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 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:55 pm
^the only upgrade they have done that iive noticed is that they removed the wych weapon ... uhm, what is it called? ahh, net ^^
it was really usefull (i thougth) in the second codex edition...
one thing i have as a problem rigth now is that all of my friends got units that i cant kill... they have lot of vehicles and super armored freaks....
come on, my wych lord with a nigthfield against one of the marines heroes? or was it a commander.. meh... you must excuse me im kinda whiny for the moment ^^
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:09 pm
Quote: Zolah PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: ^the only upgrade they have done that iive noticed is that they removed the wych weapon ... uhm, what is it called? ahh, net ^^ it was really usefull (i thougth) in the second codex edition... one thing i have as a problem rigth now is that all of my friends got units that i cant kill... they have lot of vehicles and super armored freaks.... come on, my wych lord with a nigthfield against one of the marines heroes? or was it a commander.. meh... you must excuse me im kinda whiny for the moment ^^ I understand. Try using an Agoniser on your Archite, and give your wyches Blasters. After all, the codex does say you can. And you only need one model in your squad with A wych weapon to make benefit of the rule. I also understand about the whiny part, my brother, Dreadlime, and myself just played A game of Necromunda in which my brother decided to change his list mid-game. It really pissed me off. Anyway, try using the blasters, they really do come in handy.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:15 am
im always using agoniser but one hero is soooo god damn.. argh! he re-rolls any misses.. and he has a evil invurnable save.. i cant remember his name. last time i met him i had 7 helions and lillith herperax hitting on him! the game went on for hours... i had killed every one from his squads only that hero remained... =_=
he aslo had somekind of sniper i killed quickly , cause he thougth that my little squad of warp beasts where very threatening (but he doesnt know if he had shot the beastmaster they would problebly attack my own units)
thast the biggest provlem with a wych army... but now when i get a transport i can get to the enemys units faster!
and i onlys got about 2 wych models with blasters... crying
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:23 am
Quote: Zolah PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: im always using agoniser but one hero is soooo god damn.. argh! he re-rolls any misses.. and he has a evil invurnable save.. i cant remember his name. last time i met him i had 7 helions and lillith herperax hitting on him! the game went on for hours... i had killed every one from his squads only that hero remained... =_= he aslo had somekind of sniper i killed quickly , cause he thougth that my little squad of warp beasts where very threatening (but he doesnt know if he had shot the beastmaster they would problebly attack my own units) thast the biggest provlem with a wych army... but now when i get a transport i can get to the enemys units faster! and i onlys got about 2 wych models with blasters... icon_crying.gif Two words. Shadow Shield. 2+ Invulnerable save.If you want, I can give you the stats for an archite that will be able to wipe the field of anything, even A Nightbringer or Emperor's Champion in close combat. I know, I have removed both from the field of play with the Archon variant. And we all know the Archite is far more dangerous.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:29 am
Relkin9 Quote: Zolah PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: im always using agoniser but one hero is soooo god damn.. argh! he re-rolls any misses.. and he has a evil invurnable save.. i cant remember his name. last time i met him i had 7 helions and lillith herperax hitting on him! the game went on for hours... i had killed every one from his squads only that hero remained... =_= he aslo had somekind of sniper i killed quickly , cause he thougth that my little squad of warp beasts where very threatening (but he doesnt know if he had shot the beastmaster they would problebly attack my own units) thast the biggest provlem with a wych army... but now when i get a transport i can get to the enemys units faster! and i onlys got about 2 wych models with blasters... icon_crying.gif Two words. Shadow Shield. 2+ Invulnerable save.If you want, I can give you the stats for an archite that will be able to wipe the field of anything, even A Nightbringer or Emperor's Champion in close combat. I know, I have removed both from the field of play with the Archon variant. And we all know the Archite is far more dangerous. the problm with that unvulrnable save is if you fail once then the field dont work anylonger, thats kinda sad sad got the badest luck with dices... you mean taht you can equip your retinue?
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:33 am
Quote: Zolah PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: Relkin9 wrote: Quote: Zolah PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: im always using agoniser but one hero is soooo god damn.. argh! he re-rolls any misses.. and he has a evil invurnable save.. i cant remember his name. last time i met him i had 7 helions and lillith herperax hitting on him! the game went on for hours... i had killed every one from his squads only that hero remained... =_= he aslo had somekind of sniper i killed quickly , cause he thougth that my little squad of warp beasts where very threatening (but he doesnt know if he had shot the beastmaster they would problebly attack my own units) thast the biggest provlem with a wych army... but now when i get a transport i can get to the enemys units faster! and i onlys got about 2 wych models with blasters... icon_crying.gif Two words. Shadow Shield. 2+ Invulnerable save.If you want, I can give you the stats for an archite that will be able to wipe the field of anything, even A Nightbringer or Emperor's Champion in close combat. I know, I have removed both from the field of play with the Archon variant. And we all know the Archite is far more dangerous. the problm with that unvulrnable save is if you fail once then the field dont work anylonger, thats kinda sad icon_sad.gif got the badest luck with dices... you mean taht you can equip your retinue? Weel, you can give the Incubi Master 100 points worth of extra equipment, but what I meant was just on your Archite. IT is possible to get up to, if not over 7 attacks A turn, capable of doing damage on A 4+ on every attack. I know, I got A 1 turn kill on A Nightbringer once.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:37 am
Quote: Well, you can give the Incubi Master 100 points worth of extra equipment, but what I meant was just on your Archite. IT is possible to get up to, if not over 7 attacks A turn, capable of doing damage on A 4+ on every attack. I know, I got A 1 turn kill on A Nightbringer once. Frosty's Greatest accomplishment. Followed by tearing A space marine army apart almost singlehandedly. She died before my brother retreated though. crying crying crying crying
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:45 am
Relkin9 Quote: Well, you can give the Incubi Master 100 points worth of extra equipment, but what I meant was just on your Archite. IT is possible to get up to, if not over 7 attacks A turn, capable of doing damage on A 4+ on every attack. I know, I got A 1 turn kill on A Nightbringer once. Frosty's Greatest accomplishment. Followed by tearing A space marine army apart almost singlehandedly. She died before my brother retreated though. crying crying crying crying Okeeey O_O omg, but its one problem.. i cant find the incubi in the book =_= isnt it those that have lke a white mask? and im not sure if i can use it as a wych army
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:50 am
Quote: Zolah Okeeey O_O omg, but its one problem.. i cant find the incubi in the book =_= isnt it those that have lke a white mask? and im not sure if i can use it as a wych army I forgot. crying You cannot take Incubi can you. That is not A problem though.You can still do massive damage with your Archite. Just outfit it properly, and you will be set to go. Besides, you get something almost better than Incubi. You get A Wych retinue.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:15 am
Relkin, just a reminder because I don't think you read it the first time I posted it....The Nightbringer doesn't allow invlunerable saves and he instant kills you when he hits you, so don't rely on that....it looks like the person you where playing with didn't know his rules.
Taking an archon up against a C'tan is suicide, if nothing else the c'tan can just push you back out of combat before you get any attacks...just giving you a heads up, chief smile
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:50 am
Jerhien Relkin, just a reminder because I don't think you read it the first time I posted it....The Nightbringer doesn't allow invlunerable saves and he instant kills you when he hits you, so don't rely on that....it looks like the person you where playing with didn't know his rules. Taking an archon up against a C'tan is suicide, if nothing else the c'tan can just push you back out of combat before you get any attacks...just giving you a heads up, chief smile What about Abbadon? I will move this talk to Chaos or Necrons if we want to go into more detail.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:26 pm
Quote: Jerhien PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:15 am Post subject: Relkin, just a reminder because I don't think you read it the first time I posted it....The Nightbringer doesn't allow invlunerable saves and he instant kills you when he hits you, so don't rely on that....it looks like the person you where playing with didn't know his rules. Taking an archon up against a C'tan is suicide, if nothing else the c'tan can just push you back out of combat before you get any attacks...just giving you a heads up, chief icon_smile.gif And I have already said I know that. It was A 1 off between my brother's Nightbringer and Frosty. The first one, he just kept on blowing my Archon back, and then using his Gaze, but it did no damage, Stalemate. We got sick of it around turn 6. So we went with starting the battle in close combat. His nightbringer missed every time, and my Archon hit 6(I think), and wounded 5.He failed all his saves. And under the new rules, he still has to roll to do damage. But yes, I do understand that he Ignores ALL armour saves. Him and those damn Pariahs. scream
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:20 pm
As to Zolah's problem. You still have the option of taking Hell Masks and any number of other pieces of equipment. Just look through the codex. There are any number of things to help turn the battle in your favor. Try giving your Wyches Wicked(?) Talismans. They help against most everything. As to Jerhien, I did read it, you just assumed that the Shadow Shield played A part in my brother's Nightbringer being killed. It did not. The fact that he rolled low, I rolled medium did though. Under the right cicumstances, A single space marine could do so as well.
Oh, one other thing Zolah. I might be wrong about not being able to take Incubi in A Wych army. I will have to look it up again when I get home.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:11 am
Relkin9 As to Zolah's problem. You still have the option of taking Hell Masks and any number of other pieces of equipment. Just look through the codex. There are any number of things to help turn the battle in your favor. Try giving your Wyches Wicked(?) Talismans. They help against most everything. As to Jerhien, I did read it, you just assumed that the Shadow Shield played A part in my brother's Nightbringer being killed. It did not. The fact that he rolled low, I rolled medium did though. Under the right cicumstances, A single space marine could do so as well. Oh, one other thing Zolah. I might be wrong about not being able to take Incubi in A Wych army. I will have to look it up again when I get home. oh i read about them, they looked really intresting. it can be quite intresting modelling options too (hehe, evilish masks ^^) i also looked in the codex about the incubi but its so uncertain, its a big different between the first codex and the second... stare
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:49 am
Quote: Zolah oh i read about them, they looked really intresting. it can be quite intresting modelling options too (hehe, evilish masks ^^) i also looked in the codex about the incubi but its so uncertain, its a big different between the first codex and the second... Quote: Yeah, they do offer A good bit of modelling options. And the codex is not entirely straightforward about how you can use them. In the version I have, under the fluff to the side, it says they always accompany A Dark Eldar Lord. But then, going with other things, you could feasibly take them as an HQ in and of themselves. As I said, I will have to look in my codex when I get home.
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