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Zullala

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:08 pm


Yes I see that indeed. You can't just say it because, you have to mean it 3nodding . Yeah, I agree with you.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:30 pm


Basically homosexuality being an abomination just means it is not something God disapproves of, there are quite a few things He considered to be an abomination. Anyone who is a human being can be a Christian, heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, metrosexual or omnisexual it doesnt matter. If one 'accepts' J.esus and follows him then that is all the Bible actually requires. Over all there is no way to tell if someone who professes to be a Christian is going to heaven or hell, it is something only that person and God truely know because human beings cannot see the inner most portions of another's heart--only God can.

The act of homosexual relations is not any different than the act of heterosexual relations outside of marriage, murder, gossip, anger or anything else that is considered a sin. There is no differing degrees of sin, its all the same and it is all dealt with in the same manner--accepting J.esus' forgiveness.

While DavidLucas was very astute in pointing out several of the dietary regulations of the Old Testement, it is best to take those laws within the context that they are set to be in--the Jewish religious system of the legal contract that they entered into with God at Mount Sinai. The Christian faith does not adhere to all of the laws presented in the Torah because the Christian faith is not a religious system exclusive to Hebrews like that of the Sinai Covenant. As for references to Books in the bible that refer to homosexuality as being 'wrong' there are a good number of books that mark any form of sexual immorality (Sex outside of marriage) as being a sin Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Ephesians and Colosians all address the topic


I got the following from a user on the Adult Swim boards. I think thats a good explanation.

AreiWarriorBlade


IXOYC

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:37 pm


Let me just say that if you actually had Jesus Christ in your life you wouldn't want to be a homosexual because it's wrong. I think that rules out being a Christian and a homosexual.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:56 pm


Sacco
Let me just say that if you actually had Jesus Christ in your life you wouldn't want to be a homosexual because it's wrong. I think that rules out being a Christian and a homosexual.

What if someone who is homosexual comes to Christ, yet still hasn't given up that sin. We all have things we hold onto that we know we shouldn't be doing, and are hard for us to give up.

IE...A teenager comes to Christ, but has a heard time respecting there parents. Their parents don't share the same beliefs, and they keep getting into agruments and yelling at each other. The bible says that we are suppose to respect our parents, but that isn't respect. Does that make them not a Christian if they are disrespecting there parents?

Skittles


IXOYC

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:47 pm


Skittles
Sacco
Let me just say that if you actually had Jesus Christ in your life you wouldn't want to be a homosexual because it's wrong. I think that rules out being a Christian and a homosexual.

What if someone who is homosexual comes to Christ, yet still hasn't given up that sin. We all have things we hold onto that we know we shouldn't be doing, and are hard for us to give up.

IE...A teenager comes to Christ, but has a heard time respecting there parents. Their parents don't share the same beliefs, and they keep getting into agruments and yelling at each other. The bible says that we are suppose to respect our parents, but that isn't respect. Does that make them not a Christian if they are disrespecting there parents?


You've got me on that one. I was wrong in the area of saying that you can't be a Christian and a homosexual. When I came into the discussion I think my mindset was more on if a person comes to Christ and is a homosexual but feels it's still ok. I just needed to differentiate between a homosexual who has become a Christian and knows it's wrong and still struggles with that sin versus one who thinks it's still ok to live the homosexual lifestyle and be a Christian. I apologize.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:37 pm


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Basically homosexuality being an abomination just means it is not something God disapproves of,
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Don't you mean he does disapprove of homosexuality?

oh and metrosexual rock my socks whee ! *random thought of the day ^___^!*

Zullala


AreiWarriorBlade

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:51 pm


Rain_Phyre
people can say Jesus is christ but not fully having their heart in it and go to hell because the they were just covering their butts to make sure if it is true than their covered.
Like on the Mummy
that one dued that betrayed Rick. when met the mummy he had necklaces for all the religions and said their prays



1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God


In a nutshell it says right there, if you are gay you will not go to heaven.


I recommend reading all of 1 Corinthians, it has good info about what you should and what not to do if you want to go to heaven.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:52 pm


Rain_Phyre
people can say Jesus is christ but not fully having their heart in it and go to hell because the they were just covering their butts to make sure if it is true than their covered.
Like on the Mummy
that one dued that betrayed Rick. when met the mummy he had necklaces for all the religions and said their prays

AreiWarriorBlade


Rain_Phyre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:43 pm


AreiWarriorBlade
Rain_Phyre
people can say Jesus is christ but not fully having their heart in it and go to hell because the they were just covering their butts to make sure if it is true than their covered.
Like on the Mummy
that one dued that betrayed Rick. when met the mummy he had necklaces for all the religions and said their prays



1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God


In a nutshell it says right there, if you are gay you will not go to heaven.


I recommend reading all of 1 Corinthians, it has good info about what you should and what not to do if you want to go to heaven.


the part underlined is not is New International Version or New King James version stare
so what version did you use
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:10 pm


Rain_Phyre
AreiWarriorBlade
Rain_Phyre
people can say Jesus is christ but not fully having their heart in it and go to hell because the they were just covering their butts to make sure if it is true than their covered.
Like on the Mummy
that one dued that betrayed Rick. when met the mummy he had necklaces for all the religions and said their prays



1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God


In a nutshell it says right there, if you are gay you will not go to heaven.


I recommend reading all of 1 Corinthians, it has good info about what you should and what not to do if you want to go to heaven.


the part underlined is not is New International Version or New King James version stare
so what version did you use

most likely NASB (New American Standard Bible)
NASB takes word-for-word translations unlike NIV which summarizes and paraphrases (as said by my Youth Pastor)
It doesn't make NIV or KJV any less credible though

Mako18


Catherine_Fox_LeBeau

PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:38 pm


i don't think homosexuals should even been allowed,....i mena... the united States' coins say "One nation under God....." that mena we are based on what the bible and the Lord ask of us....... it's wroung to go against goverment but twice as bad if you go against God.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:27 pm


Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10. For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind(Homosexuals), for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

rockmanx


Evaftah

PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:41 pm


Well I don't think that people really CHOOSE to be gay. I was talking to one of my friends who is bi-sexual and he said that if he could choose that he wouldn't be. It is just that he feels that he cannot choose. There are also some sites online that say that there are interpretations of the Bible that go against the idea that homosexuality is sinful.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:01 pm


Evaftah
Well I don't think that people really CHOOSE to be gay. I was talking to one of my friends who is bi-sexual and he said that if he could choose that he wouldn't be. It is just that he feels that he cannot choose. There are also some sites online that say that there are interpretations of the Bible that go against the idea that homosexuality is sinful.


He can choose but his refusing to correct himself is in sin. For all it is a choice to stay in it like it is a choice to stay in any sin. For some they are born that way but not because of they way God created them, but the curse of sin that we are born under.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here we have Jesus address the Kenits that snuk into priesthood by the Roman goverment. He flat told them they were children of the devil and took after him.

rockmanx


The Samurai
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:56 pm


rockmanx
Evaftah
Well I don't think that people really CHOOSE to be gay. I was talking to one of my friends who is bi-sexual and he said that if he could choose that he wouldn't be. It is just that he feels that he cannot choose. There are also some sites online that say that there are interpretations of the Bible that go against the idea that homosexuality is sinful.


He can choose but his refusing to correct himself is in sin. For all it is a choice to stay in it like it is a choice to stay in any sin. For some they are born that way but not because of they way God created them, but the curse of sin that we are born under.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here we have Jesus address the Kenits that snuk into priesthood by the Roman goverment. He flat told them they were children of the devil and took after him.
I am so glad to have you here. I love reading what you have to post! (did i say this before? hmmm...) The one way to know for sure is to read it in the Word. It most definatly is a choice, there is some good stuff in the last chapter of the book Every Young Man's Battle by Stephen Arterburn on that subject.
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