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SIash Ex

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:16 am


Colonel Iyam A Heita
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I think my problem is, and always has been, that I've seen the normal human body...both other's, and my own...take obnoxious amount of punishment and keep on trucking.

I've watched a guy pull out his own intestines, lay them on someone else's arms, and keep right on talking like nothing had happened...I've watched guys live from being nearly decapitated...

Seen em' fight through head-injuries that don't make any ******** sense at all.

I've watched surgury up close...seen what kind of damage a broken bone does to surrounding tissue...and been the ******** who broke it. I've bled, and suffered, and been knocked out...But I've also been on the giving end.

I know what it feels like to watch a man die, and I know what it looks like when it's coming.

In the RP scene, all of that makes me play a lot more...aggressively? Tankish?

The human constitution is a lot stronger then our community give it credit for but that is because a lot of our community get their facts from wiki, comics and movies and not so much real world experiences. Or more so to the fact first hand real world experiences.I tell people all the time that watching something happen in front of you does quite capture the truth of what is happening.

But that doesn't matter because this isn't reality, it's fiction and as an author you should cater to your audience. Not be submissive but obtain power through other means then just force.

Anyone who as practiced a discipline of martial arts should know that concept well enough. Those that don't...well think about how you solve your everyday problems of inadequacies... and that should reveal how you should handle yourself here.

It's an area I'm working on, to be sure.

Not everyone has access to the world I operate in, nor do they have the wisdom/understanding that real-life can experience. That doesn't mean, and shouldn't suggest, that they are inferior fighters because they've never tasted a -real- fight.

RL, and RP, are not always connected like that.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:24 am


OutlawD One
the tip of the blade aiming for the blue crystal on her chest

Oh yeah, I do remember you being all up ons that blue crystal s**t every post.

OutlawD One
It was not 5 powers either, it was 3.

Well, your post says this:

Reflect sad -10pts)
Chainwrap sad -3pts)
Velocity Punch(-5pts)
Bojuka Drill(-10pts)
Idle Impact Charge(-1pt)

The actual actions that you took were 1) chain wrap, 2) reflect, 3) ap-ap-ap-appakutt~ + power enhancement, 4) leap 30 feet in the air, 5) baby you got fine tities lemme touch 'em.

Even discounting the last two as a "what if" scenario that you continued to push for the next two posts, your actions for the post are: attempt to completely incapacitate your opponent (requires no action), automatically deflect the opponent's attack and break their arm by doing so (requires no action), ap-ap-ap-appakutt~.

The dragon punch is not the thing I'm contesting the validity of. And before you try to say something about the chain this is the exact wording from your post: [ The final result would be her body wrapped from head to toe, held tight by the extendable chain. ] As intended, it is a full-body incapacitate done as an afterthought to anything else that happened in the post.

Now it's perfectly valid to say "well my profile was accepted so my abilities are acceptable". It was accepted. But it was accepted based upon their interpretations of how everything in it worked or was intended to work. I could submit a profile for a wizard with a list of spells in it, it would then be assumed that since the spells had verbal components to them I would have to cast them one at a time. My opponent charges at me, I then shout "now you ******** up", open six mouths on the sides of my neck, and begin simultaneously casting offensive, defensive, disabling, and flight spells all at the same time with a s**t-eating grin on my face as fire and ice swirl around me and a pulsating nova of radiant death exudes from my every pore. You could technically fight back... if you could get up to where I am, and past my aura of repulsion and shield spells that are all constantly being maintained by some of my neck-mouths.

But I didn't do that.

Because that's silly.

My problem with what you wrote remains that you effectively took "a full turn" with your punch combo in addition to passively perfect-defense blocking your opponent's attack and implying that it should break their arm and attempting to end the fight with a disable that takes no concentration or action on your part.

Regardless of what Vintrict did in response, it remains my primary concern that you do not find anything at all questionable about that but are perfectly willing to jump all over Athena for a duck-and run because "she couldn't have stopped in time".


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:30 am


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That doesn't mean, and shouldn't suggest, that they are inferior fighters because they've never tasted a -real- fight.

I disagree with this statement. I don't think you have to be a 12th degree black belt but if you have NEVER been in a fight... you can't write about fighting.

You need to experience something to be able to speak on it IMO.

It's very rare and takes a special individual to accurately depict something purely from second hand experience because there are subtle nuances that escape the eye.

HOWEVER...

As an author you should take into account that the majority of your audience won't have the knowledge base you have. Great authors and leaders convey their ideology through imagery using the simplest terms so that a baby can gaze upon the same scene. The baby won't see the details...even if he could he wouldn't be able to understand but he gets the basic idea and is delighted to share it with you.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:41 am


Colonel Iyam A Heita

I disagree with this statement. I don't think you have to be a 12th degree black belt but if you have NEVER been in a fight... you can't write about fighting.

You need to experience something to be able to speak on it IMO.

It's very rare and takes a special individual to accurately depict something purely from second hand experience because there are subtle nuances that escape the eye.

HOWEVER...

As an author you should take into account that the majority of your audience won't have the knowledge base you have. Great authors and leaders convey their ideology through imagery using the simplest terms so that a baby can gaze upon the same scene. The baby won't see the details...even if he could he would be unable to understand but he gets the basic idea and is detailed to share it with you.

I think that's a fair point, but I doubt that many people have expereinced the kind of fight I'm talking about either.

It's a large part of the reason why the second half of my fight with Tres went so much better than the first half...Because I've stood toe-to-toe with a man who wanted to take my life.

More than once.

Knowing that, once the fight had started, he wanted to either kill me...or be killed by me...because even trying to hit me would automatically extend his sentence. Killing me wouldn't make it any worse, but knowing that he had earned those five more years would...maybe...give him some solace.

And then, there's me...unarmed, with a wife and newborn son at home...with a rich, full life worth living...and another human being threatening to take that away.

Not playing around on a dojo mat...not drukenly having a game of grab-a** outside the bar...

Not many have stood on the precipace of death, and looked down into its depths. Tres wanted to kill Eric, and Eric wanted to kill Tres...

I've been there.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:41 am


God I am making massive typos...

In my defense it's 6:30 though.


Also I think too many people are writing for the judges as opposed to writing for their opponent.

Like if I was fighting Vinny or Ertai... I would more then likely end up getting super technical in Heita's actions. It would be annoying to me but I would do it because I know they seek that s**t.

However, if I am fighting Sieg or maybe Jay, it would be optional. I would do it when necessary only but predominately keep my roleplay with them light and airy and full of fun.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:41 am


OutlawD One

Not picking on you or anything. I just honestly want to get down to where this is coming from that you consider what Athena did to be a bullshit response that warrants a judge call, but your nobody is allowed to have an issue with your post.

I will admit that I am personally offended by the ability Reflect as it is used in your post. I don't know how it's written in the profile, but the way that you described it happening in the post was just "Athena swings, and strikes a barrier". Was this there before? Is it something he did just now? Is this an armor ability that you have on as equipment or is it something that you prepped in an earlier post and didn't deduct points for until it went off? Or did it just happen when you wanted it to because technically there's nothing explicitly stating that it can't?

Combine this ability that automatically completely blocks physical attacks with those gloves that automatically completely cancel out magic, and you've got a real hum-dinger there even without any other abilities at all. At all.

So I'm just wanting to know your thought process when you go through this, since from where I sit it's just "You can't beat me kid, I'm just too good."


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:45 am


themightyjello
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the tip of the blade aiming for the blue crystal on her chest

Oh yeah, I do remember you being all up ons that blue crystal s**t every post.

OutlawD One
It was not 5 powers either, it was 3.

Well, your post says this:

Reflect sad -10pts)
Chainwrap sad -3pts)
Velocity Punch(-5pts)
Bojuka Drill(-10pts)
Idle Impact Charge(-1pt)

The actual actions that you took were 1) chain wrap, 2) reflect, 3) ap-ap-ap-appakutt~ + power enhancement, 4) leap 30 feet in the air, 5) baby you got fine tities lemme touch 'em.

Even discounting the last two as a "what if" scenario that you continued to push for the next two posts, your actions for the post are: attempt to completely incapacitate your opponent (requires no action), automatically deflect the opponent's attack and break their arm by doing so (requires no action), ap-ap-ap-appakutt~.

The dragon punch is not the thing I'm contesting the validity of. And before you try to say something about the chain this is the exact wording from your post: [ The final result would be her body wrapped from head to toe, held tight by the extendable chain. ] As intended, it is a full-body incapacitate done as an afterthought to anything else that happened in the post.

Now it's perfectly valid to say "well my profile was accepted so my abilities are acceptable". It was accepted. But it was accepted based upon their interpretations of how everything in it worked or was intended to work. I could submit a profile for a wizard with a list of spells in it, it would then be assumed that since the spells had verbal components to them I would have to cast them one at a time. My opponent charges at me, I then shout "now you ******** up", open six mouths on the sides of my neck, and begin simultaneously casting offensive, defensive, disabling, and flight spells all at the same time with a s**t-eating grin on my face as fire and ice swirl around me and a pulsating nova of radiant death exudes from my every pore. You could technically fight back... if you could get up to where I am, and past my aura of repulsion and shield spells that are all constantly being maintained by some of my neck-mouths.

But I didn't do that.

Because that's silly.

My problem with what you wrote remains that you effectively took "a full turn" with your punch combo in addition to passively perfect-defense blocking your opponent's attack and implying that it should break their arm and attempting to end the fight with a disable that takes no concentration or action on your part.

Regardless of what Vintrict did in response, it remains my primary concern that you do not find anything at all questionable about that but are perfectly willing to jump all over Athena for a duck-and run because "she couldn't have stopped in time".


Just cause someone says something in a post doesn't make it so…..so the arm break is kinda empty. His suit could have protected him, it may not have actually broke so and so forth. As for the analogy my post was nowhere near that many or that power boosted until the "what if" which its really only and spin a few times and slam.

The bojuka drill and idle impact are part of the "what if" and didn't even have to happen. The reflect used 10% of my bar for one hit of the hammer. I could have had him block by leaping back or just plain ol stepping in to put himself aligned with the staff portion instead of the mallet too, but i do get a block. it took concentration through the use of his ability points he was down almost a 3rd of his bar from that complete posting going out.. over a 1/4 for sure. There was concentration and consequences so whats your issue?

A full turn is a post. Is it not? and if it aint then if he made the right move it wouldn't have been. That was a extended plan post and how often are those stopped in their tracks by a post after.

The reason I posted it again is because I was lazy and the action he chose would have had the exact same consequences or effect. The jab and uppercut would be the same distance due to the step forward.

I do have a laundry list of questionable stuff.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:47 am


Slash Zinrai

You a C.O.?

And see I don't entertain those fights because I have never had to fight for my life.

I can surmise what it would feel like but I honestly don't know. I have however been in real fights involving serious injuries. Broken a rib, a nose and a foot. I have played full contacts sports so I understand what it's like dealing with the human at it's peak.

I have done it on mats and on cement. Got Rock bottom'd for real once and felt all the air leave my body before a sharp pain hit my back because curbs hurt and then nothing.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:59 am


Colonel Iyam A Heita

You a C.O.?

And see I don't entertain those fights because I have never had to fight for my life.

I can surmise what it would feel like but I honestly don't know. I have however been in real fights involving serious injuries. Broken a rib, a nose and a foot. I have played full contacts sports so I understand what it's like dealing with the human at it's peak.

I have done it on mats and on cement. Got Rock bottom'd for real once and felt all the air leave my body before a sharp pain hit my back because curbs hurt and then nothing.

I'm an S c/o, now...Or a Sargent, if you prefer.

But yeah, I work in a prison...and it's an amazing sort of dread.

I've seen the measure of myself, and of others...watched women stand their ground and fight, and big men run away in tears. Honestly...I'm sick of it.

It's made me cynical of the world, and distrustful of others. It tainted my writing style...lost me more than a few friends...and has earned me more blood than I care to admit.

It's also slavery, just in case you didn't know...

The man I am today would not sit well with the man I was five years ago.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:59 am


themightyjello
OutlawD One

Not picking on you or anything. I just honestly want to get down to where this is coming from that you consider what Athena did to be a bullshit response that warrants a judge call, but your nobody is allowed to have an issue with your post.

I will admit that I am personally offended by the ability Reflect as it is used in your post. I don't know how it's written in the profile, but the way that you described it happening in the post was just "Athena swings, and strikes a barrier". Was this there before? Is it something he did just now? Is this an armor ability that you have on as equipment or is it something that you prepped in an earlier post and didn't deduct points for until it went off? Or did it just happen when you wanted it to because technically there's nothing explicitly stating that it can't?

Never considered it that way at all! I would like this to be clear as well. Never s
Combine this ability that automatically completely blocks physical attacks with those gloves that automatically completely cancel out magic, and you've got a real hum-dinger there even without any other abilities at all. At all.

So I'm just wanting to know your thought process when you go through this, since from where I sit it's just "You can't beat me kid, I'm just too good."


Never considered it that way at all! I would like this to be clear as well. Never said anyone couldn't have a problem with it, but it is a solid post, in the way that it was done in a difficult way to escape but it has ways to escape. It was just a longer , "If caught you stuck" chain combo, than y'all may be used to…or the way I wrote it. But basically its not a "reflect spell" by any means its just using his velocity manipulation to make a small impact barrier if you will, and yes it definitely has its drain to my points and won't block everything. If something is stronger than the force applied then it will go through or knock him back or whatnot. The reason that barrier was able to be placed and strong enough to block was because of the combined distance between them, he had to cover and the fact that Bojechtka (lol) had seen the impact of the hammer before. A trained fighter with abilities he'd had for years would at least be able to guess a rough strength after seeing his opponent in action right? So he used enough points, and it took a good portion of my bar for one thing.

The gloves literally are just insulated for electricity defense and blocked against literal "arcane magic/ magic" like a fire bender could melt them bitches at the right temp. Someone who could rust or freeze could rust or freeze them hoes and thats the end of it. Athena just got really ******** unlucky, cause she uses "magic" also known as "arcane magic" or "arcane energy/power"

But if it was someone new and he didn't have a whole two minutes(exaggeration obviously) of her charging then that s**t may not have even worked, or would have knocked him on his a** if he didn't use enough energy, and if he did well guess what he did, but he couldn;t do it for much longer cause he's using enough or more energy to do so. It was a hammer swing….if it was something someone charged or what not it would have been different. Bojuka isn't a damn super diety cosmos i defeat all man…he just acts like Shaft "The Jecht"Dandy

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:09 am


For contrary of behavior, outward appearance and popular belief and lore, Boujechtka isn't all powerful…just smarter than his opponent. And his gauntlets had a null against arcane magic, which by pure random chance….literally for real….athena used.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:19 am


OutlawD One

I really don't have an honest, heartfelt, opinion on the subject.

If I were fighting you, I know how I would've done things; and if we both advance, and end up squared off, I'll show you a few tricks to get your blood a flowing.

All over the sand.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:32 am


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OutlawD One

I really don't have an honest, heartfelt, opinion on the subject.

If I were fighting you, I know how I would've done things; and if we both advance, and end up squared off, I'll show you a few tricks to get your blood a flowing.

All over the sand.

Sure do talk big. We'll see what happens
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:14 am


Last thing I'm gonna bring up.

OutlawD One
The reflect used 10% of my bar for one hit of the hammer. I could have had him block by leaping back or just plain ol stepping in to put himself aligned with the staff portion instead of the mallet too, but i do get a block. it took concentration through the use of his ability points he was down almost a 3rd of his bar from that complete posting going out.. over a 1/4 for sure.

I want to raise a counterargument and a hypothetical situation.

Jecht's already got superhuman levels of strength et al. because he's got that superjuice in him. Let's say he walks in there and gets into a swordfight. Now in addition to all the normal options available to someone in that situation (block, dodge, evade, parry, distance) he can also just decide that by spending 10% of his bar he can negate a hit against him completely. That means in a swordfight he can ignore 10 hits against him completely, or just truck through an attack to get in close and start stabbing someone in the kidneys with a shiv because Jecht don't give a ********. Reflect reflect reflect. 10% per use? If each trade gives you a stab in the leg or the gut for 10% of your bar that's a trade anyone would take.

I have no idea what sort of powerset the Baron has over there swinging that rapier around but I'm willing to bet Reflect is something he would literally salivate over.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:57 am


Vintrict
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For now, I'm heading out.


'bout those sprites in your sig.

You make that?

Why?


Not everything is a loaded question Vintrict.

I would like to know if you made it or not, because if yes, I have work for you.
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