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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:22 pm
******** Sigurd and Celice and even Leif. Pimp-Knight Fin McAwesome is the true superstar of this continent known as Jugdral. Monuments need to be erected in his honor. Jugdral's canon power couple is made of his children since Nanna is his biological child and Leif is essnetially his stepchild, so basically Fin is the Kronos of Jugdral. At LEAST Thracia, but let's just say all of Jugdral. And since Nanna is younger than Delmud, it stands to reason that Lachesis realized the error of her ways and decided to leave Beowulf for a real man. It makes sense too, since everyone knows it's better to have Nanna than to have Delmud. Healers on horses. Earth Sword.
He's basically automatically awesome in FE5 as a unit since he starts with the Brave Lance with a ton of uses and has fantastic availability. Brave Lance is a good candidate for a Hammerne use, honestly. And longest availability in FE4? He just goes on and on and on.
I don't want to reiterate what's already been said about Fin in Best Worst when he took over because he's such an awesome parent. But how interesting the dynamic must be between how Nanna sees Fin as a father and how Leif sees him as a father figure. Nanna lost her mother and is bitter about it and towards Fin to an extent, but Leif lost both of his actual parents and Fin was ******** THERE for him when no one else was, by contrast. He's there for both of them, obviously, but the differences in how they both come under his care, I imagine, makes for an interesting contrast. And Nanna and Leif are both so close I have to wonder if there could have been any strain between them or if it ever could have at least come up.
It also occurred to me that Fin is more motivated by duty than anything else, and that does include his family and loved ones. That isn't to say his family doesn't motivate him as well, but his duty comes first. His very fatherhood to Leif is one borne out of duty to his country. Couldn't go with Lachesis into the desert and Nanna doesn't ********' get understand why? Gonna assume his duty to his country is what kept him from it. Just sayin'... He didn't go with her because Leif just can't wait to be King. GODS Selphina and Nanna. Tune in. He doesn't have time for basic-a** criticisms when he's clearly pained by what he has HAD to do, but he HAD to do what he had to do. Get a clue. Because Leif's worth it.
His burial plot better be bigger than anyone else's in all of Lenster. He better ******** get his own mausoleum, actually. Because he's worth it.
......Fashionabluh.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:38 am
ThePersonInFrontOfYou And the Fire Emblem Lifetime Acheivement Award goes to... Fin! I hope he got a medal or five. When I started playing FE5, I remember reflecting on FE4's prologue. You've got all these characters, all of them related to our main character Sigurd in some way, except for one which came in with his pal Cuan. That generic-looking blue-haired mounted lancer, seems like a nice guy. But would you think that he would get the most screen time out of any Jugdral character? That screen time is certainly not wasted. He starts from a fresh recruit and has quite a few conversations with Cuan, about training, growing, and even getting a nice Brave Lance just for him. Quote: Cuan: "You're a valuable knight of the Lenster Kingdom, Fin. We can't afford to lose you. Giving you this lance is about all I can do to help you out now. Please have it." Cuan, Ethlin, and Fin leave Sigurd's crew in chapter 4, of course, one of the reasons being that Ethlin has had/is about to have another baby named Leif. Cuan and Ethlin later return to aid Sigurd's crew but we all know how that goes. Leif? He's been left with Fin. Because by then, He's been shown as loyal and steadfast enough to be given responsibility of Lenster's youngest heir. At that point it's just hearsay, but when we rejoin the people of Lenster we see that their trust was not misplaced. Hell, I'd trust Altenna more with Fin than Ethlin, since not once does Fin fall prey to bad situational writing disease. I reread Lenster's Fall last night (I hadn't read it all the way through prior to then). While it's pretty roughly translated, there's tons of Fin in there, and any time Fin and little Leif were together, I could feel my heart grow heavy. Especially here:
“Is this odd… Lord Leaf? … shall we go on a trip together?”Augh, Fin and Little Leif, as if my feelings for the wayward sons of Lenster didn't go deep enough, just leave me. I think FE5's intro sets up the game's feelings very well. By the time it gets to Lenster burning and Fin holding little Leif with his little innocent Leif face, Fin's anguish and Leif's barely comprehending of what exactly is happening... And even if you don't want to dredge up every Fin moment, I feel like that image sums it up. That and Fin in second gen leading Lenster's young hope as Sigurd and friends come closer. Fin is connected immediately to Cuan, Ethlin, and Lenster in a way that no other character is. He knew them, he fought for them, he was honored by them and became their most trusted and loyal soldier. He's the one who recognizes Altenna, he's the one who was connected to the original army and lived to tell the tale. What is there not to love? Ninja Ryu11 I think the only thing that kinda bugs me is his relationship between Lachesis. It's very vague in the first generation of FE4 and not explained too well.(Not to mention pairing them together takes much dedication. Yeah not THAT easy.) I do understand that there is a reason why they don't have a conversation right before you face Reptor. Part of me wishes we had more scenes of their involvement. You wouldn't really know from the beginning that Nanna was his daughter unless you played FE5. So we pretty much know that Fin and Lach had a thing going on. But there's also Beowolf to consider... Welp, moving along now! Keep in mind that in FE4 Fin can be paired with a number of ladies. Fin has a conversation with Nanna if he is her father, but the same goes for Lana and Lakche too. Like Levin x Fury, it was made canon by Thracia 776, though FE5's arrangement for Lachesis is one that was made impossible by FE4's pairing system, that being that Delmud is Beowulf's son while Nanna is Fin's daughter. It is very clear too that Fin cares deeply for Lachesis, and her disappearance troubles him. Apparently they did have some sort of falling out, if Nanna's conversation with Fin as her father in FE4 is to go by. What's more, in FE5 you can get a conversation where Selphina chews out Fin for being cold towards women and leaving Lachesis. You can tell it pains him, he really doesn't want to talk about it, especially in the middle of battle. Would that be being cold? He's holding pain inside. And in his ending in FE5, he disappears for three years after Leif takes the throne, and it is said that he spent them wandering the Yeid desert. It isn't outright said, but it is very much implied he is looking for Lachesis. In the desert for three years... I remember seeing in the director's notes or somewhere that Lachesis had been turned to stone and was somewhere in Yeid. I wonder what he found, if anything... I totally understand that. FE4's pairing system is pretty much the only game that let's you pair anyone you want.(Be it a good pairing or bad one) Some pairings are more difficult to obtain than others. And while some pairings are very easy to get. I'm not really too big on Lachesis X Fin myself, but I would've liked to see some kind of interaction between them in FE4. Both her and Beowolf gets a special conversation. So why not Fin? You do have Fin until the end of chapter 3. I see no reason not to have an conversation event or something to that effect. I guess it's a minor nitpick. Pay it no heed. sweatdrop Fin is the only one that doesn't have a special conversation since FE5 pretty much shows it being a midquel of the judgral series. I'm well aware that there's the Fall of Lenster.(And I thank Tiki for mentioning it awhile back. =D) And yeah, I agree it's a pretty emotional read. I particularly enjoy the friendship that both Fin and Glade shared in there. xP Anyways, I was going to talk about FE5 Fin before right? I have a bit of time so I might as well. Both FD and Tiki pretty much said how I felt about Fin. I personally think this version of Fin is where he totally shines for me. The responsibility that Fin has weighed on him, there's so much respect he deserves for what he does. He has to take care of both Lord Leaf and Nanna ON HIS OWN. But that's not all, he does it while trying to protect him from Thracia. Give this man a freaking medal because that's some real dedication right there. He's totally the best parent in the FE series hands down. I have talked about how much I love the intro to FE5. Not just because the theme is so powerful itself, but just CG art alone of Fin carrying little lord Leif on his arms while they're both witnessing the tragedy of Lenster being aflame. It just brings you in total awe. Both Fin and Eyvel are the closest thing that Leaf ever had to a mother and father. In a way the Fiana group is pretty much his family if anything... I like that FE5 gives Fin a bit more screen time. The relationship between him and Leaf is quite nice. He'll do anything he can to help prince Leaf and I do like that. He also clearly loves his daughter Nanna. The conversation with Glade is still there certainly but it's a minor scene. The conversation between Selfina and Fin is rather touching. You could see that Fin is in pain when she mentions his coldness towards women. But really, that's not the case at all. It's just the dilemma and the situation he was pulled into and having to sacrifice so much... crying As a unit, he seriously rocks in FE5. He starts off as a level 7 Lance Knight and promotes into the Duke Knight, and it's pretty similar to the class in FE4. He also comes with the brave lance and it has 60 uses! He has great availability from the beginning to end. There's a certain point where he does leave along with a good many others like Dagda and his bandits. Halvan, Othlin, Safy... Ya know for plot reasons and such. But he does make a comeback in chapter 7 I would believe? Oh yeah he can also dismount in this game at anytime you want to. But there will be some chapters that he'll be locked onto swords. And I remember he starts off with a D rank in swords from the start.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:33 am
His starting rank is a D in Swords, but he starts over half way to C already, also. He's actually just 20 swings away from a C, which is just 20 swings away from the Rapier, King Sword, and Killing Edge.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:56 am
Above comment reminds me of a somewhat silly Fin-related story.
So during my first playthrough of FE5, I used Safy's last repair staff use on Fin's Brave Lance, which had survived a surprisingly long time but finally was facing the end of its life.
The only problem was that I did this during chapter 23 and, for the uninitiated, the rest of the chapters in the game are inside.
No way Xavier's getting his mitts on something so amazing. Mostly 'cause I wouldn't be using him for the last stint of the game. Magic and all.
I had Fin keep it anyway. For sentimental value. He grew a sword level after a single swing anyway.
As for Fin and Lach in FE4, Their relationship is possible but difficult because of the way the game is laid out. Lachesis comes onto the scene two chapters before Fin leaves, and while Lach gets a mount upon promotion, she has to get there first. It's possible but improbable. But still had enough importance and likelihood to get a father and child conversation, and to be made canon in Thracia 776. The Oosawa manga and I think Lenster's Fall as well comment that Fin helped Lachesis reach the title of Master Knight, but that doesn't hold much water as the former is not canon (and not all that good) while the latter is developer's notes that were written to give the writers context.
No doubt people were hurt by Fin leaving Lachesis, but as FD said, his loyalty was to his country and its heir before all else. Fin's actions, both implied and stated, still do show he cares for Lachesis, and the fact that people were bewildered by his actions, as stated in his FE5 ending, and that their purpose didn't make it into the history books... that's actually pretty sad.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:20 pm
Thanks to everyone for making Fin Week great!
It's now Noish Week.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:58 am
Noishe has a n(o)ice n(o)iche.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:02 pm
Make some Noishe over Noishe!
But really, though.
No one uses Noish unless they have him for a draft, you're doing a challenge run of some sort, or you're just having everyone contribute at the start. We all know there are plenty of stronger units, we all know that doesn't mean he can't contribute if you use him and he's not useless, and we all know that he's entirely unnecessary and you're not really gaining anything from using him.
Critical is cool, but unreliable in comparison with Pursuit. It does make getting through snags in the Arena easier, though, so although I'd sooner take Pursuit, it has certain merits above it.
Noish/Ayra sometimes gets tossed around as a cool thing to do, and if you enjoy doing different pairings and like experimentation just to see how it goes, it'll suffice. But doing Noish/Ayra alongside making sure Ayra gets the Hero Sword from Lex or Holyn can be tricky, and Hero Sword>Noish/Ayra. Especially since you can just berserk the Hero Sword and passing Critical will be meaningless. I'd sooner have Noish killed than not get a Hero Sword.
As a father for other mothers, if the mother provides Pursuit or you're not worried about passing Pursuit, passing Critical will definitely boost the offenses of children if they wouldn't get it otherwise. He's hardly 'best father' material to anybody but he's by no means a terrible father.
Personality wise, he's the serious red knight, but being so early in the series and not having the opportunity to be fleshed out the same way Cain is with multiple games, he's one of the most boring red knights in the series for me. There's a conversation in Chapter 5 between Alec and Noish SF has the script for but which can't be triggered apparently. Everything out of Noish is the most dull nondescript characterization imaginable. You have to read it to believe it:
Alec:
Noish, this is it, huh?
Noish:
Mmm.
Alec:
Hey, uh... I just wanna thank you for everything.
Noish:
Sure thing. Same goes here, Alec.
Alec:
It's been a blast, huh?
Noish:
Yep.
Alec:
Well, take care then.
Noish:
Yep. You too.
It's a shame there's so little to work with for his personality. And Alec has so much by comparison to enjoy, too. But that's for another week.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:14 pm
Noish going, guys.
My opinion of Noish actually dropped after using him in a draft, though to be fair that could be because I also had Fin and as we have plainly established, Fin makes everyone in Jugdral look bad.
As not-notable as Noish is, he and Alec are at least more notable than Selphina's mounted cronies in FE5 (Kain and Alva whatstheirface). Heck, they don't even talk as far as I know.
Noish is not terrible, but he is outdone by pretty much everyone in one respect or the other. I feel like the most direct comparison is Lex, though Lex can make up for his lack of pursuit on top of having elite and being Gen 1's only primary axe user. Noishe is stronger and more sturdy than Alec, but in addition to Alec having pursuit, Alec also has some niche uses thanks to Awareness.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:17 pm
Kain and Alva have... death quotes. And endings! It's... something? I guess?
Alec also has a personality over him. And Lex not only has Elite, but some Holy Blood and a Brave Axe to make up for no Pursuit.
But hey, he's a better fighter than Arden!
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:36 pm
But Arden is notable because he's the butt of everyone's jokes and gets two special events!
AND ARDEN MADE IT INTO AWAKENING
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:08 pm
That Pursuit Ring puts Arden over Noish in my book any day, because at least Arden's going to more remembered that Noish any day.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:31 pm
To be fair, that pursuit ring goes straight to another unit who needs it and can actually get use out of it.
Will Arden ever be able to activate pursuit with his speed...?
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:08 am
Most recently I gave the pursuit ring to Noish, and he had enough speed for it to activate on occasion.
Woo! Full circle back to Noish!
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:29 pm
 Here we are, We Know it's Too Late.
Hoping only to find some closure..!
Silently waiting, Hear the calling..!
Look into the wanting eyes, my Cherished! 1 letter off from being a "dog". If people don't add that letter anyway. [/ToS Reference] Highly unnotable. Lacks pursuit. Has a mount but... eh. Amongst "Cavs I've benched" and "Cavs I don't use" Noish is just there. He also... is flat. Not like confusing flat and static flat, but actually flat. He's got about the personality of a boss character. He got hit by Fenrir in the manga and appeared to die, so I guess that's a thing. Nomad Rath To be fair, that pursuit ring goes straight to another unit who needs it and can actually get use out of it. Will Arden ever be able to activate pursuit with his speed...? If you feed him a ton of levels. But that takes feeding him. Which means using him. Who wants to do that? [Besides Shin Patch players. Arden is pretty beastly in the Shin Patch]
Now we are here, We know its too late!
Hoping only to find some closure,
Silently waiting, Hear the calling!
Look into the wanting eyes, My Cherished!
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:36 pm
Well, he has one thing going for him. HE HAS HAIR.  Look at that suave, handsome guy and his pretty boy blonde hair that goes well with that striking red . Why, I bet he gets loads of fangirls just because how good looking he- - Ohhhh.... .... Bye, Noishe.
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