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Last I checked the common agreement upon what it means to be vampire, is still the same as it always has been, and since those calling themselves vampires don't exhibit enough of the same qualities (if any at all, I have yet to be proven wrong) to be connected... although I wouldn't expect you to grasp that since you didn't seem to be able to the.. what, last 5 times I explained it?

Seperating yourself from humanity? Last I checked you are human, this is why I have issues with it. Please though, if you have so much proof where is it? Please, show me, because so far I have proven that bloodsucking is nothing more than scare tactics for attention, and all you're giving is hot air. Maybe you missed the part that those with blood difficiencies DON'T GET SUSTENANCE FROM DRINKING BLOOD. Stomach acid kills the blood cells rendering it useless, therefore injections are needed. Nobody NEEDS to drink blood to survive, and I have given proof for that, so please, show me some medical records showing you need to drink blood, I'd love to see that. Or how about all this proof that vampires existed before I said (even though I don't recall giving a date). Until you can show any proof it's all just hot air and a cry for attention.

Diseases that may have caused the myths.

Actually if you read that site you'll see nowhere does it say people NEED TO DRINK BLOOD TO SURVIVE, but some DO need INJECTIONS, and they would have a doctor's diagnosis to show it, since you can't get injections over the counter. Also you'll see that those are scientific diseases used to try and explain vampires, not create them. Therefore the idea of vampires existed long before the scientific diseases, and having them doesn't mean you're a vampire. So please, if you really are a vampire, I'd love to see some proof, otherwise it's nothing more than something psychological along with many other teens who want to be accepted and seek attention in all the wrong ways.

A message to Dr490n and Ndoki, before either of you post anything more I'm giving you both a warning; cool it.

This guild is not about attacking people, I'm sure the majority of the people in this guild have had it enough outside of the guild and don't need anymore abuse within this guild. We are not a place to attack other people that you disagree with.

Both of you have a differnece of opinion, yes, but that is absolutely no reason to start throwing insults at each other over and using insulting and abusive language.

If you feel the need to continue your discusion do so in a better fasion without lowering yourselves to resort to insulting each other.

*yes, I aknowlege that there has been a difference in the level of retailation, but I still uphold what I have said, calm down both of you or stop posting in this thread*

I know that Ndoki have had differenced in discussions in the past, but I'm going to have to side with him on this one.

Only since the emergence of the "romantic" vampire (E.G. The lonely, pale count vampire that sucks the maidens blood for sustenance.) has there been any sort of claims by normal (E.G. Not under mental delusions. Not a hematophaliac, which should be noted is a mental condition) people to be vampires.

Yes, there have been rumors and myths of vampires for God-knows-how long, but there's always one key detail left out. Before the emergence of the romantic vampire, they were hideous.
The vampires of ancient lore were horrid, rotting corpses that resembled torn wraiths of the former person. They looked nothing like what the average person today would describe as a "vampire."
Pretty much, they were zombies with a penchant for blood, not brains.
Bodies decayed, minds rotted thoroughly, only basic instincts in-tact.

Secondly, having delved into the modern day vampirism and examined it, I can sincerely say that it is purely a mental state, and not a physical one. There can be physical side-effects, but they are mentally self-induced.
It is not a physical state which one is born with, it is a chosen route. Whether it be chosen consciously or unconsciously, it is a mental decision, not a physical defect.

Thirdly, I'm a fan of parapsychology, so I've been trying to think of parapsychological reasons for psi-vampires to exist.
There are a few that I've come up with, and they're perfectly reasonable assuming the existence of "psionic" energies.
However, every rational explanation still comes up with something of the sort:
Vampires are neither a "sub" race of humanity, nor an evolved one. They are simply perfectly regular human beings that were either born with or have developed a deficiency.
If there is psionic vampirism, then "vampirism" is the name of a psionic disorder, not of some sort of extra power or ":racial" ability.

Lastly (according to the above definition), vampires have no "hidden" knowledge. They have no extra strengths. They have no powers or abilities hidden from the rest of humanity. They are perfectly normal human beings, except with a flaw. It's the psionic equivalent of being physically handicap.
If the above definition is untrue, the vampirism is no more than a psychological delusion, or the physical manifestation of a psychological delusion. (See hematophagy, but self-induced.)

So please, drop this crap that vampires exist in some sort of secret underground society that has existed for thousands of years and hordes secret knowledge forbidden to the rest of humanity.
If your "sphere of knowledge" far outdistances our own, throw a few peices of it our way. Even unimportant ones. Support your claims, please.
I'm open minded, and if I found any evidence whatsoever to the contrary of what I've just said, I would investigate it as far as I could to determine the truth. The fact-of-the-matter is that I've already done as much reasearch as possible, and these are my conclusions.
Also, humanity, as well as most mamals, produce heat through though the exchange of chemicals. We eat more than a cold-bloded creature of the same size beacuse we use the energy we get from food to maintain a constant body tempature.
If your definition of pranic energy is the energy we use to make heat and to stay in motion, you don't need to "leech" it from other people, you need to eat a sandwich.

Because I've done the same thing, and I'm just a psionic.

Here's one of the theories that I came up with. It fully explains vampirism as a defect.
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The average person has the ability to generate an energy that is known as "psionic energy." That is, it is an energy created and used by the mind.
"Vampires", for whatever reason, are unable to produce this energy. In response, their body naturally seeks out other sources.
Since the only (known) naturally occouring source of psionic energy is other human beings, the vampire either conciously or sub-councously leeches this psionic energy off of the target, or "host" human.
The vampire will gain the energy that it needs from this transaction, allowing it to continue functioning as if it were a normal being.
The host, losing some of their natural energy, will usually grow slightly more tired or slugish in their action and thought until such time as their body regenerates the lost energy.
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Here's another.
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Vampirisim (As descrived above) is a completly mentally induced state.
Each and every person has the ability to generate their own psionic energy, but for some reason, the vampire's body has chosen not to. Whether this is though an act of concious will, or not, the case remains the same.
Even though it is a mentally induced state, or in other words, a delusion, the physical effects may be very real.
The human mind is a powerful object. If it beleive something about the body strongly enough, or for long enough, it will come true. As a hypocondriac is more likely to get sick simply because they imagine they have a plethora of diseases, so the vampire will have effects if it does not leech energy.
Being a mentally induced state, it can also be "cured" though concious effort. In order to cure this mental vampirism, the subject needs to conciously re-activate the mechinism in their own body that generates psionic energy.
Possibly ways to do this are to ration how much enegy they siphon from host creatures, and try to conciously supliment it with their own, natural energy.
Another way would be to cut off all leeching immidieatly, such as 'quiting cold turkey'. Concious attempts to supliment their own natural energy for leeched energy would be necessary for the body to continue functioning normal. As such, it might be forced to generate it's own energy once again.
Though untested, hypnosis might also work.
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It's not some "mystical" ability that's passed down through the generations. Not is it a trait exclusive to vampires. I've caused people physical pain by taking their psionic energy, but that's all it was. It was a concious effort.
Vampirism is simple a psionic disorder, fully curable, given a willing patient.

Consider this. If Vampirism was something you were born with, and the body was unable to generate any energy of it's own from birth onwards, the even as an infant you would have required leeched energy to survive. You certianly would have noticed it before the age to ten (Or whenever it came about for you.)

The mind is a powerful thing. Someone thinking they are sick for example, will generally start showing the symptoms for the sickness even if they don't have it. Just because someone may or may not get a craving doesn't mean it's a symptom, it could very well be an unconscious, or somewhat conscious action on their part to make them feel the craving themselves. As for sensitivity to sunlight, most of the people I know have some degree of it. Whether it's caused from staying in their basement, genetics (did you know the majority of those with blue eyes are sensitive to light?) or convincing themselves they are. Actually come to think of it, I don't have a single friend who doesn't mind the sun... and I'm the only goth in my circle. Are they all vampires? No, they are regular people. Photophobia is actually incredibly common. I think it would be safe to say the majority are those with sensitivity to the sun, not the minority. Therefore in conclusion one can will themselves into getting some of the more prominant 'symptoms' or cause it on themselves by something as simple as, say, not wearing sunglasses one day or just having pale skin. I guess the reason why I havn't believed it all along is I have yet to see anything abnormal about those calling themselves a vampire. I just see regular people with regular human traits. Nobody has yet to prove they need to drink blood, so I'm sticking with the basis that stomach acid nullifies any beneficial aspect of blood, meaning it isn't a need, but a want (which makes it psychological not physical) and everyone I have met dislikes the sun to some extent, so that's just a common human trait.

Also I re-read my previous post and nowhere did I see any thrown insults. Perhaps I just missed it?

Edit: Also, as I was reflecting on the issue I realised something. "Psy vampires" should absolutely love the sun, since all energy is derived from it, and therefore it's the most powerful source of energy that we have. Funny how that works isn't it?

Moreso I have to disagree with your Psy explanation DieiNoctis (although I agree with the rest that you said). Energy is present in EVERYTHING, although "Psy" energy I'm assuming refers to the energy from mental processes, which would only come from humans (and I'd assume animals as well). Now, if someone drew some of that out of you, it would affect your mental state, becoming tired or sluggish would be drawing your physical energy, which is present in any living organism down to a common weed. Therefore, if drawing off someone is making them tired or sluggish, you aren't drawing psy energy, just physical energy, which can be taken from anything (although my beliefs are against it). Now, drawing off someone's psy energies would cause them, perhaps to lose some brain power, or possibly even putting them in some sort of vegetative state. I have yet to see anything in the news of that occurring, and frankly I wouldn't want to have that on my conscience.

Please, in my second last post could you show me said name calling? Nowhere did I say "you're a _____" at all... The most derogatory name I called anyone was a human... and if one considers that an insult that's not exactly my fault. Either way you need not fear since I rarely visit this board anymore anyways. It's no wonder why.

Well I was actually just pointing out if people truly needed to feed off energy to survive the sun would be their best friend, not to mention energy could be absorbed from almost anything since almost everything has energy in it. Furthermore I was pointing out if someone were truly feeding off psy energy, they would be inducing either brain loss of some extent, or some form of vegetative state on the 'host'. Feeding off someone and making them tired would mean draining of physical (regular) energy, tying in to my previous point.

Either way I completely agree. About once a week if I have too much time to think I long for vampires to be real, which is somewhat why I search for someone to prove to me they are true... yet I get in trouble asking for proof in a debate thread, so I can't anymore.

Oh yeah, and if it were a rainy sunday afternoon I'd be outside walking in the rain with my umbrella. :p