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 Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:02 pm
steffi_is_hot1313 fine... u know what, i can tell when somebody is just to pigheaded to listen to anything else than what they think is right. and i can tell where im clearly not wanted! im sure that you will be happy to know that im leaving this guild. thank you Seority! evil It's just my opinon but go ahead. Blame your problems on me, because that just makes it all ok then right?
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:19 am
Are the dramatics really necessary? If you didn't want people to disagree with you, the debate forum probably wasn't the right place to come.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:48 pm
Didn't God destroy the city of Sodom and Gomorrah for it's wickedness? Homosexuality was a very known practice in that city. Yes, I know the thesis mentions how people would rape and batter down doors, but that still doesn't exclude the fact that homosexuality existed in that city. You still can't say that wasn't one of the reasons God destroyed the city.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:58 pm
Ambsu Didn't God destroy the city of Sodom and Gomorrah for it's wickedness? Homosexuality was a very known practice in that city. Yes, I know the thesis mentions how people would rape and batter down doors, but that still doesn't exclude the fact that homosexuality existed in that city. You still can't say that wasn't one of the reasons God destroyed the city. you're right, but that doesn't give you any back up at all. Because it wasn't mentioned as why the city was destroyed, we can't say anything towards it one way or the other. Now, here's another passage which kind of implies the no gay sex thing. I know 1 Corinthians 7 has been referred to before. To avoid sexual immorality, be married, in a heterosexual marriage.... To me that kind of implies that a couple of things are immoral for sexual behavior - having sex with more than one person at a time, having multiple partners over time (there is a slight emphasis put on own husband/wife...), and also gay sex. If gay sex is not a part of sexual immorality, then why did Paul specify that men and women should each have their own partner of the opposite sex? Seriously, at least "hot ghey sex" is sinful. Now I will acknowledge that whether or not homosexual love is a sin is iffy at best. But honestly, sex is an expression of love. And if there is no condition in which the expression of the love is right, then why is the love right? That's just my opinion... Then again, what does my opinion matter? After countless attempts to debate this issue, I have come to the conclusion that it's not my thing to decide, and that if God views this as a sin, He will convict His followers of it. Of course, it is possible to just ignore those convictions or get to the point where you just can't hear it.. But Seority, you didn't have to be so harsh.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:28 am
Berezi But honestly, sex is an expression of love. If only that were true.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:22 pm
I think homosexuality is wrong. In the beginning, God made man a woman. not another man. all the other animals were a she and a he this-or-that. can you really say it's God's intention for a man to love a man? i don't. I think it's wrong.
I'm not saying gay and lesbian people should stop their ways because of what i say, and i'm not being prejiduce, i'm just stating what is fact.
-woohooo- go berezi-san and ambusu-san!! very good points.
yes, but I think God has been trying to tell people that it's wrong, but they dulled their hearing so they wouldn't hear, like you said.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:27 pm
Mule_Town I think homosexuality is God's way of controlling population on Earth yes I have read all of your little quotes from the Bible but who knows if they were translated right??? Plus the Catholic Church through out several books so as not to be put in the Bible. I listen to God in my heart and it would feel wrong if I was doing something against him. You will probably behead me but I am bisexual. I have a girlfriend and I do not feel anything wrong with it in my heart, soul, or otherwise. Nor have I recieved signs from God that this is wrong. If and when I do then I will go against my desires. But I dont think I ever will recieve signs or feelings that it is wrong. not to say that you're evil or anything, but what if you can't tell?? i sometimes can't tell if it's God, or me telling myself something. i've been christian since i was 3. no real huge, awesome story on how i became a chrisian. but that doesn't stop me from reading what i believe is fact. THat's a good point, but many people here (who are probably more informed about hebrew and such) gave the real hebrew word, and it's direct translation. i'm still sticking with my opinion. ... -doesn't behead you-
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:55 pm
Hotaru Kitsuki_Pure-Pure I think homosexuality is wrong. In the beginning, God made man a woman. not another man. all the other animals were a she and a he this-or-that. can you really say it's God's intention for a man to love a man? i don't. I think it's wrong. I'm not saying gay and lesbian people should stop their ways because of what i say, and i'm not being prejiduce, i'm just stating what is fact. -woohooo- go berezi-san and ambusu-san!! very good points. yes, but I think God has been trying to tell people that it's wrong, but they dulled their hearing so they wouldn't hear, like you said.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:26 pm
Well I have a question.
I know that it's a sin to be a homosexual and to do practices about it. But would you be a bad Christian if you watch homosexual movies?
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:37 pm
Luthien_Telperien Well I have a question. I know that it's a sin to be a homosexual and to do practices about it. But would you be a bad Christian if you watch homosexual movies? Are you a bad Christian to watch movie containing any other sins?
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:17 pm
I agree with Ananel's thesis very strongly, and I must say, I didn't even realize half of the points he offered before I had read his thesis. One really well-educated individual right there. Also, I'd like to add that there is an extremely horrible website with an equally horrible argument AGAINST homosexuality. It's called www.godhatesfags.com . Sometimes a hateful argument FOR your beliefs is the best argument against. When beliefs get that out of hand... you really can't call yourself Christian anymore.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:37 pm
Seority I believe that homosexuals just say, "Oh, I was born this way! It's natural!" According to God, no it's not. It's unnatural as the first half of this converstaion says.
I've thought about what I would feel if I started taking interest in my best friend. If I really belived so, I could go up to her and kiss her right in the middle of the mall and yell, "Guess what! I'm a homo now!"
I believe it's totaly up to the person, not by instincts.
I'm also a "You believe what you think is right, and I'll do the same." Even though this isn't something I'm supposed to say, but I have MANY bi friends and gay friends and they know I'm Christian. They ask me why I'm not yelling at them, and I reply with the above quote, and they agree with that. I also tell them that I would never do such a thing and they respect that.
I won't tell a sinner not to sin. That's like telling the sun to not to shine on a cloudless day. Since you said you were a Christian I now have a right to tell you otherwise.
Salt and fresh water can not come from the same stream. You're either in line with God, or you're not. There is no middle. You can't be plainly sinning, and yet say you are with God. Yes we all do make mistakes, but the fact is that we should learn from them, NOT repeat them. I'm always vaguely amused when a heterosexual points at a homosexual and says "You chose this!!!" Of course you could kiss a female friend and yell "I'm a homo!" But that wouldn't make you a homosexual. That would make you a silly attention whore. On the same token, I, as a homosexual male, could kiss one of my female friends and yell "I'm a hetero!' but that wouldn't make it true. I kiss my friends, both male and female, all the time. For me, kissing is an expression of affection completely devoid of sexual attraction. The fact that I kiss women does not magically change my sexual attractions and make me heterosexual, much the same way you kissing a woman would not change your sexual attractions and make you homosexual. You do not choose your attractions. You choose how you act about those attractions, but you have very little control over the attractions themselves. Trust me. If I was given a choice in the matter of my sexuality, I would have been straight. It would have saved me a great deal of scrapes and bruises from my peers growing up, not to mention the emotional issues that went with growing up in a devout Catholic community. I would have a better relationship with my mother today, and had a chance of seeing my father before he died, and attending his funeral without being told that I had no right to be there. As fun as all of that undoubtably sounds, I think I would have happily passed on a lot of those experiences, thanks. In regards to whether or not homosexuality is a sin, I do not believe it is, based purely on personal and spiritual experiences which I will not share on a public forum.
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:01 pm
FoundationsThe foundational teaching on marriage and sexual issues is found in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. When Jesus was questioned about marriage, He referred to these 2 chapters ( Matthew 19:1–12; Mark 10:1–12 ). Genesis teaches us that ‘male and female He created them’ ( Genesis 1:27 ). We were created to a plan—male and female complementing each other. That is, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve. Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman ( Genesis 2:18–25 ). There are a number of reasons why He did so. Firstly, the complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality. Secondly, the combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28—‘Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth’. This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood ( Genesis 8:15–17 ). But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms ‘that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.’7 Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed ( Genesis 2:18 ). However, the woman’s role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10–31 is an inspiring role model. Source... Answers In Genesis
Also, it's spoken of so many times 'male-woman' relationships. And male-male or woman-woman is never held in high-respects like male-woman. Perhaps there is a reason for this? It's not my job to decide what sin is, and people have tried so hard to find 'loop-holes' in poorly translated text, but when he blesses one time and time again, and makes it clear that the other is not in his favor, I can't argue the fact that it is wrong, even if it feels right or good, or makes you happy.
After all I struggle everyday with my recent 'pornography' addiction, and trust me, that makes me feel good and happy. gonk
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:05 pm
Seority steffi_is_hot1313 but anyways...i know that some people can resist if they have homosexual thoughts, for that i applaud you, for a long time i tried to ignore them myself, but it didnt feel right. some people are just, (for a lack of better words) naturally gay! some people cant resist as easily as others, me being one of them. I believe that homosexuals just say, "Oh, I was born this way! It's natural!" According to God, no it's not. It's unnatural as the first half of this converstaion says.
I've thought about what I would feel if I started taking interest in my best friend. If I really belived so, I could go up to her and kiss her right in the middle of the mall and yell, "Guess what! I'm a homo now!"
I believe it's totaly up to the person, not by instincts.
I'm also a "You believe what you think is right, and I'll do the same." Even though this isn't something I'm supposed to say, but I have MANY bi friends and gay friends and they know I'm Christian. They ask me why I'm not yelling at them, and I reply with the above quote, and they agree with that. I also tell them that I would never do such a thing and they respect that.
I won't tell a sinner not to sin. That's like telling the sun to not to shine on a cloudless day. Since you said you were a Christian I now have a right to tell you otherwise.
Salt and fresh water can not come from the same stream. You're either in line with God, or you're not. There is no middle. You can't be plainly sinning, and yet say you are with God. Yes we all do make mistakes, but the fact is that we should learn from them, NOT repeat them.
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:41 pm
Merc Pip Bernadotte Why do people always say the we homosexuals choose to be this way? Did you all choose to be straight then? Well, I've heard murders say they were just born more violent. Child molesters saying they were born that way. It's not that you're born that way, it's that your world has turned over and you found a good feeling in that sin. You can make it okay, you can manipulate text, you can swear up and down. But you were not born that way. People are born with hair color, body color...physical things. Or mentel retardness. And unless you are going to blame being gay or a mentel cond. you were not born with it. Sorry but it's untrue. So to sum it up, it's just a way people try to make it okay, make it seem like it's not their fault...
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