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 Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:17 pm
Reyairia Unfortunately, you're not looking at it in the same way I am. You are looking at NARUTO as if it were real life, not as if it were a fictional story. If you take English classes at school, you wouldn't say something about the novel you would be studying the same way. I am. And like a good literature analyst, I don't look at what would be more realistic, but at the symbolism and metaphors. Yes, it is true that Sakura could be mature and still love Sasuke in a realistic way, but a good author would not do that, especially a symbolism-lover like Kishimoto. I still haven't nailed all of the things he's put. confused
The thing is, the vast majority if not all of Sakura's character development revolves around getting over Sasuke. Sakura coming this far getting over him, looking ahead and stopping being a fangirl only to end up with him in the end? It doesn't make any sense really.
Ah, Sakura's confession. Only too easy to argue against. That scene where Sakura was ready to give up everything to go with Sasuke was an act of "school-girl crush immaturity, if you ever read A Hero of Our Time in English class and analyze it well enough you'll understand what I'm talking about (Princess Mary). If those were mature feelings of someone older, she would have not done something like that, in fact, she would have never fallen of Sasuke at all to begin with.
Crying by his side? Anybody that would have cared for Sasuke would have done the same, that scene is more than likely insignificant for SasuSaku except that Naruto has given up his crush on her and only teases her in Part 2. (Its so hard to hate both pairings)
Yes, I'm pretty sure it was Sasuke's leaving that made Sakura mature, and in a way, that could easily mean that Sakura with Sasuke = immature Sakura in symbolistic terms and further proves my point that SasuSaku does not make sense. Naruto has done exactly the same thing for Sasuke, if not even more. Naruto defeats Sakura in that department, sorry. And even so, I don't think SasuNaru will ever happen either simply because its BL. Sakura became mature to help Naruto, the main character, get Sasuke back, not to marry/date Sasuke.
Hell, in fact, excluding the fight with Ino, all 3 times where Sakura has really seriously shown her power had something to do with the Sand Siblings.
1. Stepping in front of Sasuke when Gaara was about to kill him.
2. Healing Kankuro.
3. Helping kill Sasori to rescue Gaara, who also happened to be from Suna.
- Sasuke holds Sakura down.
- Sand siblings bring Sakura up.
- Naruto keeps Sakura up.
Eat that. xp
How can you say that Sakura's development revolves around getting over Sasuke when there hasn't been any solid evidence that she's over him? Her feelings for him are still unknown up until this point. She could be over him, then again, she could still like/love him. No one really knows right now.
The same can be said for a lot of other characters' feelings as well. Lee's for Sakura? Kishimoto hasn't given any evidence that Lee still likes her. Naruto's for Sakura? Like for Lee, no evidence; the dates? .. That's more like a joke. Hinata's for Naruto? That one time she was shown. What I'm getting at is, Kishimoto said he would like to add romance in Part II, but.. he hasn't shown much of any with the younger characters.
Sakura's for Sasuke? The only evidence I've gathered that could mean that she still likes him is when she punched Sai for insulting him, and the reaction she gave when she first saw him at Orochimaru's hideout. He dedicated a page to show her reaction; and zoomed in on her eyes twice. Pure shock? Of course. Returning feelings? Maybe.
Comparing two different works by two completely different creators isn't fair judgment. Sakura and 'Princess Mary' are two different characters. And I'm going to still argue about this, and go on saying it was not an act of "school-girl crush immaturity." Kishimoto made this scene dramatic and heart-breaking for a reason. She was willing to leave behind her family, Naruto, Kakashi, Ino, everything, to assist him in killing another human being. It was her last attempt, so she said what she did because she didn't want to lose him.
This is an excerpt from Sakura's page in the second databook, written by Kishimoto himself:Quote: (pg. 134) A parting with a loved one that tears at her heart. (Pic of Sakura) “How is it you never say anything, why do you always say nothing to me…” Sasuke left the Leaf Village. Sakura’s heart did not reach him. Naturally lonely and peace loving, for Sakura, the loss of one teammate causes her great pain. Thus, if that person is someone she loves, the pain is greater. So she shouts out her love which goes unheeded, squeezing the words out of her throat. It’s as if this is her imprisoning destiny.
Sakura seriously showed her power during the bell test. And when she healed Naruto. And when she moved to attack Sasuke.
Sasuke doesn't bring Sakura down, either. This is a passage taken from Sakura's profile in a Naruto anime profiles book, also written by Kishimoto:
"Sakura's goal is to have Sasuke notice her - for him to turn around and really see her - so that he might fall in love. Little does she realize that this goal acts as a powerful weapon in her arsenal, constantly motivating her to sharpen her skills as a shinobi so she can impress Sasuke during every task and mission."
Naturally, that was before he left; but even now, mainly because of Sasuke she is becoming stronger.
Something else Kishimoto wrote in the second databook:
"Her passion for Sasuke is unchanging."
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:04 am
kairi.nin Part of me wants to say you're looking into the story too much. Naruto isn't some complex novel that Kishimoto wants us to analyze and get all technical about. I'm sure he created it for people like us to enjoy, so most things are out in the open; they should be obvious. Negative. In fact, there's so much symbolism in it that I can't keep track of it. Kishimoto is a sneaky guy and I remember that he mentioned things even I couldn't nail when I saw it. I'm not overanalyzing anything, I just learn in school.
kairi.nin How can you say that Sakura's development revolves around getting over Sasuke when there hasn't been any solid evidence that she's over him? Her feelings for him are still unknown up until this point. She could be over him, then again, she could still like/love him. No one really knows right now. If she did, she would have never accepted going on a date with Naruto.
kairi.nin The same can be said for a lot of other characters' feelings as well. Lee's for Sakura? Kishimoto hasn't given any evidence that Lee still likes her. Naruto's for Sakura? Like for Lee, no evidence; the dates? .. That's more like a joke. Hinata's for Naruto? That one time she was shown. What I'm getting at is, Kishimoto said he would like to add romance in Part II, but.. he hasn't shown much of any with the younger characters. I agree with that, but that doesn't mean anything. Just because it isn't blunt, I mean, for example: InoCho has been hinted a lot so far, but because it isn't blunt outright very few people see it and come out spewing SaiIno crap even though I can shoot that pairing down as something that will never happen. And why? Because that so called "hint" was blunt.
kairi.nin Sakura's for Sasuke? The only evidence I've gathered that could mean that she still likes him is when she punched Sai for insulting him, and the reaction she gave when she first saw him at Orochimaru's hideout. He dedicated a page to show her reaction; and zoomed in on her eyes twice. Pure shock? Of course. Returning feelings? Maybe. Negative again. Naruto had the exact same reaction. The reason why Sai was shocked was because Sakura used the same "smile to conceal feelings" tactic that he uses against him.
The reason why it seemed to effect Sakura? I could easily argue that this is the part she stops loving him too but I won't becuase I don't really need to. Sakura had not seen "evil" Sasuke yet, Naruto already had, so seeing Sasuke this way didn't effect him. Sakura however, had not seen Sasuke since their parting and therefore it shocked her right then.
kairi.nin Comparing two different works by two completely different creators isn't fair judgment. Sakura and 'Princess Mary' are two different characters. And I'm going to still argue about this, and go on saying it was not an act of "school-girl crush immaturity." Kishimoto made this scene dramatic and heart-breaking for a reason. She was willing to leave behind her family, Naruto, Kakashi, Ino, everything, to assist him in killing another human being. It was her last attempt, so she said what she did because she didn't want to lose him. I'm not comparing the two works, I'm using that specific work as an example.
The scene was indeed heartbreaking, but it wasn't a SasuSaku moment, it was a Team 7 moment. That's the reason why it was heartbreaking plus knowing that NARUTO is aimed at young boys. The reason Kishimoto stuck Sakura there was so that Naruto would receive the news and the shock later and so that Sasuke could get away with the Sound 5 in time and make it meaningful to Team 7 at the same time.
kairi.nin This is an excerpt from Sakura's page in the second databook, written by Kishimoto himself:Quote: (pg. 134) A parting with a loved one that tears at her heart. (Pic of Sakura) “How is it you never say anything, why do you always say nothing to me…” Sasuke left the Leaf Village. Sakura’s heart did not reach him. Naturally lonely and peace loving, for Sakura, the loss of one teammate causes her great pain. Thus, if that person is someone she loves, the pain is greater. So she shouts out her love which goes unheeded, squeezing the words out of her throat. It’s as if this is her imprisoning destiny. [/blue] I know that Sakura had feelings for Sasuke, but they're not requited.
kairi.nin Sakura with Sasuke does NOT = immature Sakura. Sakura was far from immature when she jumped in front of Gaara to protect Sasuke; and even way back in Episode 33. Again, she risked her life for Sasuke. He was being evil and unpredictable, and even with the obvious knowledge that he could very well turn on her and kill her, she begged him to stop and wrapped her arms around him. The markings receded because of her.. and that scene is where most people get the 'Sakura is Sasuke's cure' thing from. Unfortunately, there's already a mountainload of evidence suggesting that Sasuke's savior is going to be Naruto, you know, the main character?
Besides, Sakura is already a ninja by this point, and any would have done the same that cares for him. I accept that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke at the beginning, I do not accept that they're mature.
kairi.nin Sasuke doesn't bring Sakura down, either. This is a passage taken from Sakura's profile in a Naruto anime profiles book, also written by Kishimoto:
"Sakura's goal is to have Sasuke notice her - for him to turn around and really see her - so that he might fall in love. Little does she realize that this goal acts as a powerful weapon in her arsenal, constantly motivating her to sharpen her skills as a shinobi so she can impress Sasuke during every task and mission." Same goes for Naruto, and even so, she's still highly overshadowed by Sasuke and Naruto. Too bad Naruto won Sasuke's attention instead of her. Remember the so-called "love triangle" Kishimoto mentioned? Sakura competed with Naruto for Sasuke's attention, and in the Sasuke Retrieval ARK you can see that Naruto beat her to it. Her efforts to get Sasuke's attention and love in Part1 were in vain.
kairi.nin Naturally, that was before he left; but even now, mainly because of Sasuke she is becoming stronger.
Something else Kishimoto wrote in the second databook:
"Her passion for Sasuke is unchanging." If there's something I've noticed after reading and researching game manuals and handbooks is to never trust them translators, especially if translated from Japanese. Another thing I've noticed is that in Japanese, the word for "love" seems to be exactly the same for "attention". It could only so easily be confusion. Even if it were true, its time she realized she lost. Don't be confused though, I am in no way arguing SasuNaru, in fact, I hate all Team pairings with the exception of InoCho. But in a symbolic sense, all the above is enough to tell me that SasuSaku has been thwarted along with NaruSaku - which I could also argue against. SasuNaru makes the most sense, but it will never happen because its BL involving the main character. Therefore, Team7 pairings are doomed, a romantic relationship excludes one member, and I find that unfair. Poor Naruto.
Besides, Kishimoto is constantly changing his mind. I remember him mentioning that Yugito would have an important role in the story and last time I checked she was about to be drained from her biju and killed. =/
-waits for the SasuSakuers that make a large portion of this guild to attack her-
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:43 pm
Reyairia If she did, she would have never accepted going on a date with Naruto.
Reyairia I agree with that, but that doesn't mean anything. Just because it isn't blunt, I mean, for example: InoCho has been hinted a lot so far, but because it isn't blunt outright very few people see it and come out spewing SaiIno crap even though I can shoot that pairing down as something that will never happen. And why? Because that so called "hint" was blunt. Reyairia I'm not comparing the two works, I'm using that specific work as an example.
The scene was indeed heartbreaking, but it wasn't a SasuSaku moment, it was a Team 7 moment. That's the reason why it was heartbreaking plus knowing that NARUTO is aimed at young boys. The reason Kishimoto stuck Sakura there was so that Naruto would receive the news and the shock later and so that Sasuke could get away with the Sound 5 in time and make it meaningful to Team 7 at the same time.
Reyairia I know that Sakura had feelings for Sasuke, but they're not requited.
Sakura's feelings may not have been requited, but at least he cared for her as a close friend.. before the time-skip. Now he just needs to get some sense knocked into him.Reyairia Unfortunately, there's already a mountainload of evidence suggesting that Sasuke's savior is going to be Naruto, you know, the main character?
Besides, Sakura is already a ninja by this point, and any would have done the same that cares for him. I accept that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke at the beginning, I do not accept that they're mature.
Well, Ino didn't do anything. Naruto, had he been conscious, probably would have yelled and tackled him or something like that. But Sakura hugged him, and Kishimoto did put a lot of emphasis on that scene.Reyairia Same goes for Naruto, and even so, she's still highly overshadowed by Sasuke and Naruto. Too bad Naruto won Sasuke's attention instead of her. Remember the so-called "love triangle" Kishimoto mentioned? Sakura competed with Naruto for Sasuke's attention, and in the Sasuke Retrieval ARK you can see that Naruto beat her to it. Her efforts to get Sasuke's attention and love in Part1 were in vain. Reyairia If there's something I've noticed after reading and researching game manuals and handbooks is to never trust them translators, especially if translated from Japanese. Another thing I've noticed is that in Japanese, the word for "love" seems to be exactly the same for "attention". It could only so easily be confusion. Even if it were true, its time she realized she lost. Don't be confused though, I am in no way arguing SasuNaru, in fact, I hate all Team pairings with the exception of InoCho. But in a symbolic sense, all the above is enough to tell me that SasuSaku has been thwarted along with NaruSaku - which I could also argue against. SasuNaru makes the most sense, but it will never happen because its BL involving the main character. Therefore, Team7 pairings are doomed, a romantic relationship excludes one member, and I find that unfair. Poor Naruto.
I wouldn't say any pairings are doomed quite yet. Since the series is still going on, I think anything is possible, and with the way Kishimoto writes sometimes.. the plot's kind of a loose-canon right now. He can change his mind at any given moment.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:13 pm
kairi.nin What, people can't go out on 'dates' with their 'friends'? And that seemed like a comedic moment. She said, "Fine, as long as you're paying," [or something along those lines] and before he could even finish the word 'date.' I don't think that counts. Why not? Sakura knew that it was a date, and before the timeskip she wouldn't have ever accepted going on a date with Naruto, him paying or not - and if not, then I'm pretty sure she would have gone the same, she's not a using b***h kind of girl at all. Besides, last time I checked, friends hanged out, not went on dates.
kairi.nin I would agree with you, if it wasn't for Sakura confessing her feelings, Sasuke calling her annoying, and Sasuke thanking her. It was a Team 7 moment, but it was also a SasuSaku moment. If Naruto had actually been there, I would definitely think of it as a Team 7 moment; but he wasn't. It was just Sasuke and Sakura. It was a one-sided SasuSaku moment, you could say. However, if it were a SasuSaku moment, Sasuke would have not left to begin with. Why wasn't Naruto present? I specifically said that if he was, the Sasuke Retrieval ARK wouldn't have happened. Sakura told Sasuke that she loved him but Sasuke still left. If it did have some meaning to him, it wasn't enough.
kairi.nin I'm not going to be a delusional fool and say Sasuke loved her, definitely, but I will say.. it was a possibility. He could have loved her at one point, but might have simply not known what to do with those feelings. After all, he had spent so many years by himself, God knows what it was like to have her shouting that she loved him.
Sakura's feelings may not have been requited, but at least he cared for her as a close friend.. before the time-skip. Now he just needs to get some sense knocked into him. He could have, but you have no proof and everything he has said has gone against it. In Part1, Sakura was no different with her feelings for Sasuke than Ino at all, and Sasuke seemed to have taken a lot to heart that Sakura could not understand the loneliness of not having a family and that she was degrading Naruto in his favor - That moment when Sakura insisted that it was Sasuke that saved her from Gaara, degrading Naruto for it, that's when I really hated SasuSaku, and I don't think Sasuke's feelings were much different.
Besides, if anything, Sasuke reacted to the words "I love you", not Sakura saying that. He probably would have reacted the exact same way if anyone else had said it.
kairi.nin But having Naruto and only Naruto be his savior would be so.. predictable. Kishimoto might actually be planning something else, but like you said, there's a mountain-load of evidence.. however, I personally think it's going to be Naruto, Sakura, -and- Kakashi who save Sasuke. The whole team thing. I mean, they have all already tried individually, and Naruto and Sakura have tried, but they have yet to try together. Then again, that could just be something completely pointless that I happened to pick up on..
Well, Ino didn't do anything. Naruto, had he been conscious, probably would have yelled and tackled him or something like that. But Sakura hugged him, and Kishimoto did put a lot of emphasis on that scene. While it was mentioned that yes, they'd do it together, I don't think Neji's line of "Only you can save Sasuke" was in vain. Naruto is the main character, and shonen manga are generally predictable. Yes, I believe it will be the team, but Naruto will have the prime role.
Of course it was emphasis, she was the only one that could reach him at that moment before the seal went over, or should I say, Sasuke chose to have the seal and submit to its power after the battle with Gaara and Sakura's phrase right there I mentioned before. I think that at that special moment is when SasuSaku went down the drain even more for me. I still don't see how Naruto tackling Sasuke could not have the same emphasis if not even more, and the reason Ino didn't do anything is because she isn't Sasuke's teammate and therefore isn't as close to him as Sakura was. I could easily bet that if it were Ino that was chosen to be in Naruto's and Sasuke's group, she would have done the same and you'd be arguing SasuIno instead of SasuSaku.
kairi.nin Naturally she's overshadowed, because Naruto and Sasuke are the two main characters; they're rivals, and since the story revolves around Naruto, and Sasuke is his best friend.. well, yeah. Sakura was basically left in the dust. I'm not going to disagree with you there, but I will say that they both won in gaining his friendship; not necessarily love, and not necessarily attention. Although.. they don't seem to have even that right now. No, not really. I'm pretty sure that the triangle was especially stressed in love and attention and the proof for this is the kiss at the introduction of Sasuke and Sakura. And Neji's line of how only Naruto could save Sasuke along with Sakura not going on the trip to begin with, is enough to prove to me that Naruto is the one who won that battle.
(On InoCho, a very specific line proved it to me. Shikamaru mentioned specifically to Chouji that Ino would learn not to judge by appearances. I think that totally killed off the idea of InoSai or SasuIno, etc.)
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:31 pm
Reyairia Why not? Sakura knew that it was a date, and before the timeskip she wouldn't have ever accepted going on a date with Naruto, him paying or not - and if not, then I'm pretty sure she would have gone the same, she's not a using b***h kind of girl at all. Besides, last time I checked, friends hanged out, not went on dates.
Reyairia It was a one-sided SasuSaku moment, you could say. However, if it were a SasuSaku moment, Sasuke would have not left to begin with. Why wasn't Naruto present? I specifically said that if he was, the Sasuke Retrieval ARK wouldn't have happened. Sakura told Sasuke that she loved him but Sasuke still left. If it did have some meaning to him, it wasn't enough.
There was nothing that could have gotten Sasuke to take Sakura with him. It was obviously too dangerous. She would have more than likely been killed, had he allowed her to come with him. And as a side-note.. at least he had the decency to move her from the ground to a bench before leaving.Reyairia He could have, but you have no proof and everything he has said has gone against it. In Part1, Sakura was no different with her feelings for Sasuke than Ino at all, and Sasuke seemed to have taken a lot to heart that Sakura could not understand the loneliness of not having a family and that she was degrading Naruto in his favor - That moment when Sakura insisted that it was Sasuke that saved her from Gaara, degrading Naruto for it, that's when I really hated SasuSaku, and I don't think Sasuke's feelings were much different.
Besides, if anything, Sasuke reacted to the words "I love you", not Sakura saying that. He probably would have reacted the exact same way if anyone else had said it.
Sakura was different than Ino. Ino's feelings were no different than the type of feelings a teenage girl has for a movie star. Sakura was on Sasuke's team, and as a result she got to know him better. Ino didn't even seem to care when Sasuke left the village. Sakura, on the other hand, was a wreck, until Naruto made the promise. And when he returned, she went to Tsunade. Ino? Nothing.
I don't remember her degrading Naruto after he saved her from Gaara. I do remember her attempting to flirt with Sasuke, though, and being told by him that it was Naruto who saved her; but after that he seemed to be more jealous -- of Naruto's power -- than anything.Reyairia While it was mentioned that yes, they'd do it together, I don't think Neji's line of "Only you can save Sasuke" was in vain. Naruto is the main character, and shonen manga are generally predictable. Yes, I believe it will be the team, but Naruto will have the prime role.
Reyairia Of course it was emphasis, she was the only one that could reach him at that moment before the seal went over, or should I say, Sasuke chose to have the seal and submit to its power after the battle with Gaara and Sakura's phrase right there I mentioned before. I think that at that special moment is when SasuSaku went down the drain even more for me. I still don't see how Naruto tackling Sasuke could not have the same emphasis if not even more, and the reason Ino didn't do anything is because she isn't Sasuke's teammate and therefore isn't as close to him as Sakura was. I could easily bet that if it were Ino that was chosen to be in Naruto's and Sasuke's group, she would have done the same and you'd be arguing SasuIno instead of SasuSaku.
And of course, had Ino been a member of Team 7 instead of Sakura, she probably would have done the same thing, but she wasn't. The point is it was Sakura, and I'm arguing SasuSaku.Reyairia No, not really. I'm pretty sure that the triangle was especially stressed in love and attention and the proof for this is the kiss at the introduction of Sasuke and Sakura. And Neji's line of how only Naruto could save Sasuke along with Sakura not going on the trip to begin with, is enough to prove to me that Naruto is the one who won that battle.
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:48 am
Kairi.nin Okay, so say it counts -- she accepted because she likes Naruto? Its possible. I can argue against Naruto still liking Sakura post-timeskip, but I am unable to argue against Sakura having feelings for Naruto after it. However, that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. The date wasn't supposed to be romance from what I hear, but the fact that Sakura accepted it is my stressing point.
kairi.nin But the point is, Naruto was not there, it was a moment between Sasuke and Sakura specifically.
There was nothing that could have gotten Sasuke to take Sakura with him. It was obviously too dangerous. She would have more than likely been killed, had he allowed her to come with him. And as a side-note.. at least he had the decency to move her from the ground to a bench before leaving. And as I mentioned before, Kishimoto could not have put Naruto there for reasons I have explained. It still was a head-on stress on Team 7 because when Sakura tried to convince Sasuke, she didn't use herself, she used the team as a whole, the team. In fact, its possible that the reason Kishimoto put Sakura there without Naruto was so that he would be able to put more emphasis on the battle later on between Naruto and Sasuke.
I don't know about you, but SasuSaku happening would not be very good teamwork persay. After all, a romantic relationship would exclude one member. If Kishimoto is on the right track, he will either make them all get together with people outside the team or stay single like their teachers.
So? Anybody with decency would do the exact same: knocking Sakura out and leaving her on the bench (I would have taken her home in his place, actually - and don't say anything because I'm bisexual), Sasuke wasn't lost by this point, he had the decency most humans have, he became 'lost' when the Sound 5 did that weird jutsu on him - and because of that, Naruto's words didn't get to him very well. kairi.nin I'm not going to defend the point of him loving her because I don't even think that.
Sakura was different than Ino. Ino's feelings were no different than the type of feelings a teenage girl has for a movie star. Sakura was on Sasuke's team, and as a result she got to know him better. Ino didn't even seem to care when Sasuke left the village. Sakura, on the other hand, was a wreck, until Naruto made the promise. And when he returned, she went to Tsunade. Ino? Nothing. Exactly. Sakura was close to him, and I still argue it wasn't any different. What you saw was a mix between this teenage crush and caring for a teammate and it gives us the illusion that she's really in love with him and not only did you eat it up, so did Sakura. Sakura mourned the loss of her teammate (and because she's a girl she's more sensitive than Naruto was) and also mourned the idea that she could not stop him - as in, her words did not affect him strongly enough and I seriously believe that this means Sasuke does not have particularly strong feelings for Sakura. I don't think requited feelings would have made Sasuke bring her with him, but I do think requited feelings would have made him stop. He didn't. Sasuke chose Orochimaru over Naruto and Sakura when Sakura talked to him.
kairi.nin I don't remember her degrading Naruto after he saved her from Gaara. I do remember her attempting to flirt with Sasuke, though, and being told by him that it was Naruto who saved her; but after that he seemed to be more jealous -- of Naruto's power -- than anything. I remember it perfectly clearly that Sakura mentioned something that Naruto couldn't have done it. The fact that this was right before Sasuke to take Orochimaru's offer kind of tells me something. Yes, Sasuke was jelous, but I'm pretty sure that by this point Sasuke had a really deep respect and friendship for Naruto, and that he was also in part defending him.
kairi.nin Naruto tackling Sasuke wouldn't have had as much emphasis, in my opinion, because.. well, what's so dramatic about a hyperactive blond tackling his rival who is currently going on a mini-rampage?
And of course, had Ino been a member of Team 7 instead of Sakura, she probably would have done the same thing, but she wasn't. The point is it was Sakura, and I'm arguing SasuSaku. It has happened, and it has had a lot of emphasis. The battle between Sasuke and Naruto had Naruto tackling him, and I think that had a lot of emphasis. I'm pretty damn sure that it has some symbolism too, but I'm not sure what. Anyway, what makes us so sure that Naruto would have tackled him? From what I've read, Sasuke has stronger feelings and reactions for Naruto than to Sakura and that's the love triangle I and Kishimoto mentioned. If anything, it would have had more emphasis. Why didn't it happen? Because both Naruto, Sasuke and later Lee had to be knocked unconscious for Sakura to fight alone and then cut her hair and we all know that was a key part for Sakura's character development.
kairi.nin So Naruto won his attention. Neither of them won his love. Both of them won his friendship. Of course Naruto didn't win Sasuke's romantic love, this is a shonen manga and BL will never happen, at least not involving the main characters. Both of Naruto and Sakura had already won Sasuke friendship since the Wave ARK, but Naruto won Sasuke's stronger feelings over Sakura.
Naruto -> Sakura -> Sasuke -> Naruto again.
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:29 am
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:31 am
I'm going to go ahead and end this debate here. I wasn't ready for a real one quite yet, and I'm not exactly sure what made me quote that post in the first place.
It would have gone on forever, anyway, because I'm too much of an open-minded person. Anything and everything is possible to me. None of my views were changed, and I doubt yours were, either.
So. -Waves a white flag-
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:12 am
-Reads- I would read more but those were some incredibally long posts that just kept restating your views over and over again. Good rants y'all, but Id have to say...Im glad that she is calling this over. O.O.
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:50 am
Kairi.nin I'm going to go ahead and end this debate here. I wasn't ready for a real one quite yet, and I'm not exactly sure what made me quote that post in the first place.
It would have gone on forever, anyway, because I'm too much of an open-minded person. Anything and everything is possible to me. None of my views were changed, and I doubt yours were, either.
So. -Waves a white flag- It was a pleasure to debate with you. 3nodding
I'm open minded too, but once I form an opinion on something you might as well try to lasso the moon and move it against its orbit before attempting to get me to think any different. xd
Who's next? xD -shot-
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:59 am
Reyairia Kairi.nin I'm going to go ahead and end this debate here. I wasn't ready for a real one quite yet, and I'm not exactly sure what made me quote that post in the first place.
It would have gone on forever, anyway, because I'm too much of an open-minded person. Anything and everything is possible to me. None of my views were changed, and I doubt yours were, either.
So. -Waves a white flag- It was a pleasure to debate with you. 3nodding
I'm open minded too, but once I form an opinion on something you might as well try to lasso the moon and move it against its orbit before attempting to get me to think any different. xd
Who's next? xD -shot-
It was a pleasure to debate with you as well. :3
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:46 am
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:26 am
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:28 pm
I am a big fan of like a lot of sakura pairings:
~Sasusaku
~Sasukiba
~kakasaku
~Shikasaku
~GarraSaku
~LeeSaku
~ItaSaku
Please do not ask me for evidence. I have too much o it...
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:04 pm
narutoxsakura
its already showing evidence in the recent chapters anyway
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