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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:56 pm


Easy enough to explain: Imagine a narrowneck bottle filled with people. If you tip the bottle so some pour out, all of them aren't going to come out at once. Only a few will come out at a time. In a natural disaster, the people that flowed out of the bottle are the survivors.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:10 pm


Ah, that makes perfect scence now^.^

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm


While Jesus is the fulfillment of the law, He did not come to abolish the law. Remember according to Messianic law, the Jews could only drink wine so long as it was watered down; Jesus turned the water into wine before He died on the cross, therefore He being God would not cause the Jews to stumble by making them drink undiluted wine.




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Makes sense to me that there's wild stuff in the Bible, because let's face it: God's a party guy. Hell, the first miracle Jesus did was turn water into wine when the wedding party ran out. Not only that, but Jesus made sure to bring the good s**t!

The stuck up parts are mainly found in the Old Testament's law books like Deuteronomy & Leviticus. Those books are also the reason why Jews can't eat pork or shellfish. They don't much matter since the Bible says that Jesus basically made a lot of those laws null & void. Which is really a good thing since that eliminates "An eye for an eye." Doesn't really fit in with the rest of the book. The rules that remain are the Ten Commandments, which can really be summed up in two commandments that Jesus names when asked what commandment is the greatest: "Love God & love thy neighbors as thyself."
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:08 am


He did say that he did away with some of the old laws, such as "an eye for an eye." Jesus never preached a message of revenge.

As for the wine, I was always taught that the waiters complained because it was the best wine they tasted, which should be served first. Then, when everyone is a bit tipsy, they start serving the poorer-quality wine. It's less likely for them to notice the transition that way. I was also taught that there's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol of any kind as long as it's done in moderation, so ideally, there'd be no stumbling around anyway. Maybe a bit tipsy, but not falling down drunk.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:37 pm


Iron Anne Kidd
He did say that he did away with some of the old laws, such as "an eye for an eye." Jesus never preached a message of revenge.

As for the wine, I was always taught that the waiters complained because it was the best wine they tasted, which should be served first. Then, when everyone is a bit tipsy, they start serving the poorer-quality wine. It's less likely for them to notice the transition that way. I was also taught that there's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol of any kind as long as it's done in moderation, so ideally, there'd be no stumbling around anyway. Maybe a bit tipsy, but not falling down drunk.



Well there is discussion over the wine; yes Jesus did turn water into it but as you know He is not capable of sin so this is why a lot of people, including myself, believe that He did not let any of the Jews eat pork or drink unwatered down wine ( besides if it is the best tasting wine that He made, then why would He let that water ruin the taste instead of just having the alcohol be diluted ). Sorry for sounding like I attacked you btw.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:52 pm


Not at all. You were talking about the message, not the messenger.

Jesus was capable of sin, but he didn't commit any. He might be all God to Christians, but he's also all man. If he wasn't capable of sin, there was no reason for the Devil to tempt him. Jesus the man did consider turning stones into loaves of bread, getting the nations to bow to him, & testing God. Jesus the divine, however, kept his flesh strong & didn't give in.

I had never heard that before, but it makes sense now. Water is added to the wine in the Catholic mass. It's such a small amount of water, though, that it doesn't really water it down much at all. Even if the practice back in the day watered the wine down more than it does today, someone who drank enough of it could get drunk. It would just take longer.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:41 pm


You people talk to much... xD *floats off*
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:28 pm


Iron Anne Kidd
Not at all. You were talking about the message, not the messenger.

Jesus was capable of sin, but he didn't commit any. He might be all God to Christians, but he's also all man. If he wasn't capable of sin, there was no reason for the Devil to tempt him. Jesus the man did consider turning stones into loaves of bread, getting the nations to bow to him, & testing God. Jesus the divine, however, kept his flesh strong & didn't give in.

I had never heard that before, but it makes sense now. Water is added to the wine in the Catholic mass. It's such a small amount of water, though, that it doesn't really water it down much at all. Even if the practice back in the day watered the wine down more than it does today, someone who drank enough of it could get drunk. It would just take longer.



Oh oh,...I wasn't thinking when I made that "not capable of sin comment". stressed

Well, I guess it's to be expected to make that mistake.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:59 am


Hey, mistakes happen. That's why friends help you correct them. Or rivals. Whichever. ninja
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:15 pm


::bear hugs Anne:: pirate

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:00 pm


*Is bear hugged*
This tends to happen a lot. Maybe I'm too cute for my own good.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:07 pm


Iron Anne Kidd
*Is bear hugged*
This tends to happen a lot. Maybe I'm too cute for my own good.



What? What? If by cute you mean "cold and vicious" then yes you are very cute. pirate


After all you are a Mazoku.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:21 pm


Well, back when Ty was a ryuzoku, he said I was cute & glomped me. Granted, he did do that after I told him about my little dishes obsession. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:27 pm


I'm also just messing with ya. ninja


::pokes::


But it's different because we are rivals. =o

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:43 pm


I know, but it's nice to know that my evil cute brings all the lizards to the yard.
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