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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:16 pm


Clearly you meant to say Hector/Florina. 8|
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:31 pm


Ike could have easily married a generic, or he could have adopted.

Of course, considering he's saying he's a descendent of Ike, that doesn't necessarily mean that Ike is his ancestor. Maybe he's related to Ike by blood but isn't his child. Like... maybe he's Mist's descendent and ended up kinda looking like Ike. I dunno.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:07 pm


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*stares at the image of Paris* ..... What with the freaking clockgear around his neck? >>;

Other than that, I agree with Tiki about whether it's canon or not. Either Ike really did get married and had a child or he may have adopted a child that have similar hair/eye color as him. It's all up to the interpretations of the fans. Heck, fans still make and support different pairings for Hector and Eliwood, despite there are many support conversations between the "canon" pairing (aka: Eliwood/Ninian, Hector/Lyn.)

In addition, I agree fully with Rath about Nintendo spying on FEF. I've been saying that ever since I read the article about DLC before we get to see the actually website. >>;
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The thing is, those alternate pairings are supported by the game as well.
Eliwood/Lyn and Hector/Farina yields the same end results as Eliwood/Ninian, Hector/Lyn.

Any strawgrasping at this point (Ike adopted, Paris is lying, He's from Mist, etc.) is merely that, strawgrasping-- you have to take his words at face value.

Paris/MU(F) supports proved Paris is similar in his ways to Ike, but that's it. Maybe Paris/MU(M) will give some insight on to him.

Of course, I'm still calling it that Paris will trigger a conversation with Ike on LvD3 whenever that shows.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:13 pm


Again, it's an interpretation of the fans. =P I was just throwing Eliwood/Ninian and Hector/Lyn as an example. My point being is that it's all up to the fans to decide if the information is true to them or not, despite how much information is provided in the game.

Another example I can give out is Rei and Lugh's father. We're aware that Nino can be paired with either Erk and Jaffar. And in one of the twin's conversation, one of the twin (can't remember which one) borrowed the book from "father's" room. Some will think that the father is Erk since he's a magic unit and he uses tome to battle; thus, will claim that information is proof. However, as I stated before, it's an interpretation of the fans. "Father" can also be a monk who run the orphanage. Therefore, it can be the monk's book and not Erk. It's unknown how the mind works in the fan, with or without information given from the game/company.

Heck, it's similar to the Masked!Marth before the true identity reveals. I'm not saying that I don't accept Paris as the descendant of Ike (I'm still in doubt until I have more info on him). I'm just merely stating that it's hard to prove if Paris is canon or not due to the interpretations of the fan as well as the information from the game.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:12 pm


I was really just trying to say that the fandom shouldn't throw a hissy-fit about it. They can still value relationship. For example, For me, Naesala can still be great in PoR even though Blood Pacts are a thing that retroactively changes his story, even though that is canon (and stupid and lazy plot progression and OFF TOPIC). That doesn't stop what he was in PoR from being good, and that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that he was under a blood pact retroactively. There are relationships that are subjective, and then there is objective canon that can be put through the mind of someone to create preferences and headcanons or whatever, It doesn't change the fact that certain events and interactions happened, and certain people exist. And it doesn't change the fact that people threw such a fit over Paris existing that some people actually stormed off from gatherings and tumblr fandoms and whatnot. THAT'S what was too much. I'm not talking about denying canon or what events seem like before the canon is revealed. That smells of justification. I'm just saaayin... Give peace a chaaaance....
And who said that Soren couldn't still tag along with Ike anyway?

I'm not saying get like me, I'm just trying to make a point. But then again, the drama wasn't in here, so wevs.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:50 pm


I'm not saying Ike is gay, as a disclaimer (even if I think so).

For starters, Paris is a DESCENDANT of Ike. Not the son of Ike, from what I understand. Ike is very ambiguous, and calling Paris a descendant rather than his son actually furthers that notion; it's more distant. Ike still has no canonical romantic pairing. He's just the only main character in the series to leave the continent with one of two males canonically and have no ending with a woman (I'm not saying he's gay, I'm just saying there's a LOT of homoerotic subtext surrounding him that I appreciate; it's very much like in the ancient world before the word "homosexuality" existed). We just know that at some point, he had a child. THAT'S IT.

Also, all this "Ike had a kid = not gay" is pretty bad reasoning. I'm not saying Ike IS gay, but gay people can ******** the other sex and have kids, last I checked. And it's remarkably heteronormative to say he's not gay JUST because he had a kid rather than because he's not gay. Heck, one of my best friends is the daughter of a lesbian who got knocked up from stranger-sex after getting too drunk. I'm DEFINITELY not saying anything like that happened with Ike, or that he's gay, but determining someone's orientation by whether or not they have a kid or not is presumptuous if not offensive. I know plenty of LGBT people with biological children.

I'm not saying Ike is gay. I'm just saying him having a kid isn't what determines his sexuality.

You know who else had kids? The guys in ********> And that's how I feel about Paris; his existence doesn't mean s**t about Ike's sexuality and it doesn't sink anything. All that homoerotic subtext surrounding Ike is still there.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:15 am


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I'm not saying Ike is gay, as a disclaimer.

For starters, Paris is a DESCENDANT of Ike. Not the son of Ike, from what I understand. Ike is very ambiguous, and calling Paris a descendant rather than his son actually furthers that notion; it's more distant. Ike still has no canonical romantic pairing. He's just the only main character in the series to leave the continent with one of two males canonically and have no ending with a woman (I'm not saying he's gay, I'm just saying there's a LOT of homoerotic subtext surrounding him that I appreciate; it's very much like in the ancient world before the word "homosexuality" existed). We just know that at some point, he had a child. THAT'S IT.

Also, all this "Ike had a kid = not gay" is pretty bad reasoning. I'm not saying Ike IS gay, but gay people can ******** the other sex and have kids, last I checked. And it's remarkably heteronormative to say he's not gay JUST because he had a kid rather than because he's not gay. Heck, one of my best friends is the daughter of a lesbian who got knocked up from stranger-sex after getting too drunk. I'm DEFINITELY not saying anything like that happened with Ike, or that he's gay, but determining someone's orientation by whether or not they have a kid or not is presumptuous if not offensive. I know plenty of LGBT people with biological children.

I'm not saying Ike is gay. I'm just saying him having a kid isn't what determines his sexuality.

This is (almost) exactly what I was thinking. Of course, I've always seen Ike's relationship with Soren to be the "heterosexual life partners" sort of thing.

But isn't this thread for discussing the new FE game and not Ike's sexuality? I'm more curious as to why Paris has Ragnell. In the first PoR game, Ike gave Ragnell back to Begnion after the war. Did he just keep it after the end of RD? Or maybe Begnion gave it to one of Ike's descendants before Paris.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:27 am


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But isn't this thread for discussing the new FE game and not Ike's sexuality? I'm more curious as to why Paris has Ragnell. In the first PoR game, Ike gave Ragnell back to Begnion after the war. Did he just keep it after the end of RD? Or maybe Begnion gave it to one of Ike's descendants before Paris.


Well, Paris is related to the discussion of FE:Awakening and we were kinda discussing about Paris's origin. Of course, I dunno how on earth did we go from how Paris is related to Ike to Ike's sexuality. >>;

But like I said, we should wait more until we get more info on Paris. As for the Ragnell, I can't answer that due to haven't finish the RD game. >>;

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:37 am


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Well, Paris is related to the discussion of FE:Awakening and we were kinda discussing about Paris's origin. Of course, I dunno how on earth did we go from how Paris is related to Ike to Ike's sexuality. >>;

But like I said, we should wait more until we get more info on Paris. As for the Ragnell, I can't answer that due to haven't finish the RD game. >>;

They never say what happens to any of the weapons in RD. That's about all I can say without spoilers.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:09 am


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Well, Paris is related to the discussion of FE:Awakening and we were kinda discussing about Paris's origin. Of course, I dunno how on earth did we go from how Paris is related to Ike to Ike's sexuality. >>;

But like I said, we should wait more until we get more info on Paris. As for the Ragnell, I can't answer that due to haven't finish the RD game. >>;

They never say what happens to any of the weapons in RD. That's about all I can say without spoilers.


When Sanaki gives Ragnell to Ike in RD, she explicitly says it's a loan, so it's presumable he returned it. I imagine Paris having it is something they didn't bother to think about.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:47 am


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There is a point to waiting until LvD3 to see if Paris talks to Ike on that mission for anything further.
MU(F)/Paris supports make Paris seem like Ike.
MU(M)/Paris supports prove nothing.

He outright looks too much like Ike to be from Mist. Or that far off for that matter-- given, there's Time Travel Shenaningans now, and Ike's departure from Tellius is otherworldly (And this may be a confusing mess, of course, the word used for "World" in this case could mean a lot of things, so it's definitely not definite). ("He's a Legendary swordsman who came to our World long ago", Stated by Krom, not Paris)

It's a fair given though, that it's a good hard sinking, because seriously, at this point there's nothing but strawgrasping-- considering nothing proved he was gay in the first place (go ahead, find proper evidence-- gotta be at least as solid as what Heather has towards being a lesbian)- now there's (rather solid) evidence he's not.

Now this says nothing of him having his ending with Soren. (Heterosexual life partners *IS* a good way to look at it) Who he traveled with matters not-- as most likely, considering who he married broke his skill in two, he married a generic village girl (From Archaenea).

As far as Paris has Ragnell... Ike might have just kept it this time.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:04 am


Just because Paris looks more like Ike, it doesn't proof that Paris cannot be born through Mist's line. In the mystery of science, gene can skip a generation or more instead of passing down the next generation.

For example, a friend of mine told me that one of her relatives had a redheaded daughter in the family despite that both parents are blond (and no, neither cheated each other.) So with genetic technology, they discovered that one of their ancestors was a redhead. So if it can happen in RL, it can happen in the game too.

And as you pointed out, Paris is an descendant, not a son of Ike. So he may have gotten that look, despite if he comes from Mist or Ike. In addition, it is another strawgrasping. After all, since when do FE logic base on science? >>;

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:37 pm


I'd agree that I definitely think Paris is a direct descendant of Ike, not Mist. One isn't a descendant of aunts and uncles; they're merely related to them.

I'd just call Soren and Ike life partners without the word "heterosexual" attached, or any sexuality attached, for that matter, though. Nothing proves he's straight any more than there's anything proving he's gay, frankly. His sexuality, as a whole, is very downplayed and ambiguous and deliberately so. Ike doesn't have to be proven gay for him to not be heterosexual in a traditional sense. I personally think he falls in an 'other' sort of category; I don't think he's gay, but I wouldn't say he's straight either.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:33 pm


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I'd agree that I definitely think Paris is a direct descendant of Ike, not Mist. One isn't a descendant of aunts and uncles; they're merely related to them.

I'd just call Soren and Ike life partners without the word "heterosexual" attached, or any sexuality attached, for that matter, though. Nothing proves he's straight any more than there's anything proving he's gay, frankly. His sexuality, as a whole, is very downplayed and ambiguous and deliberately so. Ike doesn't have to be proven gay for him to not be heterosexual in a traditional sense. I personally think he falls in an 'other' sort of category; I don't think he's gay, but I wouldn't say he's straight either.

I only said "heterosexual life partners" because that's what it's called on TV tropes. I like the idea of putting Ike in the "other" category, although I think Soren definitely is in that category as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:41 am


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Chances are, the Paris mystery will get a bit more explanation in the coming mission...
THE FINAL BATTLE: LIGHT VS DARK 3

And of course, it's...
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A Hero Colm? No, of course it's Ike.
Done by FE7 Artist.

...And I'm calling it (along with tons of others). Terrible.
At least there's no gear-collar (on the artwork).

Also: The New Skill (That comes with clearing the map) is Apparently "All Stats: Limit Break +10", so yeah... about that. (The guess is that it raises the cap by 10, not add 10 to all stats, same effect, but you have to work for the former.)
...Thank the heavens it's not Nihil.

And as far as can be told, this is it: The last DLC chapter.

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