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 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:12 am
Doesn't mean they get ressurected...
Okay, let get some facts.
If you have a soul you are in heaven. All things with souls have free-will.
Soul = Freewill
Freewill + Choosing God = Salvation = Heaven
Choosing God is the Catylist for Heaven.
So therefore if animals have freewill, which I don't think they do. This means they must accept Jesus as there lord and saviour, I don't believe any animal has the brain capacity to accept Jesus or comprend his sacrifice, therefore if animals count as something that can go to heaven, they've failed because they haven't or even can accept Jesus.
THEREFORE
All animals are in hell.
In conclusion.
No animals in Heaven if they could be they'd be in hell regardless, but I don't think they have souls so I don't think they go to either.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:14 am
I never heard of any animals eating from the tree of knowledge.
Nor did I ever read anything on any animal committing acts against God.
In my opinion, animals are sinless. As far as I know, they can't make decisions to worship God or not.
I don't believe that God would condemn one of his creatures just because they don't have the brain capacity to understand Him. What about people who are severely mentally impaired? Would God condemn them just because they can't comprehend the idea of God? I don't think he would.
Besides, were we not like animals before we learned of good and evil? Sure we had intelligence, but we didn't have sin in our lives. We were the only species to bring sin upon ourselves.
Therefore, I believe that animals do have souls, and go to heaven.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:49 pm
We are only like God becuase he made us, he is spirit therefore made us with a spirit, he made us to rule over the animals of the earth, there no point of animals being in heaven, not once does it mention them ever going to heaven, they are simple thing to eat really when it comes down to it.
You need to be made in the likness of God to have a spirit. Animals are not. I don't think they have souls.
Thus I not going to get my hopes up that they'll be in heaven, beside that, they have no reason to, they can't remember more than a few minutes ago most of them, most animals can't tell themselves in the mirror, what purpose would be in heaven have for them.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:13 pm
Humans are animals.
Just thought I'd throw that out there. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:14 pm
Type Text Here If you have a soul you are in heaven. All things with souls have free-will. Quick correction: Don't you mean "If you are in heaven you have a soul" instead of "If you have a soul you are in Heaven"? Or do you believe that people in Hell don't have souls?
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:11 am
Lethkhar Type Text Here If you have a soul you are in heaven. All things with souls have free-will. Quick correction: Don't you mean "If you are in heaven you have a soul" instead of "If you have a soul you are in Heaven"? Or do you believe that people in Hell don't have souls? If you have a sould you can get into heaven, all things with souls have freewill*
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:03 am
Type Text Here We are only like God becuase he made us, he is spirit therefore made us with a spirit, he made us to rule over the animals of the earth, there no point of animals being in heaven, not once does it mention them ever going to heaven, they are simple thing to eat really when it comes down to it. You need to be made in the likness of God to have a spirit. Animals are not. I don't think they have souls. Thus I not going to get my hopes up that they'll be in heaven, beside that, they have no reason to, they can't remember more than a few minutes ago most of them, most animals can't tell themselves in the mirror, what purpose would be in heaven have for them. Ahhhh, but see, I believe in evolution. Therefore I think that all life came from the same place and adapted over time. I don't think that God favors any one species over another. He recognizes that all creatures can get to know Him over time from evolution, but it is perhaps wiser only having one dominant and intelligent species on the planet at a time. Just look what we've done to Earth with our time here! Lower animals haven't done anything permanently damaging to our world. Nahh, we'll kill ourselves off with nuclear war or something and gorillas will take over. Gorillas can learn sign language and communicate small things using it. Who's to say spoken language isn't in their future?
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:29 am
omnimodus Type Text Here We are only like God becuase he made us, he is spirit therefore made us with a spirit, he made us to rule over the animals of the earth, there no point of animals being in heaven, not once does it mention them ever going to heaven, they are simple thing to eat really when it comes down to it. You need to be made in the likness of God to have a spirit. Animals are not. I don't think they have souls. Thus I not going to get my hopes up that they'll be in heaven, beside that, they have no reason to, they can't remember more than a few minutes ago most of them, most animals can't tell themselves in the mirror, what purpose would be in heaven have for them. Ahhhh, but see, I believe in evolution. Therefore I think that all life came from the same place and adapted over time. I don't think that God favors any one species over another. He recognizes that all creatures can get to know Him over time from evolution, but it is perhaps wiser only having one dominant and intelligent species on the planet at a time. Just look what we've done to Earth with our time here! Lower animals haven't done anything permanently damaging to our world. Nahh, we'll kill ourselves off with nuclear war or something and gorillas will take over. Gorillas can learn sign language and communicate small things using it. Who's to say spoken language isn't in their future? While I completely agree with you on evolution, I think there's something in genisis about God creating humans to rule over lesser animals. Just putting that out there.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:50 pm
Type Text Here Lethkhar Type Text Here If you have a soul you are in heaven. All things with souls have free-will. Quick correction: Don't you mean "If you are in heaven you have a soul" instead of "If you have a soul you are in Heaven"? Or do you believe that people in Hell don't have souls? If you have a sould you can get into heaven, all things with souls have freewill* Oh, so you're merely talking about the alleged possibility. Thank you for clearing that up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:42 am
Lethkhar Type Text Here Lethkhar Type Text Here If you have a soul you are in heaven. All things with souls have free-will. Quick correction: Don't you mean "If you are in heaven you have a soul" instead of "If you have a soul you are in Heaven"? Or do you believe that people in Hell don't have souls? If you have a sould you can get into heaven, all things with souls have freewill* Oh, so you're merely talking about the alleged possibility. Thank you for clearing that up. Look, dogs and cats won't be in heaven. It simple. Our physical body won't be in heaven, we get a new body when we go to heaven. You know how the Disiplice didn't know it was Jesus. That because he had his ressurected body, and his ressurected body doesn't look like his living body. Thus animals would have to have a new body. We've been given the animals of the earth. God made us in his likness, he was spirit, thus we have spirit. Animals where not made in his likeness. But seriously, this is pointless. smile Doesn't matter if there dogs or not, I'll be more intrested in God than lassy.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:45 pm
Type Text Here Lethkhar Type Text Here Lethkhar Type Text Here If you have a soul you are in heaven. All things with souls have free-will. Quick correction: Don't you mean "If you are in heaven you have a soul" instead of "If you have a soul you are in Heaven"? Or do you believe that people in Hell don't have souls? If you have a sould you can get into heaven, all things with souls have freewill* Oh, so you're merely talking about the alleged possibility. Thank you for clearing that up. Look, dogs and cats won't be in heaven. It simple. Our physical body won't be in heaven, we get a new body when we go to heaven. You know how the Disiplice didn't know it was Jesus. That because he had his ressurected body, and his ressurected body doesn't look like his living body. Wait...Seriously? They didn't recognise him? Could you give me that passage, please? (This is actually for something completely unrelated, please continue anyway) Quote: Thus animals would have to have a new body. We've been given the animals of the earth. God made us in his likness, he was spirit, thus we have spirit. Animals where not made in his likeness. But seriously, this is pointless. smile Doesn't matter if there dogs or not, I'll be more intrested in God than lassy. I'm not arguing against you. I was just trying to clear up a confusing thing that you said, and you corrected yourself. That's it.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:05 am
If all animals have a soul then all ants are in heaven, and think about it, they outnumber the human popular like 4 to 1 I think, and die like 1000 times faster, so if that correct that like trillions of ants in heaven from the dawn of time. luke24:13-16 13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him. See Jesus appeared to them again when they where hiding from the Jews, but they knew it was him becuase he gave them knowledge that it was him regardless of his new body. Mark16:12-13 12Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:14 am
Type Text Here If all animals have a soul then all ants are in heaven, and think about it, they outnumber the human popular like 4 to 1 I think, and die like 1000 times faster, so if that correct that like trillions of ants in heaven from the dawn of time. luke24:13-16 13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him. See Jesus appeared to them again when they where hiding from the Jews, but they knew it was him becuase he gave them knowledge that it was him regardless of his new body. Mark16:12-13 12Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either. Why the Hell are you still arguing against me? I just said that I have absolutely no belief contrary to yours on this subject. I don't believe in Heaven. Therefore, I do not believe that animals go to Heaven. We agree with each other. Case closed.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:13 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:54 pm
Lethkhar Type Text Here If all animals have a soul then all ants are in heaven, and think about it, they outnumber the human popular like 4 to 1 I think, and die like 1000 times faster, so if that correct that like trillions of ants in heaven from the dawn of time. luke24:13-16 13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him. See Jesus appeared to them again when they where hiding from the Jews, but they knew it was him becuase he gave them knowledge that it was him regardless of his new body. Mark16:12-13 12Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either. Why the Hell are you still arguing against me? I just said that I have absolutely no belief contrary to yours on this subject. I don't believe in Heaven. Therefore, I do not believe that animals go to Heaven. We agree with each other. Case closed. Oh no no, not arguing with you, The top bit about ants was at everyone in the thread, I'm stating more facts about why I believe no animals to be in heaven. The second bit was only directed at you. Sorry for the mix up XD
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