairings. I won't read CloudxTifa or EdxWinry fics, but at the same time, it doesn't mean I would bash or hate their fics. I simply don't read it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:36 pm
But if most betas are restricted in fanfic like that...then why isn't there a higher percentage of beta'd original fic?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:38 pm
*shrugs* Maybe some people prefer fan fiction? I have no clue. I'm willing to do original; however, I prefer fan fiction. Not sure about the other people.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:26 am
I think it is the burning out thing.
There's only so many cliched ideas and storylines you can take before you can quit.
Also, with fanfiction, I think the process of beta-ing is less strenuous. You don't need to CONSTANTLY develop characters or keep them within imaginary constraints of character.
Plus, beta-ing sounds a bit... non-professional for original fic. Some people prefer using the word 'edited' or the phrase 'looked over'.
So I suppose it's the entire process of finding someone fresh and working with them and then admitting to needing someone to look over your work which will definitely drive away some of the amatuer writers who want the fame from getting a beta. And then the more serious ones have to contend with burnt out betas.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:01 pm
With fan fiction, you don't have to learn the characters unless they introduce an all OC cast, which I don't understand. I don't know why people write fan fiction without the canon characters, but that's just me. Some don't like using the canon characters, because they don't want to mess up their characteristics or personality.
With originals, you have to learn the characters, the setting, and everything else.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:21 pm
Silly original ficcers and their pride.
I guess that the reassurance of knowing that you at least like the general idea would lend to people being more willing to beta fanfic. But, then, that makes me wonder at the sheer number of people who advertise that they'll beta original fic. Maybe they just reject such offers as they come up...
(Uugh, all OC casts. The only way I can understand that is if you've got a storyline with history lasting over hundreds of years, and then people wanting to write about a period that hasn't been well-detailed in Canon character-wise. But, still...)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:02 am
Or maybe characters you know are there, just haven't been explored. At all.
Like with simple division members in Bleach or regular villagers in Naruto. (Sometime, I want to write about a blacksmith who has to fashion all those shuriken and kunai)
And even with things like Tortall in Tamora Pierce's works, you could do stuff about the god and goddess of turtles or maybe Alanna's great-grandfather.
It's going to end up weird... but at least you know they were/are canon, even if you haven't seen them.
There should be a name for that kind of fic....
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:23 am
You said it better than me. I was sorta trying to allude to the 'they're there, but they're not explained' thing...um...yeah. 'Off-scene characters', perhaps. OSC fics. Cool! I invented a new acronym!
Most Pirates of the Caribbean fanfic, for example, makes me weep. I would swear that at least a third--maybe even half--of the fics archived on Fanfiction.net are OC-centric, and sooo many of them are self-inserts. As in...most.
I get that Orlando Bloom is hot, and Jack Sparrow is an amazingly cool character, but, why? Ugh.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
