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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:37 pm
When Trowa lost his memory after trying to save Quatre, and regained it later afterwards, did he regain ALL of his memories, including the ones of his past, or just...the memories he had lost recently??
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:29 pm
I think Trowa pretty well remembered his whole life up to the point he got amnesia. After all, he remembered stuff like his being a mercenary when he got his little flashback in EW. The reason he doesn't remember being Triton is probably because he was only 2 when he got separated from his family; he might have some vague memories of what his parents and sister were like, but not enough to say "Wait, Cathy's my sister?"
Here's one for you: In Episode Zero, while speaking to Heero, Odin says "the void of space, that took everything away from you". How do you interpret this? I've always figured that Heero was a survivor (maybe the lone survivor) of a shuttle explosion or something similar, which cost him his original family and maybe his memory, which was when Odin stepped in and adopted him to help establish a cover identity.
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:40 pm
That is a good idea...I never thought of that possibility for Heero's past. I had thought that it was more referring to the general idea that Heero was trained as an assassin in order to fight Oz for the space colonies, thus his life as a normal human being was dedicated and/or sacrificed for the people of space...or the well being of life in space. It was because people had begun to inhabit space that Heero's training was necessary at all, thus space was a major part of the reason for his circumstances...
That was my take on it...
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:08 am
Preventer Void Here's one for you: In Episode Zero, while speaking to Heero, Odin says "the void of space, that took everything away from you". How do you interpret this? I've always figured that Heero was a survivor (maybe the lone survivor) of a shuttle explosion or something similar, which cost him his original family and maybe his memory, which was when Odin stepped in and adopted him to help establish a cover identity. Yeah, I had pictured the same thing. Odin taking in Heero at a young age after he lost his family. Something similar to Heero and Dr. J's first encounter with each other? That's what I kind of figured. Maybe Odin's comment had something to do with the war times they were living in? Reguarding not only his family being taken from him, but also to Heero's identity. Their universe took from him what life he could have had under normal circumstances. Heero's a child yet the only childlike attributes he has are physical. He can shoot heavy missles, take down grown men, shoot a gun, plan an escape route under pressure, and who know's what else. With the few years he spent with Odin he was able to learn how to survive a war. The only playful side I was able to catch of Heero was when he referred to Odin as "Dad." I guess even that only seems to support how mature he was for his age, the fact that Heero was able to understand and respond with sarcasm. Actually, that brings up a question of my own. I found that in the series Heero seemed to express himself much more freely than he did in Episode Zero. He laughs in battle. Expressed stress, anger, shock, and frustration. But, suprisingly at a young, tender age in Episdoe Zero... he has a constant blank mask. Do you think this has to do with Odin's advice for Heero to act on his emotions? Is this just Heero living out the advice he was given? Or do you think it has to do more with differences in Doctor J's training (as opposed to Odin's) and Heero's own personal growth throughout the war? I guess to elaborate... this kind of struck me: Everyone remembers the scene where Heero's upset about the little girl's death. But, what relevance does it have? He showed no remorse when Odin, his own caretaker, dies. Throughout Episdoe Zero, I got the vibe that Heero and Odin were a great team. Even to the point where Odin cared about Heero's future, expressing that he wanted him to live a normal life and live by his emotions to prevent making the mistakes Odin had. Was it more about failure for Heero? That the girls death was due to his own faults and Odin's wasn't? Or was it symbolic? Heero killed a normal, childhood life that was innocent from war... one he was never allowed to have. Was he upset because he took from another the life that was taken from him? Any thoughts?
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:36 am
Wow awesome insight...I must say! I agree that Heero did seem more opened up in the series...and I totally forgot about his moment of sarcasm in Ep. 0... I think he did have a pretty close relationship with Odin...and he probably did feel something when he died...even if his face didn't show it.
He was upset about the little girl for all of the above reasons...he had killed her...it was a mistake...and her life was short lived--just like his. He could definitely relate to that. (Also, she is the closest thing we see as a friend to him...so he probably felt that the mistake was that much more personal. At least that's why I thought he had been clutching the flower...it must have been significant to him, and he destroyed it all with one mistake...) I also agree that he could have felt terrible for taking an innocent life...he didn't want to hurt anyone except those who hurt others...that's why he was so distraught over Marshall Noventa's death and sought the verdict of his family members...
I think his being more open in the series is directly linked to what Odin taught him. Heero specifically mentions that he was "taught" to act on emotions...and Dr J didn't strike me as the kind of person to emphasize such an idea (maybe because I didn't really sense a strong bond between them like I did with Heero and Odin) but I could be wrong there. (Although J referred to him as "that rascal" which made me wonder...)
I also can't help but remember that Heero chose to become a gundam pilot. Once Odin died...Heero seemed free to do what he wanted so when Dr J asked him...he could have said no...but upon thinking about Odin's advice...he accepted. And Dr J told Relena that Heero understood the suffering felt by the colonists under oppression...which could have also been a reason why he decided to join Dr J. Again, J mention that Relena had the same look in her eyes as Heero did...I'm guessing this was related to his comment about Heero having good eyes in Ep. 0, so Heero was already expressing more even before he met J. In short...I think it was more because of Odin than J.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:12 pm
J pushed the emotions out of Heero on orders from Dekim Barton after the incident when he killed the little girl. Dekim felt there was no place for such emotions in battle. That's why Heero was so cold at the beginning of the series. However, as he said in Endless Waltz, the death of that girl has haunted him since. He shows it when fights are near civilians. He saves Relena from the falling tower... moves battles away towns when he sees they're not empty... seeks forgiveness or punishment from Noventa's family after he kills the Marshall on mistake because of Treize's trick with the OZ shuttle...
This is his way of trying to find closure for that girl... and maybe even find his emotions again after J drove them away.
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Sailor Gundam 06 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:56 pm
So, while I should be doing my communication theory essay... I'm not. Here are some random questions I have:
...What ever happends to Mrs. Darlian? From the dramatic scene between her and Relena after Mr. Darlian's death, you would think that she would still be a great part of her daughter's life. After the first few short episodes that she is shown, we never see or hear of her again. Maybe her character served its purpose and the creators felt she wasn't necessary for the rest of the series? I dunno.
Question 2: Are there different modes within the Zero system? Or did Heero and Zechs fiddle with it? How is it that Quatre and Dorothy were able to use it so easily when they were organizing the gundams/mobile dolls in the last few episodes? Is there an "organization" part that they were using from the Zero system? Or is it that Heero and Zechs changed the system to suit Dorothy and Quatre's specific needs without freaking out?
Last question: This is kind of an odd question... but, what's with the eyebrows? I mean, both Dorothy and Treize have the little parts at the end of theirs. They're also related, so that could be a factor as to how they're similar. But, have you guys noticed that Heero's do too? I don't think it's as obvious since his hair covers them, but I could have swore his had the parts on the end. Ok, so what I'm getting at is this: Are the eyebrows just to show distinctions between characters, or is it something more.... like a sign of nobility? Could Heero perhaps have had noble roots? His eyebrows seems to be a combination of Duke Dermails and Treize's. Or is this something that's just as common as, say... Trowa and Quatre's father's hairdos? I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, but I was deep in thought the other night and it made sense at the time.
And, there you have it. Leave it to me to be thinking about these sorts of questions when I should be writing an essay.
Everyone: YOU NERD. Me: Shuddup! gonk
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:23 pm
Enonia So, while I should be doing my communication theory essay... I'm not. Here are some random questions I have: ...What ever happends to Mrs. Darlian? From the dramatic scene between her and Relena after Mr. Darlian's death, you would think that she would still be a great part of her daughter's life. After the first few short episodes that she is shown, we never see or hear of her again. Maybe her character served its purpose and the creators felt she wasn't necessary for the rest of the series? I dunno. This is probably the case. Relena had to be off learning how to be a Peacecraft; why would she hang around her old home doing nothing? I think a lot of people like to go with the bittersweet, romantic notion that Mrs. Darlian died of a broken heart shortly after losing her husband, but that sort of hurts Relena in the end, doesn't it? Enonia Question 2: Are there different modes within the Zero system? Or did Heero and Zechs fiddle with it? How is it that Quatre and Dorothy were able to use it so easily when they were organizing the gundams/mobile dolls in the last few episodes? Is there an "organization" part that they were using from the Zero system? Or is it that Heero and Zechs changed the system to suit Dorothy and Quatre's specific needs without freaking out? The ZERO System analyzes the current battle situation and calculates all possible outcomes at an incredible rate, then feeds them back to the pilot. This acts as a form of foresight (pseudo-Newtype, I suppose), but also makes the system excellent for organizing allies, since you can get a pretty good idea of what each plan of action will bring about. BTW, the madness associated with the system seems to come because, in addition to the above effects, it amplifies and controls the brainwaves associated with combat, making the pilot more effective at combat. People who are incapable of handling this effect suffer from the enhanced brainwaves, which might explain why basically everyone's "going nuts" sequence involves seeing enemies everywhere. Enonia Last question: This is kind of an odd question... but, what's with the eyebrows? I mean, both Dorothy and Treize have the little parts at the end of theirs. They're also related, so that could be a factor as to how they're similar. But, have you guys noticed that Heero's do too? I don't think it's as obvious since his hair covers them, but I could have swore his had the parts on the end. Ok, so what I'm getting at is this: Are the eyebrows just to show distinctions between characters, or is it something more.... like a sign of nobility? Could Heero perhaps have had noble roots? His eyebrows seems to be a combination of Duke Dermails and Treize's. Or is this something that's just as common as, say... Trowa and Quatre's father's hairdos? I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, but I was deep in thought the other night and it made sense at the time. Forked eyebrows are just a genetic trait, like attached earlobes or being double-jointed. All it means is that the trait runs in both the Dermail/Khushrenada families and Heero's as well. He MIGHT have noble blood in him, but I'd think that circumstances would mean that, if he were descended from the Romefeller families, it would be the result of a noble meeting a Japanese woman and having a one-night stand. Enonia And, there you have it. Leave it to me to be thinking about these sorts of questions when I should be writing an essay. Everyone: YOU NERD. Me: Shuddup! gonk Bah, if anyone's a nerd here, it's me, for knowing how the fragging heck the ZERO System works.
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:04 pm
Preventer Void This is probably the case. Relena had to be off learning how to be a Peacecraft; why would she hang around her old home doing nothing? I think a lot of people like to go with the bittersweet, romantic notion that Mrs. Darlian died of a broken heart shortly after losing her husband, but that sort of hurts Relena in the end, doesn't it? Yeah, I guess it was just the lack of closure with Mrs. Darlian that kind of threw me off. The poor woman wasn't a major figure in the series though, so they probably didn't want to waste animation time. Preventer Void The ZERO System analyzes the current battle situation and calculates all possible outcomes at an incredible rate, then feeds them back to the pilot. This acts as a form of foresight (pseudo-Newtype, I suppose), but also makes the system excellent for organizing allies, since you can get a pretty good idea of what each plan of action will bring about. BTW, the madness associated with the system seems to come because, in addition to the above effects, it amplifies and controls the brainwaves associated with combat, making the pilot more effective at combat. People who are incapable of handling this effect suffer from the enhanced brainwaves, which might explain why basically everyone's "going nuts" sequence involves seeing enemies everywhere. Sweet. That helps a lot. I was really confused why Dorothy wasn't showing any of the usual effects of the system since she was a first time ZERO user. It makes sense that if she was only using it to organize the battle that the system wouldn't screw with her head. Preventer Void Forked eyebrows are just a genetic trait, like attached earlobes or being double-jointed. All it means is that the trait runs in both the Dermail/Khushrenada families and Heero's as well. He MIGHT have noble blood in him, but I'd think that circumstances would mean that, if he were descended from the Romefeller families, it would be the result of a noble meeting a Japanese woman and having a one-night stand. That makes sense. Yeah, the creators most likely used it to show similar genetic traits. I guess it would be silly for them to use Heero's eyebrows to subtly link him to noblility. Oh, the things I think about at night. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:14 pm
im wondering why didnt zex come back using eypon in endless waltz
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:21 pm
I wounder how heros parents died.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:23 pm
Well, the idea of someone having a one-night stand with a Japanese woman would explain Heero's non-Japanese appearance. Of course, there's also the whole 'nationality vs ancestry' thing. After all, his family could have been somewhere else, and he was born in a Japanese owned territory, which would technically make him Japanese. *shrugs* That's a common problem in America. People mix up 'nationality' and 'ancestry' all the time. My ancestry is Irish, French, English, Welsh, Scottish, and German, but my nationality is American.
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I don't like the idea that Mrs. Darlian would have died blah blah blah. While it is romantic, she would have felt that she needed to be there for her daughter. She wouldn't have just given up on life. Plus, Void's right. It would have been even harder for Relena to keep going if her mother had died as well. It's bad enough having your father die in an assassination and tell you on his deathbed that you're not his real child, but add to that the fact that now you have a country of your own to rebuild, a huge legacy to live up to from your real father who you never knew, and deal with finding out that your brother is trying to kill the man you have a crush on. The last thing you need to worry about is the death of your mother on top of it. I think Relena's had it hard enough for that year.
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The question of Zechs and Epyon is an easy answer. While he obviously survived the destruction of Libra, Epyon was probably too badly damaged to reuse. So, he scrapped it. That, and everyone was coming to the realization that there shouldn't have been a need for MS anymore with the war over. He had no reason to try and repair it. However, when Mariemeia comes to town, he realizes that he needs an MS. Treize had made three MS... but we only see two of them before he dies... Epyon, and Tallgeese II. Zechs finds out about the third and requests it from Lady Une, which apparently she knew where it was being kept. Enter the Tallgeese III.
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Odin mentions something about the void of space stealing Heero's family, memories, and name. It's fairly safe to speculate that his family could have died in a shuttle accident or one of the Alliance attacks on a colony.
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Sailor Gundam 06 Vice Captain
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:24 pm
Depending on whether or not you accept alternate tellings, the GW novel says that Epyon is at the bottom of the ocean when the series ends. It doesn't say in what condition, so I'm pretty sure it's only there as a Macguffin to let the readers know that Zechs survived the final battle.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:29 pm
Preventer Void Depending on whether or not you accept alternate tellings, the GW novel says that Epyon is at the bottom of the ocean when the series ends. It doesn't say in what condition, so I'm pretty sure it's only there as a Macguffin to let the readers know that Zechs survived the final battle. Probably, for that situation. I think Epyon was Zechs being against Heero. By taking Tallgeese III instead, he's showing he wants to fight FOR the Earth and WITH the others instead of against them again. Hence the reason it's 'gone', for all intents and purposes, after the series. Now, my question is... Preventer 5. The group that hijacks the Sanc Kingdom Palace during Relena's party... there's someone that looks a heck of a lot like Zechs AND they call themselves Epyon de Telos. Any theories?
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Sailor Gundam 06 Vice Captain
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Preventer Void Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:37 pm
I always assumed Zechs infiltrated the group as part of Preventer's plan to bring them down. In fact, they say "the outcome ought to be obvious if you rewatch the show"; do you really think Zechs would leave his little sister high and dry?
And I think they went with Epyon del Telos ("the next terror") specifically for poetic reasons.
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