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[Sanity_is_for_the_Weak]

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:13 pm


I think playing against imperial gaurd would be fun cause you could mop the damn floor with them....over and over and over again
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:52 pm


yo_momma117
I think playing against imperial gaurd would be fun cause you could mop the damn floor with them....over and over and over again
You've never seen what a Russ can do to, well, everything, have you?

DarkElf27
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[Sanity_is_for_the_Weak]

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:54 pm


once again im talking about dawn of war xp
and in the game russ's arent that bad if you get close to em, thats why i like flyin or teleporty thingies
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:27 am


yo_momma117
once again im talking about dawn of war xp
and in the game russ's arent that bad if you get close to em, thats why i like flyin or teleporty thingies

Ok this is not a "dis the guard" thread and if you want to talk about dawn of war isn't there a thread for that?

Singis 17


[Sanity_is_for_the_Weak]

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:28 am


hey buddy, the owner of the clan is participating in this convorsation too, also, this is about IG as a RACE, not just an army...the DoW is about the expansion
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:42 am


Singis 17
I was wondering if I could get some critiques for my new drop troops list

Doctrines.
- drop troops
- close order drill
- Allow: stormtroppers
- Special equipment: Carapace amour
-allow: special weapon squads



HQ
Senior Officer - Power weapon, bolt pistol (carapace amour and drop troops)
Veteran - lasguns
Medic - Laspistol and ccw.
Standard Bearer - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsman – master vox

remove the mastervox and the vetren. This squad needs at least a few warm bodies that can be sacrificed for less than 12 pts. And since you don't have anything else with a vox the mastervox is an albetros around your neck.
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Commissar (2) bolt pistol&power weapon &carapace amour (total)

Give him or the officer a power fist to help crack high toughness enemies.
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Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns frag Krak melta bombs
Guardsmen (3) (2) flamers (1) plasma gun

Ewww. no meat and no clearly defined purpose. If you flame the troops you aren't able to charge the tank and if you charge the tank you're not able to flame the troops. Drop the krak and meltas. Tanks should never get close enough to Guard lines to be charge. If they have you have 9/10 already lost.
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Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns frag Krak melta bombs
Guardsmen (3), (3) grenade launcher

Like the one above ewwww. Drop the frags flat out this squad is no good on the assualt too light to make anything of a charge. Then drop the krak and melta bombs. They wouldn't make it to a tank even if they tried.
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Elite

Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) melta guns
Deep striking
Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) melta guns
Deep striking

Was never a fan of stormtroopers but these seem like very expensive spitballs that won't do much before being brutally gunned down. Drop them down to the minimum # and drop the bolt pistol and power weapon and you'll have 2 good hail Mary squads to take out some expensive tanks.
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Troops.
Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, power fist
Guardsman (4) - lsguns

This is a guy you don't want a powerfist on since one hit and he is down for the count and you are out 10 pts that could have been spend elsewere.
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Veteran sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher.

Veteran sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher

Veteran sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –grenade launcher

Drop the vetren sergeants. All the squads use the officers leadership anyway so whats the real point?
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Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw
Guardsmen (4) - lasguns

Veteran sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – grenade launcher.

Veteran sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –grenade launcher



Veteran sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –grenade launcher

Get these boys some plasma and missle launcher goodness stat! Drop the vets and you can probaly afford at least 1 missle launcher.
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Fast attack

Sentinels (3)-multi lasers (drop troops)
pts:2000

Split them up. They can focus their attacks if you need them too and with them split up they need at least 3 seperate squads firing at them.
Overall you need to cut some fat out of your army. I suggest cutting the Vetrens, Special squads and some of the stormtroopers. Then use the pts to add some actual tank killing potential to your army since at 2000 pts enemy armies are definatly going to be bringing some armor to the field.

Dubyamn


Singis 17

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:58 am


well i re-did my list the reason i kept the stormtroopers because the have melta bombs and theat lets them to take on tanks.

Doctrines.
- drop troops
- close order drill
- Allow: stormtroppers
- Special equipment: Carapace amour
-allow: special weapon squads

HQ
Senior Officer - Power weapon, bolt pistol (carapace amour and drop troops)
Medic - Laspistol and ccw.
Standard Bearer - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsman (2) – (1)lasgun, (1) plasma gun

Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns
Guardsmen (3) (3) flamers

Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns
Guardsmen (3), (3) grenade launcher

elite
Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) plasma guns
Deep striking
Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) melta guns
Deep striking
troops
Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw
Guardsman (4) – (3) lasguns (1) melta gun

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher.

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter grenade launcher




Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw
Guardsman (3) – lasguns (1) plasma gun

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon and grenade launcher.

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon and grenade launcher

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon grenade launcher



Fast attack (all deep strike)

Sentinel multilaser improved comms

Sentinel multilaser

Sentinel mltilaser
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:59 am


Singis 17
Yea after posting that I realized that problem and the new list has every squad in first platoon with heavy bolters and all of second platoon has lascannon

Well that's a bit more anti-tank fire. Don't think it's enough but it's more than I thought you had.
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and after reading your comments I probably would re-equip one of the stormtrooper squads with plasma guns. And the special weapon team with the plasma gun and replace the flamer.

I don't think that flamers or Plasm guns are really what your special squads need since first thing that happens after they drop down is the entire enemy army turns and wastes the squad with concentrated firepower.
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The reason I gave them the explosives was because they need to destroy tanks since their deep striking the can get up close.

Let's not dellude ourselves here. It's 6 T3 models with 4+ save in the middle of an enemy vanguard. They can't possibly survive the first round of fireing and even if they did the tanks that are their targets can move away faster then they can charge. Why not give them a Melta gun? They can use it as soon as they come down and it might hit and kill a tank.

Dubyamn


Hoxtalicious

Greedy Partner

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:10 am


Singis 17
well i re-did my list the reason i kept the stormtroopers because the have melta bombs and theat lets them to take on tanks.

Doctrines.
- drop troops
- close order drill
- Allow: stormtroppers
- Special equipment: Carapace amour
-allow: special weapon squads

HQ
Senior Officer - Power weapon, bolt pistol (carapace amour and drop troops)
Medic - Laspistol and ccw.
Standard Bearer - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsman (2) – master vox, (1) plasma gun


As I said before, dump the bloody master vox, it's a waste of points as you are fielding NO vox casters.

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Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns
Guardsmen (3) (3) flamers

Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns frag Krak melta bombs
Guardsmen (3), (3) grenade launcher


I'd dump the frags and kraks if you really want to go for the suicidal anti-tank thing.

Quote:
elite
Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) plasma guns
Deep striking

Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) melta guns
Deep striking

troops
Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw
Guardsman (4) – (3) lasguns (1) melta gun

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher.

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter grenade launcher

Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw
Guardsman (3) – lasguns (1) plasma gun

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon and grenade launcher.

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon and grenade launcher

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon grenade launcher

Fast attack (all deep strike)

Sentinel multilaser improved comms

Sentinel multilaser improved comms

Sentinel mltilaser improved comms


Those improved comms wont do you much good on vehicles that are also required to drop in first. If I were you, I'd drop two of them, saving up more points for other things.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:19 am


Lt. Brookman
Singis 17
well i re-did my list the reason i kept the stormtroopers because the have melta bombs and theat lets them to take on tanks.

Doctrines.
- drop troops
- close order drill
- Allow: stormtroppers
- Special equipment: Carapace amour
-allow: special weapon squads

HQ
Senior Officer - Power weapon, bolt pistol (carapace amour and drop troops)
Medic - Laspistol and ccw.
Standard Bearer - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsman (2) – master vox, (1) plasma gun


As I said before, dump the bloody master vox, it's a waste of points as you are fielding NO vox casters.

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Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns
Guardsmen (3) (3) flamers

Special weapon squad
Guardsmen (3) lasguns frag Krak melta bombs
Guardsmen (3), (3) grenade launcher


I'd dump the frags and kraks if you really want to go for the suicidal anti-tank thing.

Quote:
elite
Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) plasma guns
Deep striking

Storm Troopers.
Veteran - Bolt pistol and power weapon.
Storm Troopers (9) – (2x) melta guns
Deep striking

troops
Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw
Guardsman (4) – (3) lasguns (1) melta gun

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher.

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter and grenade launcher

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) – heavy bolter grenade launcher

Infantry platoon. (All have carapace amour and drop troopers)
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw
Guardsman (3) – lasguns (1) plasma gun

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon and grenade launcher.

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon and grenade launcher

Sergeant - Laspistol and ccw.
Guardsmen (9) –lascannon grenade launcher

Fast attack (all deep strike)

Sentinel multilaser improved comms

Sentinel multilaser improved comms

Sentinel mltilaser improved comms


Those improved comms wont do you much good on vehicles that are also required to drop in first. If I were you, I'd drop two of them, saving up more points for other things.

the whole specal wepons team with the melta bombs and frak and krak's was a mistake i messed up and forgot to take them off

Singis 17


Hoxtalicious

Greedy Partner

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:11 pm


Still in all honesty, you'll be having a hard time. All infantry armies can be done, but in large numbers, especially when in the range of 2.000 and higher.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:19 pm


well i'm willing to try and i know someone who also plays a list like this so i'll get some pointers from him

Singis 17


Xenos Mortium

PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:53 am


yo_momma117
hey buddy, the owner of the clan is participating in this convorsation too, also, this is about IG as a RACE, not just an army...the DoW is about the expansion
1) It's a guild, not a clan.

2) The Imperial Guard is not, and cannot possibly be a 'race', and only an army.

3) This thread is for talking about the real Imperial Guard, not the ones from DoW.

4) The Imperial Guard kick a** in DoW, and I find them to be the best army.

5) I'm a crew member of this guild, and I will not have you disrespect other members. Even though you were talking to the leader, I can still ban you.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:46 am


Xenos Mortium
yo_momma117
hey buddy, the owner of the clan is participating in this convorsation too, also, this is about IG as a RACE, not just an army...the DoW is about the expansion
1) It's a guild, not a clan.

2) The Imperial Guard is not, and cannot possibly be a 'race', and only an army.

3) This thread is for talking about the real Imperial Guard, not the ones from DoW.

4) The Imperial Guard kick a** in DoW, and I find them to be the best army.

5) I'm a crew member of this guild, and I will not have you disrespect other members. Even though you were talking to the leader, I can still ban you.



Personally, if you can talk about the fluff here of the Imperial guard, and how it relates to the tabletop game, why can you not talk about the DoW fluff, and the how that relates to the Imperial Guard too?

I find the Guard overpowered, according to fluff. How can they easily beat Space Marines, who are more modified than a rapper's LowRider, and then beat the awesome powers of Chaos, who are Space Marines, only with the power of 4 great ******** Gods?

I didn't see any disrespect there. I actually think he was doing what you were doing. Telling people to stay on topic and stuff. Just what you and he consider on topic are different.
Difference of opinion is not a bannable offence.


-Mykal

A.R.G.U.S Mykal


Hoxtalicious

Greedy Partner

PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:37 am


Imperial Guard infantry army sample list 2.000 pts. - Valhallan 714th Shock Infantry.

Doctrines.
- Iron Discipline
- Conscript Platoons
- Heavy Weapon Platoons
- Sharpshooters
- Close Order Drill

HQ.
Senior Officer - Carapace armour, plasma pistol, power weapon and Iron Discipline.
Veterans (2) - Medic with laspistol and ccw, standard bearer with laspistol, ccw and company standard.
Guardsmen (2) - Grenade launchers.

Commissar - Carapace armour, bolt pistol and power fist.

Anti-tank support squad - Lascannons (3) and sharpshooters.

Fire Support Squad - Autocannons (3) and sharpshooters.

Mortar squad.

Troops.

1st Platoon.
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw and Iron Discipline.
Guardsmen (4) - Meltaguns (2).

1st Squad - Flamer.

2nd Squad - Grenade launcher and heavy bolter.

3rd Squad - Grenade launcher and missile launcher.

2nd Platoon.
Junior Officer - Plasma pistol, ccw and Iron Discipline.
Veteran - Medic with lasgun.
Guardsmen (3) - Plasma guns (3).

1st Squad - Flamer.

2nd Squad - Grenade launcher and heavy bolter.

3rd Squad - Grenade launcher and missile launcher.

Conscript platoon - Fifty conscripts with flamers (5).

Fast Attack.

Sentinel squadron - Catachan pattern sentinels (2).

Sentinel squadron - Mars pattern sentinels (2).

Sentinel squadron - Armageddon pattern sentinels (2).

Heavy Support.

Heavy weapons platoon.
Junior Officer - Bolt pistol, ccw and Iron Discipline.
Guardsmen (4) - Grenade launchers (2) and autocannon.

Anti-tank support squad - Missile launchers (3) and sharpshooters.

Mortar squad.

Mortar squad.

Grand totall: 1.962 pts.
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