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 Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:04 pm
i've decided now to not be confirmed as a catholic. it's nothing personal against catholocism, the pope, the bible, God, christianity, or anything. i just think that all of the three are really the same thing, they all try to say the same thing, and the important thing is that we get that message rather than how well we can memorize quotes. ya know? i just see so much hatred over things like that, wars over who's God's favorite spokesman, who gets the lakefront property of heaven, all that... and i see people too busy disecting WORDS rather than what everyone knows they mean... the definition of "is", the definition of 'cloven hooves' or 'though shalt not kill', or 'one hour before taking the eucharist', does that mean 1 hour before mass or the time it touches your tounge, is halfway down your throat, or hits your stomache acids?
i think people miss the point a lot of times, and it's really simple... too simple to really put into words, it's just... inherent. basically, the words that come to mind would be "CALM DOWN!" or maybe "CHILL!" i mean, it's pretty straight forward- ya don't kill, steal, or do anything you know is wrong. if you have to make up excuses for yourself, don't do it.
fin.
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:08 pm
xd I know exactly what you mean with the formalities and things overriding the meaning.
But thou shalt not kill is actually a valid one because it's translated from Hebrew, and the Hebrew word for it doesn't have an exact english translation. It's more akin to "Thou shalt not murder," than "Thou shalt not kill," because it isn't saying not to kill, it's saying not to kill without a just reason.
The one hour before Eucharist thing always made me wonder. I mean, I know it's so that your digestive system is all clean for Jesus, but...it takes awhile to digest food.
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:00 am
yeah, i know the though-shalt not kill thing is a good one, but people find ways to screw with the definition... though shalt not kill.... except animals and people we don't like. or though shalt not kill.... christians
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:12 pm
Thou shalt not kill...um...dragonflies! You can kill all the other bugs, but dragonflies are pretty. Why? BECAUSE I SAY SO DARN YOU!
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:10 am
I am southern baptist.... and accepted Christ into my life when I was 10 or so.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:47 pm
nuwa I am southern baptist.... and accepted Christ into my life when I was 10 or so. No offense intended, but I never really understood that stuff. "Accepted Christ into my life at ." I mean, I don't know when I actively thought of Jesus as part of my life, but He's always just sort of been there to me. And I never got anything out of the many meetings of non-Catholic origin where they are all like, "Accept Jesus into your life!" And I do everything they say, but I'm still like, "Ah, so, am I supposed to feel any different? Because I don't." But then again, like I said, He's always just sort of been -there-, close as my own thoughts. I didn't feel a need to, accept that he was there, it was just a fact.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:31 pm
I don't believe in orgainzed religion, but I believe in god. I checked other, because although some would classify me as agnostic thats not true, I do worship god, and agnosticism would only be the belief in the possibility of God. I've stated my beliefs in here in a more complicated manner, but basically now I'm clear. I base the credibility of each religion based on scientific proof, cultural context, and belief in falliblity of each religion. I so far have read the bible, read the koran, read books written by the dahli lama, am reading currently the gnostic texts that were left out of the bible, and even some books on witchcraft(which I don't really believe in but I find it amusing to read). I keep an open mind about each religion and its merits and don't limit my self to one or put labels on myself like christian, budhist, or gnostic, or basically whatever. In some ways my religious beliefs have become similar to my political ones, where I judge each issue by its merits and not the people that back it.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:11 pm
yeah, that's basically where i'm at, in the middle of the three major religions... it's really the same God, just different ways of seeing how He acts.
it is also possible that even christianity, judaism and islam are polytheistic as well... i notice in genesis God refers often to others, who are not God nor Adam/Eve.. "they are like US" and "we" and the likes... also, "though shalt have no Gods before me" implies that there are others to be had, and He may even condone them, but He is still the head honcho. now, this is evidence taken directly from the bible, AND it is just a theory, not something i really believe, just something i keep in the back of my mind as a possibility.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:40 pm
divineseraph yeah, that's basically where i'm at, in the middle of the three major religions... it's really the same God, just different ways of seeing how He acts. it is also possible that even christianity, judaism and islam are polytheistic as well... i notice in genesis God refers often to others, who are not God nor Adam/Eve.. "they are like US" and "we" and the likes... also, "though shalt have no Gods before me" implies that there are others to be had, and He may even condone them, but He is still the head honcho. now, this is evidence taken directly from the bible, AND it is just a theory, not something i really believe, just something i keep in the back of my mind as a possibility. To the first one, it is the Catholic standing that He is speaking in the royal We, or that He is speaking as the three Persons as opposed to the one God. As to the second, I don't know if that is just the translation, but I've thought of that as well... I mean, you could conceivably hold that the Angels are "gods" in a way, but they are not God and should not stand before Him. It all depends on your definition of God, though. If you mean an all powerful, all knowing being, I think it would hold to say that the Bible would say there is only one. If you mean someone with supernatural abilities surpassing those of humans, as I said, angels and demons would fit that description, so obviously there are some, but they don't hold a candle to God.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:02 pm
I.Am nuwa I am southern baptist.... and accepted Christ into my life when I was 10 or so. No offense intended, but I never really understood that stuff. "Accepted Christ into my life at ." I mean, I don't know when I actively thought of Jesus as part of my life, but He's always just sort of been there to me. And I never got anything out of the many meetings of non-Catholic origin where they are all like, "Accept Jesus into your life!" And I do everything they say, but I'm still like, "Ah, so, am I supposed to feel any different? Because I don't." But then again, like I said, He's always just sort of been -there-, close as my own thoughts. I didn't feel a need to, accept that he was there, it was just a fact.Of course he has always been there for all of us since birth its a matter of do we choose to believe and accept that he is there to help us or not. Up until I was about 10 or so I thought it was all just a nice little story. Then it hit me this s**t is real. I asked him to lead my life and to help me hear his words. Although I have gotten off track and some times dont listen he is there all the time. And by you knowing that he is there is accepting that hes there and not going any where. Its the same thing hun.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:01 pm
I.Am divineseraph yeah, that's basically where i'm at, in the middle of the three major religions... it's really the same God, just different ways of seeing how He acts. it is also possible that even christianity, judaism and islam are polytheistic as well... i notice in genesis God refers often to others, who are not God nor Adam/Eve.. "they are like US" and "we" and the likes... also, "though shalt have no Gods before me" implies that there are others to be had, and He may even condone them, but He is still the head honcho. now, this is evidence taken directly from the bible, AND it is just a theory, not something i really believe, just something i keep in the back of my mind as a possibility. To the first one, it is the Catholic standing that He is speaking in the royal We, or that He is speaking as the three Persons as opposed to the one God. As to the second, I don't know if that is just the translation, but I've thought of that as well... I mean, you could conceivably hold that the Angels are "gods" in a way, but they are not God and should not stand before Him. It all depends on your definition of God, though. If you mean an all powerful, all knowing being, I think it would hold to say that the Bible would say there is only one. If you mean someone with supernatural abilities surpassing those of humans, as I said, angels and demons would fit that description, so obviously there are some, but they don't hold a candle to God. how could the three persons thing work? wasn't this in genesis, before Jesus was around?
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:53 pm
divineseraph I.Am divineseraph yeah, that's basically where i'm at, in the middle of the three major religions... it's really the same God, just different ways of seeing how He acts. it is also possible that even christianity, judaism and islam are polytheistic as well... i notice in genesis God refers often to others, who are not God nor Adam/Eve.. "they are like US" and "we" and the likes... also, "though shalt have no Gods before me" implies that there are others to be had, and He may even condone them, but He is still the head honcho. now, this is evidence taken directly from the bible, AND it is just a theory, not something i really believe, just something i keep in the back of my mind as a possibility. To the first one, it is the Catholic standing that He is speaking in the royal We, or that He is speaking as the three Persons as opposed to the one God. As to the second, I don't know if that is just the translation, but I've thought of that as well... I mean, you could conceivably hold that the Angels are "gods" in a way, but they are not God and should not stand before Him. It all depends on your definition of God, though. If you mean an all powerful, all knowing being, I think it would hold to say that the Bible would say there is only one. If you mean someone with supernatural abilities surpassing those of humans, as I said, angels and demons would fit that description, so obviously there are some, but they don't hold a candle to God. how could the three persons thing work? wasn't this in genesis, before Jesus was around? The three persons always were, are, and will be. Jesus has always been around, is around, will always be around. He only took human form for a time, but he was always "around."
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:03 pm
nuwa I.Am nuwa I am southern baptist.... and accepted Christ into my life when I was 10 or so. No offense intended, but I never really understood that stuff. "Accepted Christ into my life at ." I mean, I don't know when I actively thought of Jesus as part of my life, but He's always just sort of been there to me. And I never got anything out of the many meetings of non-Catholic origin where they are all like, "Accept Jesus into your life!" And I do everything they say, but I'm still like, "Ah, so, am I supposed to feel any different? Because I don't." But then again, like I said, He's always just sort of been -there-, close as my own thoughts. I didn't feel a need to, accept that he was there, it was just a fact.Of course he has always been there for all of us since birth its a matter of do we choose to believe and accept that he is there to help us or not. Up until I was about 10 or so I thought it was all just a nice little story. Then it hit me this s**t is real. I asked him to lead my life and to help me hear his words. Although I have gotten off track and some times dont listen he is there all the time. And by you knowing that he is there is accepting that hes there and not going any where. Its the same thing hun. No, it's really not. Please don't take this as rude, but to me, it's always seemed to me like it... Cheapens it, just a little bit, to "accept" that He's there. I mean, He's -there,- whether you say it out loud or not. I don't know. It's like, say, my mouse here. It's here. But there's really no need to say it or actively think, "My mouse is right here." Because it's simply a fact. And saying, "My mouse is here" is stating the obvious and just silly. It's not going to help me use the mouse, the mouse isn't going to refuse to do things if I don't actively acknowledge it's presence. Only, doing that with God seems much cheaper, because it's like, duh He's there. What would make you think He wasn't? It's almost insulting. But that's just me. Maybe I was just lucky in the way I was brought up, but it was never just a story to me. It was never anything less nor more then He is -there,- He exists, He is an intregal part of my life. He may not do huge things like drop a million dollars in my lap, but I thank God for the small things he does, like when I wake up in the morning alert after only 5 hours because of a late night of studying. Or when I do well on a test. In fact, fairly recently, I tried to just "forget" about Him, because I thought it might do me some good to see my religion and my life from the outside. But it didn't work. I can't deny His existence. I can't pretend I don't "know" Him. He simply Is, and that's all He could ever be.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:07 pm
I.Am nuwa I.Am nuwa I am southern baptist.... and accepted Christ into my life when I was 10 or so. No offense intended, but I never really understood that stuff. "Accepted Christ into my life at ." I mean, I don't know when I actively thought of Jesus as part of my life, but He's always just sort of been there to me. And I never got anything out of the many meetings of non-Catholic origin where they are all like, "Accept Jesus into your life!" And I do everything they say, but I'm still like, "Ah, so, am I supposed to feel any different? Because I don't." But then again, like I said, He's always just sort of been -there-, close as my own thoughts. I didn't feel a need to, accept that he was there, it was just a fact.Of course he has always been there for all of us since birth its a matter of do we choose to believe and accept that he is there to help us or not. Up until I was about 10 or so I thought it was all just a nice little story. Then it hit me this s**t is real. I asked him to lead my life and to help me hear his words. Although I have gotten off track and some times dont listen he is there all the time. And by you knowing that he is there is accepting that hes there and not going any where. Its the same thing hun. No, it's really not. Please don't take this as rude, but to me, it's always seemed to me like it... Cheapens it, just a little bit, to "accept" that He's there. I mean, He's -there,- whether you say it out loud or not. I don't know. It's like, say, my mouse here. It's here. But there's really no need to say it or actively think, "My mouse is right here." Because it's simply a fact. And saying, "My mouse is here" is stating the obvious and just silly. It's not going to help me use the mouse, the mouse isn't going to refuse to do things if I don't actively acknowledge it's presence. Only, doing that with God seems much cheaper, because it's like, duh He's there. What would make you think He wasn't? It's almost insulting. But that's just me. Maybe I was just lucky in the way I was brought up, but it was never just a story to me. It was never anything less nor more then He is -there,- He exists, He is an intregal part of my life. He may not do huge things like drop a million dollars in my lap, but I thank God for the small things he does, like when I wake up in the morning alert after only 5 hours because of a late night of studying. Or when I do well on a test. In fact, fairly recently, I tried to just "forget" about Him, because I thought it might do me some good to see my religion and my life from the outside. But it didn't work. I can't deny His existence. I can't pretend I don't "know" Him. He simply Is, and that's all He could ever be. okay
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:08 pm
I.Am nuwa I.Am nuwa I am southern baptist.... and accepted Christ into my life when I was 10 or so. No offense intended, but I never really understood that stuff. "Accepted Christ into my life at ." I mean, I don't know when I actively thought of Jesus as part of my life, but He's always just sort of been there to me. And I never got anything out of the many meetings of non-Catholic origin where they are all like, "Accept Jesus into your life!" And I do everything they say, but I'm still like, "Ah, so, am I supposed to feel any different? Because I don't." But then again, like I said, He's always just sort of been -there-, close as my own thoughts. I didn't feel a need to, accept that he was there, it was just a fact.Of course he has always been there for all of us since birth its a matter of do we choose to believe and accept that he is there to help us or not. Up until I was about 10 or so I thought it was all just a nice little story. Then it hit me this s**t is real. I asked him to lead my life and to help me hear his words. Although I have gotten off track and some times dont listen he is there all the time. And by you knowing that he is there is accepting that hes there and not going any where. Its the same thing hun. No, it's really not. Please don't take this as rude, but to me, it's always seemed to me like it... Cheapens it, just a little bit, to "accept" that He's there. I mean, He's -there,- whether you say it out loud or not. I don't know. It's like, say, my mouse here. It's here. But there's really no need to say it or actively think, "My mouse is right here." Because it's simply a fact. And saying, "My mouse is here" is stating the obvious and just silly. It's not going to help me use the mouse, the mouse isn't going to refuse to do things if I don't actively acknowledge it's presence. Only, doing that with God seems much cheaper, because it's like, duh He's there. What would make you think He wasn't? It's almost insulting. But that's just me. Maybe I was just lucky in the way I was brought up, but it was never just a story to me. It was never anything less nor more then He is -there,- He exists, He is an intregal part of my life. He may not do huge things like drop a million dollars in my lap, but I thank God for the small things he does, like when I wake up in the morning alert after only 5 hours because of a late night of studying. Or when I do well on a test. In fact, fairly recently, I tried to just "forget" about Him, because I thought it might do me some good to see my religion and my life from the outside. But it didn't work. I can't deny His existence. I can't pretend I don't "know" Him. He simply Is, and that's all He could ever be. i find the larger miracles to be good too... like existance. it doesn't have to be spectacular... just a tree flooded with sunlight, the stars on a clear night. then again, that brings to mind family guy... peter- *looking at a bag floating in the wind* it's like a benevolent force is telling me that everything is going to be alright... God- it's a freaking piece of trash blowing in the wind!!! don't you know how complicated your circulatory system is?!
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