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The reason why anything Is Possible with magic is that with enough knowledge of structure practically anything is possible as long as it strictly involves energy...

With enough knowledge of lets say nuerons and such you can actually get rid of peoples head aches. Currently small uses of power are easier since that doesn't require as much influence. If you ever saw that thing about monks changing the molecular structure of watter it has been demonstrated.

The veil limits the interactions between will and the physical... that and binds
People steal or affect energy constantly without realizing...

I have spirit guides... they are spirits who attempt to guide me lol

This really isnt that complicated of a concept to understand, and this is the last time I am going to explain it to you. if you still dont understand, then if you ever plan to you need to re-read.
for instance, lets say someone is a wresler and he has grabbed your candybar. . you try to get it from him, but you cannnot . . the wrestler is strong, but wrong in keeping your candybar.. he goes and takes this candybar with him when he leaves. . same thing. .the wrestler's physical strength is akin to energetic ability/strength. . the candy bar is the past life energy that he rightfully should be releasing so he goes into his next life more cleaner. . but, he cannot, becuase he is hungry so he refuses to give up the candy bar. . you, the one who is trying to takethe candybar, is like the pull of nature and what is right to do. . as, rightfully that guy should not have that candybar. .

peopel that are otherkin, again, resisted the pull of nature to let go of their past energy. .this requires energetic strength and skill to do. . the reason why they didnt let go, is probalby becuase something tragic happened in their past, and they just cant emotionally get over it. . they bring the baggage of one life into their next becuase something happened that they just have not been able to get over. . it could be that, or it could be that they loved their life just so freaking much they refuse to let it end. . but, again, when you have a lot to loose by dying you will be rather resistant to let it go.. . . becuase of their emotional problems, they energetically refuse to give up the past. .

so, it isnt that they have trouble working with energy, they have emotional problems, and they support their desires with their energetic skill/power to refuse to let go of their past energy. .

the pull of nature, as I am going ot call it here for simplicity, is that when you die you are supposed to release the energy of what you were, and be able to take on the energy of the new form you are in. . when you are in a form, it is benefitial to have the energy of that form. . you will work better with it. . for instance, if you were some sort of animal you may find a human body very clumsy and find it hard to naviagate in it. . now, I am not going to describe this process, becuase it is very controversial what happens after you die. . and for my point to be valid doesnt require me to have every single detail, becuase I am not trying to prove otherkin, but have proved that it is *possible* that things work this way. . becuase I honestly cannot describe to you every detail of existance because I am not all knowing/all seeing. . and again, I emplore people who have issues with my understanding to go out, astral project, learn to "see" and experience things for themselves. .

as I said before as well, it isnt like all traces of that past life are gone. . it is like, a footnote on the page whereas if you are otherkin it is a big a** bold title. . your energy is not completely whiped clean, but clean enough that you take on the form energetically of the next thing you are incarnated as. .

it isnt so much that the person lacks energy or skill in their, it is that their emoitional and mental state may affect things. . for instance, if they had a severe loss in a past life, their emotional and mental state will be a bit off, and so their ability to handle their energy could be becuase of that. . but, that is all subjective to each individual . .

energetic skill is actually knowing how to do what you are trying to do the most efficiently. . knowing how energy reacts, how to direct it most effectively. . for instance, lets say you wre to do a spell to banish a room, and I was to just reach out my energy and do the banishing. . my method is more skillful than yours. . this is becuase a spell is like saying "I want this to be done, but I dont know how to do it myself" . you send out a desire into the astral for something to help you banish the room. . or, for the energy to do the banishing, but you dont exactly know how to energetically speaking. their are spirits that heed the calls of spells, and will assist someone in directing their energy to their desired target, but, naturally they take sme of the energy as payment. .lol. you loose energy in translation of what you want to do. .whereas, most of the energy I am harnaassing is going into this beam that I am energetically sendng out from myself to push the energy that is already in my space out, and to break down and purify energy that is still here. . I loose less energy in translation becuase I already know at an energetic level what I should do to do a banishing. .

now, spells are easier to do, becuase you dont actually have to think through how to energetically do a banishing, or to gain control over your energy enough to actually do a banishing. . lol. . doing spells, you just have a simple method that can work for anything ( if I wanted to do a protection I couldnt use the same energetic action I did in method 2 to accomplish this). . a spell is relying on others energetic skill to come in(or your subconsiuos energetic knowledge) and assist with the direction of the energy, and is theirfor less skillful. .the more skillful you are, generally you can use less energy to accomplish the task since you are loosing less in extra steps. .

I know what you asked, but I figured I may as well introduce a bit more information on the general topic of discussion. .

well, becuase it is subconsious, people often dont know they are an energy vampire. . usually it is the other peopel around them that notice it, notice their drop in energy when around the person. .

and as I said again, everyone begins somewhere, so yes, it is possible that didnt know before how to steal energy could learn to do it and do it. . and,I think that most people atleast at a subcosius level have some understanding of energy, becuase as I said before the energy in your astral form and is what supports your physical, so you subconsiously must have some understanding of energy to even exist, becuae if you didnt know how to subconsiously manage your energy you would not be able to hold yourself together. . so, I dont think anyone has no understanding.

and, also, people that are psi vamps I have found often have some sort of deficiency in their owne enrgy system (unless they are consious psi vamps feeling on people so they have more energy, which does happen. . lol). . but, again, to the subconsius energy vampire. . now, this person's subconsious knows that they have energy deficiencies, and since you havent fixed your own energy system, it is just gong to learn how to just push out a tentacle, connect to someone else, and suck suck suck. .lol.. also, often subconsius psi vamps suck off of frends. . now, a freind you already have an energetic link to, so it is even easier for your energy to steal theirs, since you have the link, your energy just pulls at their energy to absorb some of it. .

Well... I don't know how She did it... but I think... somehow converting eggs into sperm...




Lol you are doing it... perception Is any information you take in. Like you read my words and decide based on my words... and based on other information you read what to believe. It is just sometimes people make decisions before they read the words...





Its mostly a problem when people don't remember the whole this May be true and that there are a bunch of other fators unaccounted for. Believing strongly in something which has little to no basis is bad.

Circumstantial evidence
lol


I do that... I play with it and it just... stays there.
I went through this really long thing once coming up with every way I could possibly think existance could be...

I choose the one which seemed to fit best... but in everytime I pit existance against illusion illusion wins.

It always comes back to... the possibility of it existing created itself. It only is real within the possibility it is real thus doesn't actually exist...


SMILY! Just not all wrap like cling wrap... in anycase... constriction means binding freedom of movement and protection from outside means shield.

Big difference

I want a retreat! Just you know... Earth seems more like a retreat cause its less stressful. earth seems alot easier... less crowded. The people are a bit dumb... but they are I guess less set in there ways. earth is nice in alot of respects..

I'm sorry, but you have large flaws in your posts. And me rereading them would only allow me to point out even more flaws then the most obvious ones. And so I think that it would be better for you if you just tried to re-word everything you state a couple times before you state something. Just so you can get a clear definite point down.

Debating over theory is very complicated and complex.



Why is strength always assumed with energy? One could be crafty (otherwise know as smart or clever) and sneakily steal small bits of energy. Like say taking crums until there is no candy bar left to be had. Or possibly the person could say get something to interfer with the wresler and get back the candy bar, or perhaps even someone eats the half of the candy bar before the wresler got it. Or maybe it's a specific kind of candy bar that could get the wresler sick.



First you say it's just energy. Now it's past life energy? No wonder I'm not understanding this, because you are confusing and you flip flop.



Which everyone who has had a past life vision is now suddenly otherkin and suddenly powerful. No. That's a normalcy to keep energy from one life to the next, not a skill.



And this possibly could not and cannot happen to any other person who isn't otherkin?



And this possibly could not and cannot happen to any other person who isn't otherkin?



You 'have to'? Not from my perspective.



Which could hinder working in energy.



It's not that hard to keep energy, again, anyone could do that. In fact I bet you if you did a past lives meditation you could actually harness a lot more energy from all the meditation from seeing things you've experienced before.



Why is that?



Humans are animals. And I find that motor skills are often learned at a very young age. Therefore energy would have nothing to do with learning how to move. You do not pop out of your mother full grown. You learn through experiences to get to the point of motor skills. Not by some energy dictating what you can and cannot do.



How so? Please state these ways you've proved them.



Which tells me you do not know and are stretching to make your point by telling me or someone else to go look it up themselves. You assume, here, that everyone's experience will be the same.



Pardon, but you did say that nature's pull was ripping them from you. Therefore one can be lead to believe that you're saying that everyone starts off with a clean slate.



And why do you need to have your energy completely or somewhatly wiped clean when your energy has little to do with every day activities, such as walking which is learned at a very young age in your body?



You're confusing me again. First you say it is a skill and that it's a problem that they would lack energy (and thus why they keep it, is what I'm getting at) and now you're saying it's all emotional and mental. Which could be a mental illness and thus insanity.



And how does one do that? Since energy can different from person to person and react differently from object you object.



How is that? Spells are meerly tools for working energy. It's the same thing only the spell includes extra parts. It's not as effcient, but it could be more powerful. If say one is using elemental magic, choas magic, or even something of the divine magic. The banishing would be better, more effective, and possibly more powerful then you just using your energy to attempt to banish something. Which could be more or less blocking instead of banishing.



I'm sorry but I disagree with what a "spell" says. I believe a spell says "I want/need this to be done, and I choose to ask for extra help in doing so". While Me man/woman me do on my own says to me "I'm prideful and think that I'm omnipowerful and can do whatever it is I wish and want without help from any thing." Which could possibly endanger you one day.



Who said that the spell was going into the astral? Not all spells are directive towards the astral. Many are very physically based and push in the physical world with little or no astral influences.

These generalization and assumptions are what are bad in a discussion, I'm afraid. After all, we are talking about something "out of the box" instead of "in the box".



And you know this for sure? Because above it could just be you blocking the energy and not actually banishing it. Out of sight out of mind, until it comes back. Which is could happen in a spell, but still I think it would probably be more likely to happen with just your energy working and not a combination of different things. Energy working is not all powerful, and should not asserted as such.



An energy theif is not nessicarily an psi vampire. A psi-vampire requires energy to survive. an energy theif just steals it to steal it.



because, as stated before, the energy messes up their lives. Thus, a mess up.

-more skimming because the majority of the post was about this line as quoted above.-



Well, ok. : D It was like this. Me and Ninja-chan madez a baby and then I gave said baby over to him like a sea horse and then ninja-chan gave that baby over to Jameta. And while the baby was inside her it took on some of her DNA and out poped a genetic mircle my Daughter. <3

^_^;



But retreating away from fighting is not the way you win the war. >:!



lol. xD



I try and make decisions after I read. : D Thus is why I post in quotes.



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Sin-sin ::snuggle hug.::



Usually I get down to where it has to be real due to a line of events aka "past"/"present". I typed down the first part of this sentence in the past so I had to have done something in the past. However some memories could be false and I must make sure that I completely agree with them before I accept that I have had them. ^_^ Something like that. Lol.

your problem is that you are taking parts to mean the whole. . if you took the post full on instead of disecting it, it would make sense. . "flaws" in one sentence are handled in others. .

you just asked about strength and energy. . but, I already said later in the post that it isnt just stength but also skill. . you just tok the part to mean the whole and so ask a redundent question.

their is no flip floping, just becuae I am not using the exact same terminology throughtout so it doenst get so dry and boring doesnt mean it is flip flopping. . and the energy I have been talking about is the energy from the past life. . again, you are taking a part to mean the whole, and so it doesnt make sense without being seen in its entirety. .

having a past life vision isnt the same as having the energy of the past life. . it is all dependent on the circumstances what happens with people. .

being otherkin isnt a set thing. . you could be otherkin in one life, and then the next be "normal". . it isnt ike only certain people can be otherkin. .someone that is a non-otherkin human in this life could go on to a life of some other creature and take on the energy of their human life and be "otherkin" their. . it isnt like only some people are otherkin, anyone could become this. . and people who are this are not necessarily going to be this forever either. . becuase maybe the next time they die they will let go of that energy and take on their new form without awareness of their past and past life energy. .

again, you are tlaking a part to mean the whole, and in so finding supposed "flaws". . that is likened to reading a physics book, and taking one sentence at a time disregarding the rest of the book and callng it false. . anything can be said to have flaws if you dissect it and dissregard the totality of waht is being said. .

which again, I already said that knowing the past can hinder certain things a person wants to do with energy, but, that is again, dependent on the situation. . since everyone is different, how this functions is also different for every person. .and, when I say hinder with working energy, not working with energy in general, usually some specific thing about it.. but, having the strength and skill to hold onto it isnt necessarily what is affected. .

if you were to successfully see into your past and merge with it, yah, the energetic things that could happen are numberous. . no one is saying that otherkinism is an elite club, and that is what you seem to be saying. . no one is saying they are awsome or whatever, except maybe them. .lol. . but, I am not in my definition saying they are better, they just took situations differnetly and found ways to avoid loosing their past. .and sure a person who doesnt have any awareness of their past could gain it, and someone who didnt resist the pull of nature then could have if they had the proper motivation. . their are a lot of factors that go into things. . and, if you notice, most people here dont give a flying freak about anything spiritual/metaphysical unless it is halloween. . this lack of even trying to be aware is what is getting this place in so much trouble. . .

we have already discussed why it is best to go into a new life without assloads of baggage. . becuase it stunts one from new experiences in many ways. . or, it can. . it is all about how the person takes it. . but again, I cannot describe the entire cosmos to you, and some things you really do need to find out for youself. .
and, that is saying I dont have my own beleifs and understandings about how things work, but, I am not going to get into it becuae honestly I think that before you try to "prove" that something is false you try to take it into consideration, and go have your own experiences. . I never said you would have the same exeriences as I have, but, if you were to come to me and say I tried this and saw this, then I would be like "well, that is how you see it, I may not aggree with it, but respect that you took the effort to see what you could see and not come in here like a know it all that never even tried". . becuase really mayb eyou wil see things differnetly if you actually try to see. . but, that is ok, becuae I havent seen everything or know everything, and if you saw something diferent I would probably seek to check it out to see of my experience would show me the same thing. . becuase we all know that you can interpret energy differently, depending on what you are looking for. . so, I do seek to find the truth, but I know that I am subjective and we all are and may never find such truths. . but, alas, I try to see and find out, and trying I respect. .

and yes, you do learn through experiences. . but, again, we siad how that past life baggage could be bad. . becuase of this past life baggage, some poeple still dont find their current bodies home, and so have trouble moving in them. .and, energy and physicality as I have alreayd said are very close, and what is physical has an energetic backing as well to a degree, and the energy of someones soul is attached to their form, but if their energetic form and physical form differ, they can have problems. . and, also, people that are werewolf otherkin, I have seen some of them physically trying to shift. . like, their energetic body is shifting into what they used to be, and their physical body starts to have convulsions because of it, becuase their energy is going crazy, the body is connected, so the body has some effects of it as well. . I have met several people who have gone through this, so I do tend to beleive that they probably arnet bsing. . but again, before you go saying we cant trust what we see and all that, welll, again, we have already said that nothing we know is really true, so, no need to bring that up again. . I have seen this happen with several people that didnt even know each other, so I consider it possible . .

the way that it has been proved that it is *possible* that otherkin exists is in a post way back . . I am not going to repeat it. . in that post, I compare your "proof" that otherkin are false, with my argument that it is possible, and since my argument had less flaws, it is more likely to be correct. . and, to say something is possible is differnet from sayign that something is or isnt. . is or inst requires much more proof. . proof that cannot be supplied. . . and in so being niether proved true or false, it is proved possible. .

no, I am not going to tell you everything that I experience and beleive, and the proof I have found to back it up. . becuae, honestly you have proven that you are not looking at tis with an open mind, and so I am not going to bother explaining things that are meaningless to you. . as long as you are relying soley on logic and not even trying to see if someting is true, you will never know. . true knowing of something means you need to know more than the logic of something. .you can read all you want and intellectually understand every philosophical text and never even come close to enlightenment if you dont truely *know* something. . I have already discussed in a previous post how logic in and of itself is incomplete and one can never find true understanding of something in just logical comprehension. .

and again, taking the part to be the whole. .as said before, you can dissect every sentance in a physics book if you take it without considering the surrounding sentences. .

and again, I already said that energy is the basis of the physical, so energy has a lot to do with it. . as Sin said, with understanding of energy you can even get rid of pains and headaches of others with it. . if energy had nothing to do with your body, then well, you woudlnt be you, since your soul isnt physical so theirfor without energetic interfearence at all, you couldnt even use a body. .

no, again, you are taking a part to mean the whole. . took that sentence completely out of context. .

I cannot fully intellectualize how to use energy. . energy is directed by thought, but, I cannot describe fully how it feels and reacts. . you again, will actually have to try to use energy to know how to use energy. . words are a poor substitute. .

no, as I described, with a spell you are loosing energy in the process of translation down into what you want it to do. . and, also, relying on an external source could get you into trouble, aka, the spell gone awry. . if the spirit "helping" is mean, they coudl do something that is simmilar to what you asked, but not what you actually wanted. .

and yes, every spell is about energy. . energy exists on the astral, the astral is supported by the physical, so if you want a spell to do anything it is becuase it goes into the astral and then affects the physical from their. . do you physically see the mass of energy, and then see it go to your physical target?. I severely doubt it. . not unless you have aura aka energetic (astral) vision. .
the only way that a spell could not have anything to do with the physical is if it isnt really a spell, and is something that like an affirmation meant to help you feel better about yourself to change your sitiations. .
but, again, by nature, a spell is about energy. . so yes, every spell is utilizing energy and the astral. .

doing things on your own isnt a weakness. . it is actually trying to undersatnd the nature of energy and the astral and how to work with it . . it isnt about pride, but being energetically more self sufficient and able. .when you are in a world were the astral and physical are meshed, you sure as hell will want to know how to do things for youself. . when you die and you are no longer on the physical, if you encountered something that didnt like you(and knew how to do things for themselves energetically speaking) and you only know how to call for help(and lets say the help is busy right now), well, then that really sux for you. . it isnt pretty out their. . .

well, as I said, if I actually *know* how to do a banishing energetically, then pushing the energy out and purifying what is in the space would do the job. . it is all about if you know how to do it. . if you are focused enough and paying attention to what you are doing with your energy, then surely you would be able to tell the difference from a banishing and a blocking of energy. . and, if you know how to work with energy bettet, then if you did accidentally block energy, you would know how to fix it. . whereas, lets say you do a spell to banish and instead teh "helper" blocks. . well, then you probalby wont even notice that the energy is blocked instead of banished, becaseu you are not proficient enough with energy to handle the situaiton yourself. . and lets say you do notice it, you have to do another spell and hope that this spirit helping with this one is a bit nicer and understands better. .

well, I already mentioned the scenario where someone whould consiously just steal energy to be more poerful . and, yes, you can do this subconsiously too if you are subconsiouslly a very greedy person. . and again, it will often be the people around them that notice it if it is subconsious. .

No, if one starts a base on a flaw it will be consistant throughout the entire post and eventually will crumble and crack throughout the entire post. If you do not have a good foundation, you will not have a good building. Common sense in a nut shell.



No, you used stength as a double meaning metaphor for energy. And that is a very commonly used metaphor and I commented on that. And I countered it with several different points that have nothing to do with strength or skill.



If you are not using the same terminology throughout, you are flip-floping your argument. It is ok to restate something, but not to use a word that could in different context have a different meaning. It doesn't matter if it discussion is dry and boring. It's already dry and boring for me because you are redundant and flip-flop (as addressed here) and I am no longer allowed to use emotions while posting here because we are all sensative little persons.

So it matters not to me, because it is already dry and boring. Don't change your terminology in the middle of discussion and then blame me for pointing out your flip-flopping.



You did not imply that you were talking about the past life energy nor did you state you were talking about the past life energy in that example. You started with just energy which can be very different from past life energy. Thus the flip-flopping of your terminology can be taken a different way.



And you are positive in your assertion that because one just "remembers" their past live doesn't mean they could obtain energy from a memory.

I disagree. I believe that a lot of energy comes from our emotions and the way we feel. So, let's say that something bad has happened to you, every time you remember it fresh anger and energy insues from that. And gradually the energy pull the memory has begins to wane, such as every time you remember it after the first rememberance you aren't so angry about it.



Then why is there the term otherkin then? Is it not to separate oneself and assert that you are better? If it is not to separate yourself, then why bother even having the title.

I personally see it as an "I'm special" - title. Much like those who add onto the title "witch". Such as a "Black Magic Witch" (for example. Though we all know magic isn't colored. As I like to say, Magic is only colored by intent.) which is an "I'm special look at me I can do hexs". Where as otherkin is "I'm special, look at me I am -insert mythological/nice/cute/powerful/not ugly as in like a slug creature here- in a human body."



Above.



Above. First part of post, about the building. You can do that to physic books, being that a lot of it is purely theoritical. Metaphysics, gets eatten daily. Psycology, no one actually agrees with anyone else they just all point out everyone else's flaws and can't put a set diagonsis down. Science, proves half of religious ideals wrong daily only to create even more supersitious beliefs because it hasn't proved -insert occultism here- is wrong yet.

In any discussion nothing is concrete and everything is a flaw in one way shape or form. And in my personal opinion the reason we debate is to fix and solidify our tactics in what we theorize.



But you are constantly asserting and implying that this clinging to energy is some how better then letting go. And so how makes one more skillful and strong in one's energy work. So I cannot believe you believe that the past live energy could hinder someone else, I however believe that you are only saying this to appease me in some way so that I will stop pointing out that flaw.



It would seem that if you merged yourself with your past that you would not longer be in a "ideal" reality state and that you could possibly be considered insane. Being that you are living in the past and not the present.



Above.



Again, I don't agree with you. The past could help you in some way, due to prior experiences with something. Like say being attacked, would you be able to defend yourself if you didn't know how to from previous experience? I very much doubt it. Though you could probably get away it wouldn't stop you from getting or being attacked. If you've had training in fighting and defense you are more likely to get away unscathed.

And I don't nessissarily believe that you carry everything consiously up in front of your mind and soul. The soul will probably repress certain things to make it easier for you to get memories, but it doesn't just delete them because then what was the purpose of having them in the first place? I should have posted that little bit in my theory. I forgot though about it. I'll Pm the gal about it after she responds back to me.



Bolded part, exactly why I should be pressing you to attempt, because you think you could. You did not say "I cannot describe the entire cosmos", you put in there "to you" and then expected that a frilly little "Go do it yourself" was going to suffice. Right now, I'm under the impression that you believe that you are all knowing, since you can, which you've implied with that bolded statement, describe the entire cosmos, but you have no wish to tell it to me because I would point out the flaws in your description based on evidence here of me pointing them out currently.



Above. Might as well not even both to waste your energy to type out "go do it yourself" because that isn't good in an argument.

I've got my own perspectives, my own beliefs, my own energy, my own thoughts, my own experiences which could be twenty million times different then your own. Which means that if I went out and did it "myself" that you would use your personal experiences pitted against mine. Which is another false-fied overused issue that most people have in discussions.

The very first one is using personal experiences and beliefs to "prove" thine's point.
The second if telling someone else to do it themselves as if it's going to solve everything.

Do not treat me as if I can be brushed aside with these things. I will not and I won't accept them for any reason. If I don't accept Sin-sin's, my future-child-bearing-muther-of-my-children's, experiences and I trust her... at least as far as I can push her for debates, then I'm not going to trust anyone elses. Including my own.



Which solves nothing and tells me, "Well, you must not have done it right, but I'm tired of dealing with you, so bye."



I think that is not a substancal example. Yes, people find problems and issues with their bodies. They don't like them, they don't like the way they look, they don't like this or that. But I do not believe they have trouble moving or else they wouldn't be talking would they?



Was it the whining one? If so, I didn't read it and I won't read it until you clean it up. So saying your argument had less flaws and is correct is basically being a pompous, over confident person because you and I both know that I will not read it until you edit it or repost it in another post cleaned up, therefore you have no authority to say that you are correct because you already think you are correct and thus have a contaminated (sp?) perspective. If you wanted to debate me so much about my post you would have been willing to edit it.



You assumptions and next statement show me that you are at the point of breaking and you know it and I know it, and eventually what you've been stating will possibly fall to pieces in front of you. I cannot say if it is fear, irrational or rational or if it is just an unwillingness to see another point of view that conflicts with your own point of view that is getting in the way. It all is still the same, you haven't proved anything to me and have been roundabouting me the entire time.

I personally think it's good to have ones beliefs shattered. That way we know which ones were the real ones (the ones that we still believe) and the ones that were idealistic illusions (the ones that we've changed our opinions on). And I don't mean just every once in a while. I mean like constantly having our beliefs shattered so we can see a different point of view. Unfortunately your haven't even scratched mine, I'm sorry to say. But I feel that somewhat I've scratched through some of yours but that may be just me deluding myself.



As long as you are relying soley on that assumption you will continue to fall into a deeper and deeper hole that you are digging yourself into. Or what I like to call a grave. You know, I've wondered what kind of grave I would like. Since I utterly diswish to become ash. Perhaps something in a small remote graveyard, nothing fancy, just surrounded by nice trees.



Which sentence? I cannot agree or disagree if you haven't quoted it.



Your assertion is said so all knowingly that I must dismiss it. You do not know what a spell does after it's released. I do not know. And you cannot make the assumption that a spirit is too stupid to know what to do and how to do it when to sit there and ask it. I think you just insulted half of the spirits on this plane actually and probably most of them in the astral planes. I do hope you get some to work with you, though when you need them.



This assertion implies that it only exists on the astral. And I disagree, shall I provide you with examples of non-astral energy? Or are you more confident to research it yourself?



Your assertion is said so all knowingly that I must dismiss it. You do not know what a spell does after it's released. I do not know.



Funny, I can see auras. I am amused by your assumptions that I cannot see energy. But we must disregard it because your assumptions lead you to believe that I'm only logical. Even though I'm a practicing witch. I'm very amused right at this point. And Aura sight, is not "energetic vision". It's just seeing auras. How objects are surrounded by aura, how people are, how they change, how it can leave an imprint behind on an object, are not what I consider to be "energetic vision". The word energetic to me means hyper or drugged up where one is bouncy off the walls. See how different terms can mean different things, again?



Do you mean astral? That it doesn't have anything to do with the astral? And an affirmation is very much physical. For you physically feel the effects of your affirmation. I will loose weight, I will have hope for the future, I will get into college, I will, I will. Isn't what you said all about energy work being about will?



Yet people boast about it.



You didn't get my point. And you and I must have different banishing defintions. Seeing as I believe banishing is getting rid of something not moving it from one place to the other.



You assume that, but could it be possible that you don't know the difference?

Oh thats just because of predispossitions. It can mess up the now by being to concerned with the Then. That is the only mess up really being talked about. Sometimes you know it can be a good thing


Ahhhh that almost makes more sence


Damn... but but but... *flee* lol
Well who wants to Win? I would rather sustain happiness then try to cram my ways down someone elses throat.
*sigh* wars suck sometimes...


Sometimes one section relates to another. by only understanding or dissecting a section you miss the whole.



*hugs you too* Just remember people usually have some basis for there beliefs. Understanding there reasons as well as your own can help.



I end up coming against this quite a bit. I forget things second after they happen and have to peace together what just happened off of what is currently. Like I was in work and I forgot what I was doing or why I was there and so I had to guess in like 3 seconds based on what was around me.

I believe in a linear reality... to some degree... but just there is something lost when you try to study prophecy. And something about that... i dunno if I feel like trying to explain it. But it compeltely shook my foundation that anything at all truly exists.

All reality is seemingly a combination of possible interactions... and what is possible is based on what was possible and the interactions end up forming this array of possibility that creates reality. But in the end its still just a possibility nothing concrete about it accept within itself. I could never step outside the possibility for if I did I would stop existing...

That sort of thing... but then...

There are many things not being covered here. To actually view possibility accurately you have to step outside events. To not tinge them or be a part of them. This alll goes into the theory of prophecy and that... is something that really is much more of a mind ******** then otherkin.

The goal to see clearly is to not have anything tinge what your seeing and well... That is a different conversation isn't it...

Yes it could mess up now. But if it has messed up in the past that means that your knowledge is flawed because it messed up, right? So you have to alter what you know. Like learning from your mistakes. xD



*snicker* It was fun though. biggrin



Lol. Actually I just like learning more then I like winning. Winning is a plus, learning it my ultimate goal of doom. biggrin



I usually am able to follow through everything even broken up. :3 And if I need to, i reread stuff. A lot. Like a lot of psychelapis explinations.



Nod, nod. Did you see some of your stuff in there in my theory, cause it's up there. whee I wonder if you can pick it out.



You have what I like to call the "Justin" disease. See we have this guy in our school who's like ten seconds behind in almost every discussion or in class. Like he'll pipe up and ask a question that's already been answered because he's on a dely. And in math class we'll pause for ten seconds just to speed him up. XD



Linear reality? :2 I hasth not heard this term.



Well, I dunno if I agree with that or not. I'm in zee middle.



Oh quite. There are many things that are more mind ******** then otherkin which is why I wonder why it's so sought after to be. You know? I mean hell, any one who works with mind illusions oh shite. You pretty much le screwed. XD You know what I mean right? They project images and crap in your head so you believe something happened/has happened and it really hasn't. Like putting false memories in your brain.

And I think I'm paranoid about that because every time I have a dream and I think I did something but I didn't, I'm worried that it's just someone's projections in my head. :/ Not awesome. But then again, I question whether I'm in a tube and machines are feeding off my electrical impluses. The Matrix... has gotten me.



: D But that's what's fun going off topic, but not really. xD



But after a while your will dissapates on the energy and it was like it never happened. Lol, I laugh at your pun. x3 Yes, but who's will was it? O:! That is the question.

I think sin-sin saw some of her theories in my theory. >3



Where it originated from (to a point since it cannot be created or destroyed), you mean, not it's original form. x3 But like I said, after a while the whole intent/will you've aflicted on the energy will dissapate and then the energy might float on to the next thing. :3



Yup. Energy passes through them can depost memories. As well as the object has it's own. biggrin