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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:59 pm
Yeah, poor Johalva. Giving Leaf or Lachesis axes sounds like such a waste though, since, as you pointed out, they get swords. Marty doesn't even deserve a promotion (though his gains are quite impressive in the areas he needs them, it's a little late for that and Skl/Spd would STILL be low with those fat boosts), in my eyes. And there are lots of units who want the Sety and Odo scrolls, as I'm sure you're aware. Being the best 'candidate' for them because you suck otherwise is no bueno. It's basically a disability. I know you're a fan of his, though.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:37 pm
This is a hard one for me because I generally do not use axe users PERIOD, with Hector being the one exception (and Boyd too, I suppose). Generally speaking. (Unless I'm going for supports or something.) I'd much rather have magic users, sword users, bow users, and even lance users and dancers/bards/herons than an army of axe users. Too much power, not enough speed, defense, accuracy, or dodge, but that's just my issue with the classes themselves, especially Fighters and Warriors.
Best: Boyd (since this is Fighter/Warrior) in FE 9, as I have not played 10.
Worst: There are SO MANY PEOPLE I COULD PICK FOR THIS. Bartre's pretty much only good for supports and/or getting Karla; Dorcas has little to no use after the chapter(s) you get him in; Ross starts out as a baby unit and is probably better as a Berserker or Hero; all those fighters in FE 11 who are better used as cannon fodder; even Geitz who has some of the worst overall stat averages; and I could go on. However, based on my experience, I'm going to have to go with Dorcas. Yes, I know there are others who are probably worse than him based off of average stats, but . . . he sucks. Cursed with little to no defense and not much more speed, he's not much use as a tank and will probably get killed several times as a Fighter before her gets enough strength to take out the enemies before they take him out, assuming he can hit them. I'd rather have a weak Mage than a strong Fighter, and Dorcas just isn't useful for anything but supports in my book.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:37 pm
FD And I particularly like Lugh, too. He looks like a banana before promoting xD. ...What. Anyway, on to it... I'm having a hard time choosing my worst, but I'll just have to go from who I remember. Best: Nolan (Love him. The earth affinity gave him the extra push. ..Why did somebody choose him as worst??) Worst: Dorcas
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:24 am
Best: Boyd
Worst: Dorcas
I put poison in his mutton.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:30 pm
Alright the votes have been tallied and the new topic is up. Best/Worst Dark Magic user. See the first post for a little bit more details.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:33 pm
Best: Ray. Awesome. Worst: Sophia. I love her as a character, but her accuracy is too sucky for me.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:55 pm
..Dark magic, eh? I can't really do this one honestly as dark magic isn't usable in the FE's I actually like, although Julius gets the merit of being the coolest, most badass Lopto mage. Regardless, onward I go.
Best: Salem? (FE5) Seriously, he's the only playable dark mage in the FE's I play and like. D: A-at least he comes with a decent staff magic level and can use Wind tomes...
Worst: Dierdre?? (FE4)- She counts cause she has minor Lopto blood, but too bad she's only in one in a half chapters and can only use light magic, eh?
Worst (For legit this time) Lyon (FE cool - Cheap rip off of a bad rehash of Julius if he was a pansy. Story-mode, much like much things in FE8, he dies in one hit and when you finally get to use him, you've beaten everything and there really isn't much to do except rape things in an empty fashon with Naglfar.
However, if Shamans count, Best is Julia of FE4 as she gets the rape wand of Narga and can't really die in any chapter, more of get locked up, and Dierdre is the worst Shaman as she is only available for one and a half chapters.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:00 pm
They count if dark magic is what their highest ranked magic when starting out. FE4 Shamans don't count in this since they can't even use dark magic. GBA Shamans do though.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:11 pm
Best: Ray. He has had the best stats overall for me.
Worst: This is a tough one for me. On one hand, there is Knoll. I use him every now and then, but since he comes a little later than usual, I already have my magic users picked out. Then we have Sophia. She comes at level one, however she has room for improvement if you take the time to baby her. But when it comes down to it, I am already using Ray. So I will be going with Sophia. Nothing against her. It is just that I already have a Druid that I will be using.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:25 pm
 E-eh?! Where did this come from?! (Lol@Sigurd holding four Holsety tomes, Nightmare hacks, FTW!) No, but seriously, if Dierdre doesn't count, then I've got nothin' for ya' for worst. xD Although she should as she can use it in theory, she just doesn't have access to any dark tomes..
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:34 pm
The Lolwut Pear  E-eh?! Where did this come from?! (Lol@Sigurd holding four Holsety tomes, Nightmare hacks, FTW!) No, but seriously, if Dierdre doesn't count, then I've got nothin' for ya' for worst. xD Although she should as she can use it in theory, she just doesn't have access to any dark tomes.. It's her class that is what makes me say no since the shaman class in FE4 uses only light magic and staves. Yes in theory she could with the minor Lopto blood, but because of how her class is set up is why I say no.
You do have to give me a worst that I will count for your vote to count though. It's stated on the first post.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:52 pm
Lolwut, your dependance on the SNES games is hurting you here. There's more to FE than Jugdral, you know.
Best: Rei Niime
Worst: Sophia
Dark Magic users are quite sparse in the series, so it's slimmer pickings than usual. And not to step on anybody's toes, but they're overrated. They have access to some fun tomes, yeah, but as units, they're generally not spectacular or anything. But Canas, Rei, and Ewan get hailed by people as fantastic, when the first two are rather average (you KNOW you can list plenty of units that are better than them) while Ewan is quite trashy from a debating standpoint.
For best, I really couldn't decide between Rei, Canas, and Niime. Yes, Niime. I suppose Salem could compete with them, too, but he's just… there. Nothing TOO special (you're going to want him to use Wind magic whenever possible like all your other magic units anyway). Rei and Canas are both good units (they're not terribly impressive, to be honest, but they're definitely reliable and can get the job done), while Niime is great for all sorts of things that other people aren't. I was originally giving it to Rei, who has better speed, avoid, and infinitely better and more reasonable support options in comparison with Canas having access to a somewhat better starting time and Luna (and Luna is nice, but it's so situational). But then it occured to me that Niime has utility that neither of them can match, and excellent weapon ranks (she's frail, but Nosferatu fixes any durability issues). You can actually warp skip chapters FE5-style with Niime which is something practically no one else can do (best Physic user, too) and almost guarantees you can take advantage of Apocalypse if you want to (sure Ray can, but you have to push for that weapon rank, and you might not use Rei in a certain runthrough, but you can always just decide to pick up Niime when she joins). Plus, she doesn't cost a Guiding Ring (which actually matters in FE6 than usual, since you only get two in a reasonable time frame that you don't have to buy yourself and they're probably going to a healer and Anima user.
For worst, Knoll and Pelleas might have unfortunate joining situations, but they've got NOTHING on the hole Sophia is in. Absolutely abysmal joining stats (TWO skl and the least accurate magic type? REALLY?, tragic defenses, and an attack spd of 1-2 depending on what tome she's using). Possibly the worst "Est-type" ever. Definitely among the worst of them, at least.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:26 pm
Personal preferences plzkthx. mad And I know, can't forget about Akaneia, eh? heart And I agree, I usually don't really use Dark Mages when I used to play the later series, but Fenrir is badass in FE5 and Salem is the only one who can use it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:57 pm
Best: hmm...I'm going to say Rei on this one
Worst: Sophia
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:03 pm
Manic Martini Lolwut, your dependance on the SNES games is hurting you here. There's more to FE than Jugdral, you know. Best: Rei Niime Worst: Sophia Dark Magic users are quite sparse in the series, so it's slimmer pickings than usual. And not to step on anybody's toes, but they're overrated. They have access to some fun tomes, yeah, but as units, they're generally not spectacular or anything. But Canas, Rei, and Ewan get hailed by people as fantastic, when the first two are rather average (you KNOW you can list plenty of units that are better than them) while Ewan is quite trashy from a debating standpoint. For best, I really couldn't decide between Rei, Canas, and Niime. Yes, Niime. I suppose Salem could compete with them, too, but he's just… there. Nothing TOO special (you're going to want him to use Wind magic whenever possible like all your other magic units anyway). Rei and Canas are both good units (they're not terribly impressive, to be honest, but they're definitely reliable and can get the job done), while Niime is great for all sorts of things that other people aren't. I was originally giving it to Rei, who has better speed, avoid, and infinitely better and more reasonable support options in comparison with Canas having access to a somewhat better starting time and Luna (and Luna is nice, but it's so situational). But then it occured to me that Niime has utility that neither of them can match, and excellent weapon ranks (she's frail, but Nosferatu fixes any durability issues). You can actually warp skip chapters FE5-style with Niime which is something practically no one else can do (best Physic user, too) and almost guarantees you can take advantage of Apocalypse if you want to (sure Ray can, but you have to push for that weapon rank, and you might not use Rei in a certain runthrough, but you can always just decide to pick up Niime when she joins). Plus, she doesn't cost a Guiding Ring (which actually matters in FE6 than usual, since you only get two in a reasonable time frame that you don't have to buy yourself and they're probably going to a healer and Anima user. For worst, Knoll and Pelleas might have unfortunate joining situations, but they've got NOTHING on the hole Sophia is in. Absolutely abysmal joining stats (TWO skl and the least accurate magic type? REALLY?, tragic defenses, and an attack spd of 1-2 depending on what tome she's using). Possibly the worst "Est-type" ever. Definitely among the worst of them, at least. I didn't pick Knoll for worst for bad joining time. No it's the 0 Luck at level 10 that kills him. He will not be able to hit much of anything with even Flux. Just to prove my point I'll use math.
This is the formula for accuracy = Weapon Hit + (Skill x 2) + (Luck / 2) + Support bonus + Weapon triangle bonus + S Rank bonus
When you get him in chapter 15 he does have flux on him. Flux's weapon hit is 80. Knoll's base skill is 9. His luck is 0. and when starting out no support or S rank bonus and he gets +/- 15 depending on if he takes on light or anima magic users. so at best against anima users he has a hit of 113 and at worst against light magic users 83 which is kinda low not even taking into account the enemy's avoid.
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