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we have alreayd established that everything we will be discussing is flawed, everything. . no one can prove that anything is truely real, theirfor everything is flawed. .you cannot just disregard my arguments becuase they are flawed in the same way all logic is flawed. .

and, again, it isnt flip flopping, it is your consious decision to act like you have no idea what I am talking abut just to argue and say that I am wrong. .

I talked about strength and skill in several different ways, responding to different questions. . but, used it the same throughout each question's answer..

and I really havent change the terminology, just shortened it becuae I thought we all could be big girls and not try to pick apart an argument using grammar again as the means . . but, clearly I was mistaken. .

I didnt say that someone couldnt awaken by having a memory. . I said it depends on the situation. . if you are going to even attempt to argue something, you should atleast read it through fully. .

and also, getting angry at the past isnt the same as shifting back into it. . it all depends how the person takes it. .

as Dorian has already pointed out, I dont call myself otherkin. . so this has nothing to do with me saying I am "better" than you. .
and why do we have the title?. . why do we have any title?. . why are their blacks, jews, christians?. . becuase we like to lable things. .and, in some ways labeling things that are different helps one to deal with them. . if you know someone is Indian you wont go up to them and offer them a dead cow. . labels can help, they can harm, but why ever we do it, we do it. .

and again, nothing we know is truely real, so everything is flawed. .so saying that anything I say is flawed is an old argument. . we have already aggreed that everything is flawed. .

their are pros and cons to being otherkin. . I never said it was superior, and if you think I did, that was clearly a misinterpretation. . the pros of being otherkin are having the energetic skill and the such, the cons, being trapped in the past in a way, and not being able to let go of things and grow in a way. . their are pros and cons, I never siad their wasnt. .

if you merged with the past you, accepting what you have done, you wouldnt necessarily be insane. .merge implies you merge to become one functioning mind. . not just having the 2 of you in 1 body, now that could get hairy. . but, the possibilities their are numberous as to what could happen, and I wont even bother getting into it. .

again, you are not understanding the concepts. .I never said that you loose everything, I said numberous times that for someone normal, their past would be like a footprint on a page instead of a bold title, as that of an otherkin. . you dont truely loose it all, just at an energetic level you give up much of that energy, what hasnt alreayd been internalized. . becuase I do beleive that the things you learn, like spiritual growth and the such, arent wiped out, they are internalized into you. . but, the problems and emotions and energy of that past life are supposed to be wiped out. . becuase, they are baggage. . it is hard to continue onremembering the love you had for someone else that isnt even on the same planet as you are, or knowing that you were tortured to death and things their will not be made right becuae they are gone and you have died and reincarnated. . it isnt all peaches and cream. . their are pros to haveing the past energy, and some cons too. .

I have my beleifs as to how the universe and much in it works. . now, I never said that I know everything, and I repeatedly said I dont have all the answers in numberous posts. . clearly you disregarded that to be now accusing me of saying I know everything, when that is not waht I said. . again, you are interpreting things to suite your beleifs that I am a dumbass with a big ego who knows s**t. .and so your suppositions about me blinds you to the true meaning of anything I am saying. .

I say I find no purpose in telling you my beleifs, becuase you have already shown that you are not even slightly open to anything I have to say. . besides, everything is subjective, and I cannot tell you what to feel about how things are run. . if you want to know, go find out for yourself, and form your own assumptoins. . becuase that is all they are, which we have discussed endlessly, only assumptions. .

do it yourself is a good arguemnt. . as said before, and shown, logic is flawed, and if you know to truely know something you have to truely *know* it, which goes beyond logic. .

again, everything we know is through personal experiences. . your personal experinece with the physics book is where you get your understanding of physics. . what if you read it wrong?. . what if that is not what they intended?. . what if your teacher doesnt know what they really ment?. . what if that book never even existed, and you imagined it?. . but, that stuff in that book, guess what, epopel found that out through their own personal experinece. . and, then they wrote it down, you didnt do all those tests in their yourself. . so, you are using personal exerpience for everything you know.. so saying that you should go have a first hand account of something instead of just reading a book and professing your devotion to it seems rather reasonable to me. .

and again, if you arent going to trust personal expeirnces, you cant trust anything at all. . so, as we have alreayd said, nothing I can say or you can say is going to prove anything. . becuase their is no way to prove anything. .

again, this sint a brush off.. this is me saying that even having this argument is pointless becuase you arent getting anything from it. . becuase you dont even beleive I am real, so theirfor anything I have to say you arent going to take into account. . and, asssuming that some things really are real, I personally beleive that if I am the only thing that I can beleive to be real, becuase I am me, then my expereinces are all that I can really even try to base things off of, so asking you to have your own experiences is a valid point as any. . it is the only way we can even try to undrestand things. . everything you are basing your claimes on are from 2d hand experinece, such as science textbooks. . so, I am asking you to actually try for some first hand experineces. . (at which point you take offense to me even suggesting that you actually try to find out what you are claiming to know about). .

I never said that what you have to see is going to be the same as what I see. . I said that, but, I would honestly respect you a whole lot more if you actually tried to find out and have first hand experineces, than to just make logical claimes based of 2d hand experiences. .

just becuase you mostly have control of your body doesnt mean that you cant have some small slip ups becuase of your energetic issues. . this isnt an all or nothing thing. . often things lie in between. .

ok, referencing a "whining post"(which wasnt the post I was referring to, showing you were just trying to whine yourself putting that in their), when I had posted what you had said to me. . and you call that whining. . well, that was rude enough for me to say bye to you. . this is about the end of what I am even gong to read of your posts, since you are gone, their is really no point to continue on. .

It's a shame I've been gone for the last several days, and just missed the discussion/banning, lol.

I think Werewolf otherkin are supposed to be were-therians technically.

I also am more prone to believe in paradoxes then anything else.

(Edit in-)Could means can, not does, not doesn't, not always, not never.

This was raised to my attention by DraconicFlames in the Witchcraft Thread (see page 1240 of the thread) and she wished for the following message to be posted in here. Now, I personally haven't been following this thread, but here's what she had to say:

[EDIT: Now, the guild owner nicely informed me that a few posts earlier it was mentioned that anyone posting for DF will be banned. Please understand that I'm not attempting to cause trouble here nor do I particularly consider DF a friend; I'd have done this for anyone who asked unless the content they wanted me to post was blantantly offensive. I posted this up before I was aware of this ultimatum and I don't honestly feel that I should take it down as it's a relatively courteous FYI to those who have been following this thread. If a MOD wants to remove this post, by all means do; just please don't rashly banninate me]



And note... I will absolutely NOT be some sort of 'posting liason' for DF's thoughts in the future. I've found her to be relatively brash on some topics in the Witchcraft Thread as well, so perhaps she did deserve a ban? I don't know... but I guess I'll actually bother to read through the thread now. xd

(bows) Thankyouthankyouthankyou. I went back and attempted to read some of the earlier posts and oiy... that's a butload of stuff to read even for me who is used to reading pages and pages and pages. I did get a better idea of why you did what you did though. DF can rub people the wrong way at times particularly on this topic and I can't say I approve of that much either (though I've seen far worse xd ). I might not put much credit in the conept of otherkin either, but I don't dismiss it entirely.

yah, I mean, I understand people who dont beleive. . this is fine. . but, it is like she came in here to convert us or something. . and whenever me and Dorian showed her that she hadnt proven that otherkin are fake, she just said that our proof doesnt count or this or that. . and then threw in personal insults to me. . I mean, she said I have no common sense, said I fell in the shower, and a bunch of other things(and me quoting all the insults she had made to me she calls the whining post, showing she cant even accept what she has written). . now, I think I took this rather well, an I did admit I was rude, but, whoa, she was ubber rude. . I see no point in having a discussoin with someone that treats me like an invalid, even after warnings. . or that ignores arguments that she cant tear apart. . it is just pointless. .

Yes, I pity everyone who decides to read everything that has been posted.

We've established:
DF is a b***h.
I'm an a*****e.
Lapis was rude.
And Sin...has purple hair on her avi right now.

I think we might as well leave that to turn to dust, or take it to pms. At this point any further comments would actually be bashing.

P.S. Lapis, if I were to treat you like DF had been, I don't think you could ban me. Lost would have to, lol.

lol. . lost read this, and said she would promote me to Vice Captain, let me ban you, then demote me back down to crew. . XDD