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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:31 pm
Kindly tell me how homosexuality is an action. How can I homosexuality? I cannot homosexuality. Ex. I homosexualitied yesterday. Homosexuality is a noun. A thing. A choice, at that. *Homosexual* is an adjective.
ho·mo·sex·u·al
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality. 2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex. –noun 3. a homosexual person.
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ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
–noun sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:20 pm
kuntrykid The entire old testament was not done away with. For example, Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Romans14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offense. These verses repeal the "unclean meat" law. There is no verse repealing Leviticus 18:22 And before anyone says the "all things are pure" part, homosexuality is an action, not a thing. Also, of course all people are capable of love! All people are capable of homosexuality and heterosexuality too! I believe people are naturally heterosexual and, as I have had to state many times, homosexuality is a choice. Just because there's not a verse stating it was done away with, doesn't mean it isn't so. For example, do you still offer yearly sacrifices? Or set up the churches to be replicas of the tabernacle/temple according to god's specifications? And with that verse in Romans, I'm pretty sure, and most pastors preach a lot on this, is the main concept he was trying to get across. Not just about the meat. Lets look at that verse more closely. Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. This verse basically says nothing is wrong....things are only wrong to the people who think they are wrong. This can also be taken the opposite way. If someone thinks something is right, it must be right. So, what I'm getting here is, "Homosexuality isn't wrong. But if you think its wrong for you, then don't be gay." ...simple as that. So let the ones who think its right alone! They aren't trying to make you gay, are they? It's doesn't matter whether or not homosexuality is a choice or comes naturally to a person...who are any of us to say it's wrong or right for anyone other than ourselves? ((And to me, this verse is just another one that shows how utterly bogus the bible and god are. :/ Obviously there are things that are wrong. Murder is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Why? Because the laws of the country says so and laws are made to be a benefit to the country/state. The super religious freaks that go and burn down abortion clinics, murder people, or steal from others justify their selves from verses like those. :/ ))
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:47 am
~Demonic Muffin~ Kindly tell me how homosexuality is an action. How can I homosexuality? I cannot homosexuality. Ex. I homosexualitied yesterday. Homosexuality is a noun. A thing. A choice, at that. *Homosexual* is an adjective.
ho·mo·sex·u·al
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality. 2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex. –noun 3. a homosexual person.
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ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
–noun sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex. I must admit, the first part was funny. But homosexuality is not a thing. You can't go into a store and say "Hey, I'd like to buy a box of homosexuality. What isle is it on?". That's the point I was trying to make.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:52 am
kuntrykid ~Demonic Muffin~ Kindly tell me how homosexuality is an action. How can I homosexuality? I cannot homosexuality. Ex. I homosexualitied yesterday. Homosexuality is a noun. A thing. A choice, at that. *Homosexual* is an adjective.
ho·mo·sex·u·al
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality. 2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex. –noun 3. a homosexual person.
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ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
–noun sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex. I must admit, the first part was funny. But homosexuality is not a thing. You can't go into a store and say "Hey, I'd like to buy a box of homosexuality. What isle is it on?". That's the point I was trying to make.
A thing isn't only something you can hold. You can't hold love, a spirit, or faith, which are also things.
~ I Love Tommy ~
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:55 am
Camouflaged kuntrykid The entire old testament was not done away with. For example, Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Romans14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offense. These verses repeal the "unclean meat" law. There is no verse repealing Leviticus 18:22 And before anyone says the "all things are pure" part, homosexuality is an action, not a thing. Also, of course all people are capable of love! All people are capable of homosexuality and heterosexuality too! I believe people are naturally heterosexual and, as I have had to state many times, homosexuality is a choice. Just because there's not a verse stating it was done away with, doesn't mean it isn't so. For example, do you still offer yearly sacrifices? Or set up the churches to be replicas of the tabernacle/temple according to god's specifications? And with that verse in Romans, I'm pretty sure, and most pastors preach a lot on this, is the main concept he was trying to get across. Not just about the meat. Lets look at that verse more closely. Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. This verse basically says nothing is wrong....things are only wrong to the people who think they are wrong. This can also be taken the opposite way. If someone thinks something is right, it must be right. So, what I'm getting here is, "Homosexuality isn't wrong. But if you think its wrong for you, then don't be gay." ...simple as that. So let the ones who think its right alone! They aren't trying to make you gay, are they? It's doesn't matter whether or not homosexuality is a choice or comes naturally to a person...who are any of us to say it's wrong or right for anyone other than ourselves? ((And to me, this verse is just another one that shows how utterly bogus the bible and god are. :/ Obviously there are things that are wrong. Murder is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Why? Because the laws of the country says so and laws are made to be a benefit to the country/state. The super religious freaks that go and burn down abortion clinics, murder people, or steal from others justify their selves from verses like those. :/ )) NO THING That's the key part. I addressed that in my response to ~Demonic Muffin~. Also, what you are saying is relativism. Which would also mean that crime is alright. But then, you can't go into a store and pick up a box of crimes, can you?
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:53 am
kuntrykid ~Demonic Muffin~ Kindly tell me how homosexuality is an action. How can I homosexuality? I cannot homosexuality. Ex. I homosexualitied yesterday. Homosexuality is a noun. A thing. A choice, at that. *Homosexual* is an adjective.
ho·mo·sex·u·al
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality. 2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex. –noun 3. a homosexual person.
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ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty
–noun sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex. I must admit, the first part was funny. But homosexuality is not a thing. You can't go into a store and say "Hey, I'd like to buy a box of homosexuality. What isle is it on?". That's the point I was trying to make.
In *that* case, I agree with you. xD
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:57 am
I'm not saying crime is alright.... I'm saying that the book you're quoting from is saying it's alright. I believe I covered that at the bottom of my last post.
You seem to think that the only things that exist are tangible. Which is not true.... and if you think it is so, then how can you believe in god? You can't get him at a store either.
And really everything is a thing. Even verbs and adjectives...they have names and can be described.
So that verse applies to everything, ALL.
The word nothing is the opposite of everything, and a synonym for everything is all.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:35 pm
Stardust Drifter I am not going to get into this discussion. Because I don't like to hurt people and I'm here on gaia for fun and friends. but just remember to choose what you all say wisely, I would hate to see people get flamed or banned because of deep heated arguments.
That's why this forum is heavily watched by me, and other Crew members.
And if you've got nothing to say about the discussion at hand, please do not post in the topic, as it is spam.~ I Love Kyle. ~
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:49 pm
Okay, let me clarify one major thing on the issue.
1) NO ONE IS GOING TO MAKE A CHURCH THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY PREFORM A GAY MARRIAGE. If that was the case, then I would understand why people are so adamant against it. There is such a thing as a Justice of the Peace. Religion doesn't have to be involved with marriage. My parents were married by a Justice, and so were my Aunt and Uncle.
2) The main reason people are pushing for it so badly is the protection with legal rights. As of right now, a lover who has been with their partner for 20 years exclusively, through thick and thin, still isn't considered family in legal terms. That means hospital visits, rights to inheritance, all that gets thrown out the window.
3) HOMOSEXUALS ARE PEOPLE, TOO. It annoys me so badly the way people talk about gays/lesbians/bis. This is talking about denying people their right to be who they are. There is no such thing as an agenda, and these people are as diverse in their hopes, wishes, flaws and perks as any other group of people.
4) MORALITY IS NOT LIMITED TO CHRISTIANS. God this gets me so ticked off. It is so arrogant to assume that your way is the only way of things. When I hear people use the morality card, I hear the same people 50 years ago using "morality" as an excuse to keep the races separate. You are not the only people who matter, so please stop talking like you are.
5) The truth of marriage. Even back in the 50s, marriage was not just "a sacred bond". The original purpose of marriage was to arrange political ties and sort out inheritance. Originally it was romantic to have an affair outside of marriage.
Sorry if it seemed rant-like. I just find it hard to debate these things when people skip around the issues with crap like that. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like religion or religious people. I just don't like stupid people who ignore the facts.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:39 am
Lycan_no_Chaos Okay, let me clarify one major thing on the issue. 1) NO ONE IS GOING TO MAKE A CHURCH THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY PREFORM A GAY MARRIAGE. If that was the case, then I would understand why people are so adamant against it. There is such a thing as a Justice of the Peace. Religion doesn't have to be involved with marriage. My parents were married by a Justice, and so were my Aunt and Uncle. 2) The main reason people are pushing for it so badly is the protection with legal rights. As of right now, a lover who has been with their partner for 20 years exclusively, through thick and thin, still isn't considered family in legal terms. That means hospital visits, rights to inheritance, all that gets thrown out the window. 3) HOMOSEXUALS ARE PEOPLE, TOO. It annoys me so badly the way people talk about gays/lesbians/bis. This is talking about denying people their right to be who they are. There is no such thing as an agenda, and these people are as diverse in their hopes, wishes, flaws and perks as any other group of people. 4) MORALITY IS NOT LIMITED TO CHRISTIANS. God this gets me so ticked off. It is so arrogant to assume that your way is the only way of things. When I hear people use the morality card, I hear the same people 50 years ago using "morality" as an excuse to keep the races separate. You are not the only people who matter, so please stop talking like you are. 5) The truth of marriage. Even back in the 50s, marriage was not just "a sacred bond". The original purpose of marriage was to arrange political ties and sort out inheritance. Originally it was romantic to have an affair outside of marriage. Sorry if it seemed rant-like. I just find it hard to debate these things when people skip around the issues with crap like that. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like religion or religious people. I just don't like stupid people who ignore the facts. Bravo. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:02 am
Lycan_no_Chaos Okay, let me clarify one major thing on the issue. 1) NO ONE IS GOING TO MAKE A CHURCH THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY PREFORM A GAY MARRIAGE. If that was the case, then I would understand why people are so adamant against it. There is such a thing as a Justice of the Peace. Religion doesn't have to be involved with marriage. My parents were married by a Justice, and so were my Aunt and Uncle. 2) The main reason people are pushing for it so badly is the protection with legal rights. As of right now, a lover who has been with their partner for 20 years exclusively, through thick and thin, still isn't considered family in legal terms. That means hospital visits, rights to inheritance, all that gets thrown out the window. 3) HOMOSEXUALS ARE PEOPLE, TOO. It annoys me so badly the way people talk about gays/lesbians/bis. This is talking about denying people their right to be who they are. There is no such thing as an agenda, and these people are as diverse in their hopes, wishes, flaws and perks as any other group of people. 4) MORALITY IS NOT LIMITED TO CHRISTIANS. God this gets me so ticked off. It is so arrogant to assume that your way is the only way of things. When I hear people use the morality card, I hear the same people 50 years ago using "morality" as an excuse to keep the races separate. You are not the only people who matter, so please stop talking like you are. 5) The truth of marriage. Even back in the 50s, marriage was not just "a sacred bond". The original purpose of marriage was to arrange political ties and sort out inheritance. Originally it was romantic to have an affair outside of marriage. Sorry if it seemed rant-like. I just find it hard to debate these things when people skip around the issues with crap like that. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like religion or religious people. I just don't like stupid people who ignore the facts. 1)That's true but what does it have to do with this? 2)That's one thing I've been debating on and still am... I don't think there is any "love" in homosexuality. And so I think they can't be "lovers". 3)Of course they're people! I don't hate homosexuals. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not one of the people who goes and posts insults on homosexual's profiles! 4)There IS right and wrong! And I AM going to debate my beliefs whether you like it or not. Deal with it! 5)And? Oh, and sorry if I seemed rude in this post but I just stepped on a ball-point pen 15 minutes ago and it jabbed into my foot... Kinda irritable right now...
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:18 pm
I'm not les or bi or anything. That's just me. I know people who are, and I think that's fine. Let them get married. Are they honestly doing anything wrong by loving eachother and marring?
No! They aren't! Let them get married– marrage is meant for two people who love eachother, is it not? The majority of the people opposed to them marrying are frickin' jerks who just can't seem to accept the fact that some people are different and stuff!
Not trying to be rude, not trying to make anyone mad. I'm just stating my opinion, and what I believe.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:10 pm
I still don't think there is any actual "love" in homosexuality... that's where the debate is at at the moment.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:12 pm
kuntrykid I still don't think there is any actual "love" in homosexuality... that's where the debate is at at the moment. Not really. I don't see any way to convince you otherwise, so as far as I'm concerned, that part of the debate has hit a dead end.
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