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I'm fine with most philosophical conversations, not all but most. It's only religion that get's me. I stopped believing in God when I was in the sixth grade, and I've been a Nihilist for the past three years basically. Since I stopped believing in God, though, I started researching other religions, and I enjoy it, it's just when people sit there and try and say the whole "Mine's better than yours" that get's me, and sadly all religious conversations are like that whether it's intentional or not.
But oh well.

I Did not say that i go for the most conflict. I simply argue the opposite side.

Anything where people get together and all believe the same thing is negative....

everyone is altruistic.......

I know that I know nothing haha

But some would still argue that the spirit of religion is not belief in the institution of the church, which is corrupt without a doubt, but in an ideal. In which case it doesn't really matter that they're believing in God because their actions would benefit mankind.

Martin Luther King, Mohandas Gandhi, Mother Theresa.... all religious people. They were driven by their religion, and the benefits of their actions are still felt today.

And no matter how you swing it, you have to admit that war gets s**t done.

Yea, war does get s**t done. Thins population, bands countries together. Produces jobs.

Religion can be as good as it is bad. Everything must have balance.

I can't understand devotion to a higher being, but I can't understand complete lack of faith either.......

Sounds like Toulmin was a Nihilist. At least a Moral Nihilist....or maybe Existential Nihilist....Could be Metaphysical. All the same, it's nihilistic sounding.

No offense to you're boyfriend, but while some can believe in one thing, it does not mean everyone has to follow that same belief. You're boyfriend may follow one philosophy that says logic exists, while Omega follows one that doesn't. It's as simple as that.

As for the good and evil thing. I won't really touch that. I don't believe in good or evil. It doesn't exist in my eyes.

Lastly, while the so called "bad" outweighs the "goods" of war, it doesn't stop war from being helpful. War is basically what made all these different places, countries, beliefs, etc. etc. etc. Might not be a "good" thing in whole, but it's given the world flavor.

Okay, you are obviously completely misunderstanding me if your name for what I am saying is "Logic Doesn't Exist." I am saying Logic is the Ultimate. Logic exists more than anything, and it is the only thing that anchors us to reality.

As to Descartes. I have read meditations haha, all because he is old and has good retorhic doesn't mean he is right. That is what Stephen Toulmin was arguing.

It takes a lot of balls to claim that the ancients of Philosophy are wrong, but the man makes a damn good argument that actually makes sense.

"I think therefore I am" does not work if you are just a meat machine programed to rely information like you are thinking. All because you want to believe in what you decided was right does not mean you are right. I am not saying that Logic does not exist. i am saying that all because you have come to a conclusion with logic, doesn't mean you are right.

There is absolutely nothing you can say that proves you exist. There is nothing you can do. No matter how much that hurts the human mind, as much as it is impossible to comprehend. Does not mean it isn't so.

I agree with you that what religious groups is sometimes wrong. But not all the time. You are basically proving that you are not using logic in saying so. You are attempting to use the proof, All Religions Are Bad.Thats not true. There are plenty of belief systems that do not try to force anyone to their will. And all because many do, does not mean that everyone who believes in that religion is evil.

There is a difference between perfection and balance. By balance, i mean if anything goes to an extreme, it becomes dangerous. I know not everything is balanced. To you the world would be hell if christians started a new crusade and killed us all. Thats unbalance. Or, if the earth moved too far off its rotation around the sun, and broke the balance and we all fried. Thats bad. If everyone became cold and faithless, and used only robotic logic without taking in the heart of man, that would be bad.

Also, insulting the opposition is lazy and sloppy. It serves no purpose. I am done with this conversation, since i have to go to sleepytime.

All I can say is blind faith in ancient philosophy and logic is the same thing that Religious folk do. All because it is in a book and widely believed does not mean it's right. Not saying that it isn't, but there is no damn proof, only belief in proof.

Also, bring your boyfriend in is unfair, i don't have a backup for my sleepy head.

I just want everyone to understand that life isn't so serious. Enjoy it while it lasts, we all die soon...

I used to sniff nail polish and nail polish remover in french class, so no judgment here, I don't have enough brain cells to judge anything. razz