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 Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:38 pm
Last page you see Pein drawing his sword (let's call it that for a lack of a better word) and then you see the sky being raised.
Okay, her neck might not be slit. The picture just shows a large slash mark assuming on Hinata. Would you rather Kishi show the cut mark, him actually piercing the blade into her body, or leave it to imagination?
Okay, a neck slit is entirely within the realms of possibility though since they didn't show exactly where it cut.
And I swear, she should die. A dues ex machina would be horrible to bring up. Kishi is killing people for a reason. He's not just playing darts with all the characters on the board to see who he will kill off next. There's a purpose for everything in this series. If Hinata is dead, then so be it.
It sucks, but it's true.
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:35 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:03 pm
SirBaka Last page you see Pein drawing his sword (let's call it that for a lack of a better word) and then you see the sky being raised.
Okay, her neck might not be slit. The picture just shows a large slash mark assuming on Hinata. Would you rather Kishi show the cut mark, him actually piercing the blade into her body, or leave it to imagination?
Okay, a neck slit is entirely within the realms of possibility though since they didn't show exactly where it cut.
And I swear, she should die. A dues ex machina would be horrible to bring up. Kishi is killing people for a reason. He's not just playing darts with all the characters on the board to see who he will kill off next. There's a purpose for everything in this series. If Hinata is dead, then so be it.
It sucks, but it's true. okay first off she should not die. and secondly, i don't think i believe that there is good reason for all of their deaths b/c he's killing off good characters and a lot of them. its like he's killing off all the people who are really close to naruto- and the only reason that comes to mind for that is to make him "stronger" and thats a stupid reason.
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:26 pm
by the way, what is dues ex machina? question confused sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:40 pm
Please, if you're going to respond, at least read all of this post. I know it's a bit long, but I'm supporting my argument. Thank you.
Deus Ex Machina: A latin phrase translating into "god from the machine." Basically it's a "gift from god" that comes out of no where that will solve plot holes and tie up loose ends. For example, in Naruto a person randomly comes in with the power to revive the dead, and revives every single person in the village out of his own free will. That is a Deus Ex Machina, in an extreme sense.
If you pay attention to the plots of many series, you'd see this happens quite a few times. Like, a series right about to end adds a new character who'll make the plot line progress at a rate that it'll finish in two episodes. That's a Deus Ex Machina. jazzdancergirl okay first off she should not die. and secondly, i don't think i believe that there is good reason for all of their deaths b/c he's killing off good characters and a lot of them. its like he's killing off all the people who are really close to naruto- and the only reason that comes to mind for that is to make him "stronger" and thats a stupid reason.
When Pein's people died, that caused a spark in Pein, or rather Nagato I should be saying. It caused him to, become crazy. Just like Naruto is becoming crazy now because his people are dying.
Think about it. Kishi is purposely trying to set up a parallel for the two. Heck, they even look alike.
So yes, good people will die, and bad people will live. It's sad, but that's why Naruto is going to fight even harder for their sacrifices. Do you see what I mean? Just because you know the main cast so well, that means squat to the Akatsuki. Kishi is not trying to be biased. The "Hero"s, heck, we should really be calling them "protagonists" since they aren't exactly the biggest heroes in the eyes of others, are just people who are out to kill them. They know nothing of the fun and happy and hard times they went through. All they know is that they want to kill each other.
So you see? Pein is right. Hatred is a never-ending cycle in a sense. One person's hatred will just fuel another's, which will lead to a death in the series.
So to sum it all up, Hinata is a good person and is the right person to show that Kishi is not afraid to take a risk. She's dead, killed by the hands of Pein just like his people died by the hands of Konoha.
Parallels, they happen everywhere.
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:40 am
SirBaka Please, if you're going to respond, at least read all of this post. I know it's a bit long, but I'm supporting my argument. Thank you.
Deus Ex Machina: A latin phrase translating into "god from the machine." Basically it's a "gift from god" that comes out of no where that will solve plot holes and tie up loose ends. For example, in Naruto a person randomly comes in with the power to revive the dead, and revives every single person in the village out of his own free will. That is a Deus Ex Machina, in an extreme sense.
If you pay attention to the plots of many series, you'd see this happens quite a few times. Like, a series right about to end adds a new character who'll make the plot line progress at a rate that it'll finish in two episodes. That's a Deus Ex Machina. jazzdancergirl okay first off she should not die. and secondly, i don't think i believe that there is good reason for all of their deaths b/c he's killing off good characters and a lot of them. its like he's killing off all the people who are really close to naruto- and the only reason that comes to mind for that is to make him "stronger" and thats a stupid reason.
When Pein's people died, that caused a spark in Pein, or rather Nagato I should be saying. It caused him to, become crazy. Just like Naruto is becoming crazy now because his people are dying.
Think about it. Kishi is purposely trying to set up a parallel for the two. Heck, they even look alike.
So yes, good people will die, and bad people will live. It's sad, but that's why Naruto is going to fight even harder for their sacrifices. Do you see what I mean? Just because you know the main cast so well, that means squat to the Akatsuki. Kishi is not trying to be biased. The "Hero"s, heck, we should really be calling them "protagonists" since they aren't exactly the biggest heroes in the eyes of others, are just people who are out to kill them. They know nothing of the fun and happy and hard times they went through. All they know is that they want to kill each other.
So you see? Pein is right. Hatred is a never-ending cycle in a sense. One person's hatred will just fuel another's, which will lead to a death in the series.
So to sum it all up, Hinata is a good person and is the right person to show that Kishi is not afraid to take a risk. She's dead, killed by the hands of Pein just like his people died by the hands of Konoha.
Parallels, they happen everywhere. Good reason. But why should he show other people how he feels? And he has to do a demo for it? That's not necessary if he ever wants to 'Break the Chain of Hatred.' I know he wants people realize this, but he's just making people angry. Surely they'll understand this point of view on what he's trying to tell us, but what good does it make? Making them understand it? Sure, Naruto himself did understand his point, but do you ever think his ever going to help Pein? Just by killing of Hinata? It's pointless at the same time, it just angers him.
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:08 am
Kanako_Water Priestess SirBaka Please, if you're going to respond, at least read all of this post. I know it's a bit long, but I'm supporting my argument. Thank you.
Deus Ex Machina: A latin phrase translating into "god from the machine." Basically it's a "gift from god" that comes out of no where that will solve plot holes and tie up loose ends. For example, in Naruto a person randomly comes in with the power to revive the dead, and revives every single person in the village out of his own free will. That is a Deus Ex Machina, in an extreme sense.
If you pay attention to the plots of many series, you'd see this happens quite a few times. Like, a series right about to end adds a new character who'll make the plot line progress at a rate that it'll finish in two episodes. That's a Deus Ex Machina. jazzdancergirl okay first off she should not die. and secondly, i don't think i believe that there is good reason for all of their deaths b/c he's killing off good characters and a lot of them. its like he's killing off all the people who are really close to naruto- and the only reason that comes to mind for that is to make him "stronger" and thats a stupid reason.
When Pein's people died, that caused a spark in Pein, or rather Nagato I should be saying. It caused him to, become crazy. Just like Naruto is becoming crazy now because his people are dying.
Think about it. Kishi is purposely trying to set up a parallel for the two. Heck, they even look alike.
So yes, good people will die, and bad people will live. It's sad, but that's why Naruto is going to fight even harder for their sacrifices. Do you see what I mean? Just because you know the main cast so well, that means squat to the Akatsuki. Kishi is not trying to be biased. The "Hero"s, heck, we should really be calling them "protagonists" since they aren't exactly the biggest heroes in the eyes of others, are just people who are out to kill them. They know nothing of the fun and happy and hard times they went through. All they know is that they want to kill each other.
So you see? Pein is right. Hatred is a never-ending cycle in a sense. One person's hatred will just fuel another's, which will lead to a death in the series.
So to sum it all up, Hinata is a good person and is the right person to show that Kishi is not afraid to take a risk. She's dead, killed by the hands of Pein just like his people died by the hands of Konoha.
Parallels, they happen everywhere. Good reason. But why should he show other people how he feels? And he has to do a demo for it? That's not necessary if he ever wants to 'Break the Chain of Hatred.' I know he wants people realize this, but he's just making people angry. Surely they'll understand this point of view on what he's trying to tell us, but what good does it make? Making them understand it? Sure, Naruto himself did understand his point, but do you ever think his ever going to help Pein? Just by killing of Hinata? It's pointless at the same time, it just angers him. Lets all agrey that Kishi has some problems with the whole Naruto cant be happy type of thing (that is why I stoped reading the manga and come here for updates and a good debate) so Kanako are we going to rade his house or what?
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:40 pm
NinjaGirlHinata Kanako_Water Priestess SirBaka Please, if you're going to respond, at least read all of this post. I know it's a bit long, but I'm supporting my argument. Thank you.
Deus Ex Machina: A latin phrase translating into "god from the machine." Basically it's a "gift from god" that comes out of no where that will solve plot holes and tie up loose ends. For example, in Naruto a person randomly comes in with the power to revive the dead, and revives every single person in the village out of his own free will. That is a Deus Ex Machina, in an extreme sense.
If you pay attention to the plots of many series, you'd see this happens quite a few times. Like, a series right about to end adds a new character who'll make the plot line progress at a rate that it'll finish in two episodes. That's a Deus Ex Machina. jazzdancergirl okay first off she should not die. and secondly, i don't think i believe that there is good reason for all of their deaths b/c he's killing off good characters and a lot of them. its like he's killing off all the people who are really close to naruto- and the only reason that comes to mind for that is to make him "stronger" and thats a stupid reason.
When Pein's people died, that caused a spark in Pein, or rather Nagato I should be saying. It caused him to, become crazy. Just like Naruto is becoming crazy now because his people are dying.
Think about it. Kishi is purposely trying to set up a parallel for the two. Heck, they even look alike.
So yes, good people will die, and bad people will live. It's sad, but that's why Naruto is going to fight even harder for their sacrifices. Do you see what I mean? Just because you know the main cast so well, that means squat to the Akatsuki. Kishi is not trying to be biased. The "Hero"s, heck, we should really be calling them "protagonists" since they aren't exactly the biggest heroes in the eyes of others, are just people who are out to kill them. They know nothing of the fun and happy and hard times they went through. All they know is that they want to kill each other.
So you see? Pein is right. Hatred is a never-ending cycle in a sense. One person's hatred will just fuel another's, which will lead to a death in the series.
So to sum it all up, Hinata is a good person and is the right person to show that Kishi is not afraid to take a risk. She's dead, killed by the hands of Pein just like his people died by the hands of Konoha.
Parallels, they happen everywhere. Good reason. But why should he show other people how he feels? And he has to do a demo for it? That's not necessary if he ever wants to 'Break the Chain of Hatred.' I know he wants people realize this, but he's just making people angry. Surely they'll understand this point of view on what he's trying to tell us, but what good does it make? Making them understand it? Sure, Naruto himself did understand his point, but do you ever think his ever going to help Pein? Just by killing of Hinata? It's pointless at the same time, it just angers him. Lets all agrey that Kishi has some problems with the whole Naruto cant be happy type of thing (that is why I stoped reading the manga and come here for updates and a good debate) so Kanako are we going to rade his house or what?
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:53 pm
Wait~! Hinata is still alive! 4laugh Yeahh~!
I think Pein will be absorbing the Nine-Tailed Fox of Naruto! eek
God, Sasuke, help your friend out! stressed
Tsk, Tsk!
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:28 am
Kanako_Water Priestess Wait~! Hinata is still alive! 4laugh Yeahh~!
I think Pein will be absorbing the Nine-Tailed Fox of Naruto! eek
God, Sasuke, help your friend out! stressed
Tsk, Tsk! yahy she lives!!!!! xd oh that means I might want to retern some ones food ha?
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:32 pm
*sigh*
I'm slightly disappointed in Kishi. I actually thought he had the guts to do it. I'm happy that Hinata is alive and all, but it's still fairly improbable...
Deus ex machina... *sigh*
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:43 pm
Well, we can't get everything, and maybe he didn't want to upset the fans too much, or maybe he's got a plot point planned out somewhere along the line where this matters. I don't know but I'm a little relieved since I don't like it when a lot of likeable characters dies all at once, be it in original manga or fanfics alike.
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Vicious-Loner Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:31 pm
NinjaGirlHinata Kanako_Water Priestess Wait~! Hinata is still alive! 4laugh Yeahh~!
I think Pein will be absorbing the Nine-Tailed Fox of Naruto! eek
God, Sasuke, help your friend out! stressed
Tsk, Tsk! yahy she lives!!!!! xd oh that means I might want to retern some ones food ha? I guess~!
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:30 pm
yeah hinata lives! no kakashi doesn't he shouldn't have been killed crying anyways does anybody think naruto will get the rest of the three tails?? i don't i'm reading it right now it's a pretty crazy fight eek
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:47 am
SirBaka *sigh*
I'm slightly disappointed in Kishi. I actually thought he had the guts to do it. I'm happy that Hinata is alive and all, but it's still fairly improbable...
Deus ex machina... *sigh* My Spidey Sense is tingling...I think Sakura's gonna kick the bucket.
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