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Abortion
Okay!
8%
 8%  [ 7 ]
Not Okay!
82%
 82%  [ 71 ]
I'm not sure how I feel about it.
9%
 9%  [ 8 ]
Total Votes : 86


PreacherBoy

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:41 pm


chaoticpuppet
Prove their is malice in abortion.


There is generally no malice in abortion, although there is often selfishness, irresponsibility, and disregard for the value of another life. However, the motives may not be malicious, but the results are the same.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:43 pm


PreacherBoy
Contingent
So stop taking showers, then. You're killing defenceless bacteria...


I understand the point you are trying to make, but do not forget that we are talking about humans here. Or at least an organism which is arguably human, whereas a bacterium is completely different.


So what makes us better than other organisms?

Coyote Jack


chaoticpuppet

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:44 pm


PreacherBoy
chaoticpuppet
Prove their is malice in abortion.


There is generally no malice in abortion, although there is often selfishness, irresponsibility, and disregard for the value of another life. However, the motives may not be malicious, but the results are the same.

Then it is not murder in the first degree, if there is no malice in abortion.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:46 pm


Ri-san
Logic can be false. There are people out there using logic saying God isn't real.


Then their arguments are wrong and probably illogical, but this does not mean logic itself is false.

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But anyway, all I'm saying is we dont know or understand God enough to come up with conclusions about Him.
(pardon my spelling, i alwasy have errors)


We do have enough to come up with some conclusions about Him. These come from relevation in Scripture. There are some things we can know about God that are not directly stated in Scripture, but are the direct logical consequences of what we know of Him from Scripture.

PreacherBoy


PreacherBoy

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:49 pm


Coyote Jack
PreacherBoy
Contingent
So stop taking showers, then. You're killing defenceless bacteria...


I understand the point you are trying to make, but do not forget that we are talking about humans here. Or at least an organism which is arguably human, whereas a bacterium is completely different.


So what makes us better than other organisms?


Genesis 1:26-31 - 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:49 pm


chaoticpuppet
PreacherBoy
chaoticpuppet
Prove their is malice in abortion.


There is generally no malice in abortion, although there is often selfishness, irresponsibility, and disregard for the value of another life. However, the motives may not be malicious, but the results are the same.

Then it is not murder in the first degree, if there is no malice in abortion.


I agree. It is not first degree murder, although this does not justify it.

PreacherBoy


Coyote Jack

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:54 pm


PreacherBoy
Ri-san
Logic can be false. There are people out there using logic saying God isn't real.


Then their arguments are wrong and probably illogical, but this does not mean logic itself is false.


The atheist view makes as much sense as believing in God, Jesus, the saints, pagan gods, that aliens from Planet X beamed you away for research while you slept, etc, etc. Try having an open mind or at least respect for other people's beliefs, because there is a big difference between believing they're wrong and saying they're wrong.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:54 pm


PreacherBoy
Coyote Jack
PreacherBoy
Contingent
So stop taking showers, then. You're killing defenceless bacteria...


I understand the point you are trying to make, but do not forget that we are talking about humans here. Or at least an organism which is arguably human, whereas a bacterium is completely different.


So what makes us better than other organisms?


Genesis 1:26-31 - 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


But that gives us the right to kill them?

Coyote Jack


PreacherBoy

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:57 pm


Coyote Jack
The atheist view makes as much sense as believing in God, Jesus, the saints, pagan gods, that aliens from Planet X beamed you away for research while you slept, etc, etc. Try having an open mind or at least respect for other people's beliefs, because there is a big difference between believing they're wrong and saying they're wrong.


As you know, I feel no guilt for saying what I believe.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:59 pm


Coyote Jack
But that gives us the right to kill them?


Genesis 9:1-3 - 1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

PreacherBoy


Coyote Jack

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:00 pm


PreacherBoy
Coyote Jack
The atheist view makes as much sense as believing in God, Jesus, the saints, pagan gods, that aliens from Planet X beamed you away for research while you slept, etc, etc. Try having an open mind or at least respect for other people's beliefs, because there is a big difference between believing they're wrong and saying they're wrong.


As you know, I feel no guilt for saying what I believe.


So it's okay to be insulting to other people and their beliefs, because they don't agree with yours?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:01 pm


Coyote Jack
So it's okay to be insulting to other people and their beliefs, because they don't agree with yours?


I said no insult.

PreacherBoy


Coyote Jack

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:01 pm


PreacherBoy
Coyote Jack
But that gives us the right to kill them?


Genesis 9:1-3 - 1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.


So we can kill to eat.

How else is the action of killing animals justified?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:02 pm


PreacherBoy
Coyote Jack
So it's okay to be insulting to other people and their beliefs, because they don't agree with yours?


I said no insult.


You said they were wrong and illogical. I'd be insulted if you said my beliefs were wrong and illogical.

Coyote Jack


PreacherBoy

PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:07 pm


Coyote Jack
So we can kill to eat.

How else is the action of killing animals justified?


In the Old Testament, the Israelites were commanded to kill animals as a sacrifice.

Leviticus 1:1-5 - 1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock. 3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD. 4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him. 5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Now, I do not believe that we are to be cruel and bloodthirsty in killing animals. But God made us superior to the animals (Genesis 1), and has allowed us to kill animals in some cases (Genesis 9), and has even commanded to kill animals in some cases (Leviticus), so it seems clear that there is no sin in killing an animal.
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