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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:10 am
Conren I would date a pro-choicer, then I would try to convert her. You'll get dumped in a heartbeat then, if she were anything like the pro-choicers I know. I've never been in such a situation, so I'm not sure how I would react, but I do have friends who have varying beliefs to mine. As long as they don't try to 'convert' me, I'm fine. I'm happy to discuss my beliefs with them, and I'm interested in theirs - I'd be open to 'conversion' myself if someone put across a good enough point. If my boyfriend were pro-choice, I don't think I'd care as long as - if I got pregnant - he didn't try to force his beliefs on me. I would respect his beliefs though.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:38 pm
Someone just directed me to a page that I thought was ours at first and then I realized it was in the Pro-choice guild.
It's made me revisit this thought.
And it occurred to me...
Why would I date a man without the balls to say, "Don't kill my baby?" How can I trust a man to care for his children if he doesn't even care if I kill them? If he doesn't want me to avoid killing them? If a man can't stand up for his own rights, then I can't trust him to stand up for those of my children, and I certainly can't trust him to support my rights. Why would I want to be with such a man?
Terje at least made it clear to me that he's only for abortion in certain cases, and if I abort his child without good reason, like, oh, I'm going to die, then he's out.
If he hadn't...I wouldn't be with him. I can not respect a man who doesn't give a damn about his child's life unless his child is right in front of him going, Hi Daddy!
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:56 am
Sadly enough, I was dating a pro-choice guy, and it actually became a valid issue.
I told him I was having it, and if he didn"t like that, he was free to take a hike.
He didn"t, and as much as he objected, he stuck with me.
4+ years later, he says he"s still pro-choice, and even though I don"t agree with his reasons, I try to be as understanding as possible. However, it gives me great satisfaction to hear him verbally acknowledge that his "views on the subject have changed considerably since Magdalena was born." I just take that as, "You were right, dear."
whee
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:27 pm
I could do it, so long as he would understand that if he knocks me up, the baby is being born.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:38 pm
Hmm . . . I suppose there would be more problems with a pro-choice girl going out with a pro-life guy, if she chose to abort. In the case of a pro-choice guy going out with a pro-life girl, well, if he's pro-choice, he'd be like 'Well, it's up to you' so, no problem.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:20 pm
Scribblemouse Hmm . . . I suppose there would be more problems with a pro-choice girl going out with a pro-life guy, if she chose to abort. In the case of a pro-choice guy going out with a pro-life girl, well, if he's pro-choice, he'd be like 'Well, it's up to you' so, no problem. I wish I had the link with me in Norway, but I don't. A pro-life man was dating a pro-choice woman who promised that if she got pregnant, she wouldn't abort because she didn't believe in abortion. Well, she got pregnant, and changed her mind. She had an abortion, and in the end, he shot himself over it. It was years ago, but it was so sad. It made me so glad I'm a woman. I wouldn't be able to handle it if the person I trusted most in the world killed my child.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:41 pm
lymelady Scribblemouse Hmm . . . I suppose there would be more problems with a pro-choice girl going out with a pro-life guy, if she chose to abort. In the case of a pro-choice guy going out with a pro-life girl, well, if he's pro-choice, he'd be like 'Well, it's up to you' so, no problem. I wish I had the link with me in Norway, but I don't. A pro-life man was dating a pro-choice woman who promised that if she got pregnant, she wouldn't abort because she didn't believe in abortion. Well, she got pregnant, and changed her mind. She had an abortion, and in the end, he shot himself over it. It was years ago, but it was so sad. It made me so glad I'm a woman. I wouldn't be able to handle it if the person I trusted most in the world killed my child. So, no problem found with pro-choice guys dating pro-life women then?
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:31 pm
I wouldn't be able to date a full fledged pro-choice guy. The guy I'm dating now is a fencer who leans more towards being pro-life, but who refuses to get involved in the debate.
As I've mentioned earlier on in this thread. I don't have a problem with pro-choice people, in fact I'm friends with quite a lot of them, however I couldn't be with someone who I felt was advocating the killing of innocent people.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:01 am
Well, there is the problem that there are men out there who will try really hard to get women to abort when they don't want to, not necessarily to be mean, but because they think it's best for both of them. There are people out there who are pro-choice just because they don't want to deal with having children but they want to have sex.
It becomes a problem for a woman when her partner keeps pressuring her into an abortion, especially if he gets really mean about it. There are examples of women who abort only because their partner wheedled and shoved and manipulated. Three years ago, when I was dating someone who wasn't very nice, if he had gotten me pregnant, I'm virtually positive I would've had an abortion, even though I was pro-life then (not as much as I am now, but still). Doing anything else would have been "selfish" and "irresponsible." I'd let my family down, you see, and what about him? How could I possibly do that to him? He said all of those things to me when we discussed the possibility.
Yeah. he was a real gem rolleyes I wish I could say I was the only one who's dated someone like that...but I know I'm not. You can go to Silent No More and look through personal accounts. Some people have stories worse than that about being coerced into an abortion. I've seen women say they were threatened, too, with violence and even deaththreats.
If you date the right pro-choice guy, the issue won't come up...but if you date someone who isn't really pro-choice in spirit, just in politics, it can be an issue.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:29 pm
I think I'm going out with a pro-choice guy - but pro-choice in a 'It's your decision. Whatever you decide, I'll support you' kind of way? I've not had enough of a scare to seriously consider abortion, but I think that if I did, he wouldn't pressure me one way or the other.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:07 pm
I'm going out with one of those. Well, except it would pretty much kill him if I aborted his children, but if it's what I really wanted, he wouldn't stand in my way.
He's for abortion being an option, but he thinks it should be used responsibly, and not later on in the pregnancy.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:10 pm
Don't know how my guy feels about the specifics. I think he's of the opinion that it's not his business *shrugs* Haven't asked him anything in-depth anyway.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:59 pm
lymelady Someone just directed me to a page that I thought was ours at first and then I realized it was in the Pro-choice guild. It's made me revisit this thought. And it occurred to me... Why would I date a man without the balls to say, "Don't kill my baby?" How can I trust a man to care for his children if he doesn't even care if I kill them? If he doesn't want me to avoid killing them? If a man can't stand up for his own rights, then I can't trust him to stand up for those of my children, and I certainly can't trust him to support my rights. Why would I want to be with such a man? Terje at least made it clear to me that he's only for abortion in certain cases, and if I abort his child without good reason, like, oh, I'm going to die, then he's out. If he hadn't...I wouldn't be with him. I can not respect a man who doesn't give a damn about his child's life unless his child is right in front of him going, Hi Daddy! my goodness I LOVE this post. Can't say I've met a man like that it's always "Well it's her decision" or "If it's rape fine, it's not my baby." ... If you don't love your child to want to save it's life, I sure as hell don't trust a man to support the child even if I did keep it. If I were to go out with someone they'd deffinately need to show me they care about kids.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:02 pm
Most men are pro-choice because they don't want to look like assholes. I've never dated someone who was against abortion. The reason for that is that most of the people I associate with are quite liberal and/or atheistic, as am I. This is a point of great contention between my friends and me.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:03 pm
personally, i find killing unborn children more assholish than not wanting a kid sweatdrop
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