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 Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:40 pm
(continuation of last post) arguing never gets any one anywhere why do people think it will do them any good all it does is spread hate and anger... I wish that everyone including myself could just stop arguing, it is a pointless waste of time and I know I sound like a hypocrite we all are at some point in our lives but what I'm trying to say is just end this thread now... I'm getting some real angry vibes from this thread and I know I accidentally caused some of them and it is making me dread joining this guild
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:40 pm
In Medias Res IV Nebulance Riiko..Izawa Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV: We all have a fallen nature-- it's simply our tendencies to do things that are not in line with God's will. Being homosexual does not make you any *more* fallen than the rest of us. It is not a sin in itself. God does not hate you for it, and neither do I. You can change sins, you can change your behaviour, you can't change your sexuality. And I still 'naturally' lust after an attractive girl that I see in the grocery store. It is impossible to eradicate the fallen distortions of our nature, but that does not mean that we should act on them. Paul says that some Christians, such as himself, are called to a life of celibacy. How is staying celibate as a homosexual any different? Are you saying it's okay to be a Christian and gay as long as you practice celibacy? Because I would be totally cool with that. As long as you don't think being gay alone is bad. It's the lust that is the sin. In my opinion anyway That's exactly what I'm saying. smile Being gay is no different from 'being' selfish. Our actions, and our thoughts as far as we control them, are what matter. So in other words, infertile people are selfish too because nothing good can come from their relationship, right? They can't make babies. Oh, and sex for pleasure is a HUGE no no. No, you misunderstand, and I'm afraid it may be fault-- I didn't word that very well. I was not equating homosexuality and selfishness. I was pointing out that having selfish desires is a 'natural' part of all our natures. We don't sin when a wrong thought, be it a selfish thought or a homosexual thought, pops unbidden into our minds. We sin when we act on those thoughts. Or choose to dwell on them.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:41 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance Riiko..Izawa Nebulance And I still 'naturally' lust after an attractive girl that I see in the grocery store. It is impossible to eradicate the fallen distortions of our nature, but that does not mean that we should act on them. Paul says that some Christians, such as himself, are called to a life of celibacy. How is staying celibate as a homosexual any different? Are you saying it's okay to be a Christian and gay as long as you practice celibacy? Because I would be totally cool with that. As long as you don't think being gay alone is bad. It's the lust that is the sin. In my opinion anyway That's exactly what I'm saying. smile Being gay is no different from 'being' selfish. Our actions, and our thoughts as far as we control them, are what matter. So in other words, infertile people are selfish too because nothing good can come from their relationship, right? They can't make babies. Oh, and sex for pleasure is a HUGE no no. No, you misunderstand, and I'm afraid it may be fault-- I didn't word that very well. I was not equating homosexuality and selfishness. I was pointing out that having selfish desires is a 'natural' part of all our natures. We don't sin when a wrong thought, be it a selfish thought or a homosexual thought, pops unbidden into our minds. We sin when we act on those thoughts. Or choose to dwell on them. Then how exactly am I sinning when I am in a committed monogamous homosexual relationship?
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:42 pm
Obito319 (continuation of last post) arguing never gets any one anywhere why do people think it will do them any good all it does is spread hate and anger... I wish that everyone including myself could just stop arguing, it is a pointless waste of time and I know I sound like a hypocrite we all are at some point in our lives but what I'm trying to say is just end this thread now... I'm getting some real angry vibes from this thread and I know I accidentally caused some of them and it is making me dread joining this guild Relax, you didn't do anything wrong. Some people will always get angry when you disagree with them, especially on an issue that is personally important to them.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:43 pm
In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance Riiko..Izawa Nebulance And I still 'naturally' lust after an attractive girl that I see in the grocery store. It is impossible to eradicate the fallen distortions of our nature, but that does not mean that we should act on them. Paul says that some Christians, such as himself, are called to a life of celibacy. How is staying celibate as a homosexual any different? Are you saying it's okay to be a Christian and gay as long as you practice celibacy? Because I would be totally cool with that. As long as you don't think being gay alone is bad. It's the lust that is the sin. In my opinion anyway That's exactly what I'm saying. smile Being gay is no different from 'being' selfish. Our actions, and our thoughts as far as we control them, are what matter. So in other words, infertile people are selfish too because nothing good can come from their relationship, right? They can't make babies. Oh, and sex for pleasure is a HUGE no no. No, you misunderstand, and I'm afraid it may be fault-- I didn't word that very well. I was not equating homosexuality and selfishness. I was pointing out that having selfish desires is a 'natural' part of all our natures. We don't sin when a wrong thought, be it a selfish thought or a homosexual thought, pops unbidden into our minds. We sin when we act on those thoughts. Or choose to dwell on them. Then how exactly am I sinning when I am in a committed monogamous homosexual relationship? By acting on your homosexual desires.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:43 pm
I'm only 14 and haven't started dating yet do to being Mormon again I'm sorry for any offense and if it will make you feel better I'll crawl into a hole of anger at myself for insulting another human being (no joke I'm really truly sorry from the bottom of my heart)
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:44 pm
In Medias Res IV Obito319 This really is a heated debate... How about this every one take a deep breathe say that we are all family in the human race and that love is love (drugs are finally starting wear off) we can all have ou r preference of who we are attracted to that won't changeIt's not a preference. At what age did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? Chill. Now. Preferences do not have to be chosen. I didn't choose to like pizza, either.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:46 pm
Obito319 I'm only 14 and haven't started dating yet do to being Mormon again I'm sorry for any offense and if it will make you feel better I'll crawl into a hole of anger at myself for insulting another human being (no joke I'm really truly sorry from the bottom of my heart) Relax. You didn't do anything wrong.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:46 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Obito319 This really is a heated debate... How about this every one take a deep breathe say that we are all family in the human race and that love is love (drugs are finally starting wear off) we can all have ou r preference of who we are attracted to that won't changeIt's not a preference. At what age did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? Chill. Now. Preferences do not have to be chosen. I didn't choose to like pizza, either. is eating pizza a "sin"? You don't like pizza but you can choose not to eat it. I can't help who I fall in love with and I have a right to love.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:48 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance That's exactly what I'm saying. smile Being gay is no different from 'being' selfish. Our actions, and our thoughts as far as we control them, are what matter. So in other words, infertile people are selfish too because nothing good can come from their relationship, right? They can't make babies. Oh, and sex for pleasure is a HUGE no no. No, you misunderstand, and I'm afraid it may be fault-- I didn't word that very well. I was not equating homosexuality and selfishness. I was pointing out that having selfish desires is a 'natural' part of all our natures. We don't sin when a wrong thought, be it a selfish thought or a homosexual thought, pops unbidden into our minds. We sin when we act on those thoughts. Or choose to dwell on them. Then how exactly am I sinning when I am in a committed monogamous homosexual relationship? By acting on your homosexual desires. And based on the Torah, homosexuality is not a sin.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:48 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance That's exactly what I'm saying. smile Being gay is no different from 'being' selfish. Our actions, and our thoughts as far as we control them, are what matter. So in other words, infertile people are selfish too because nothing good can come from their relationship, right? They can't make babies. Oh, and sex for pleasure is a HUGE no no. No, you misunderstand, and I'm afraid it may be fault-- I didn't word that very well. I was not equating homosexuality and selfishness. I was pointing out that having selfish desires is a 'natural' part of all our natures. We don't sin when a wrong thought, be it a selfish thought or a homosexual thought, pops unbidden into our minds. We sin when we act on those thoughts. Or choose to dwell on them. Then how exactly am I sinning when I am in a committed monogamous homosexual relationship? By acting on your homosexual desires. What if she gets married first (in the state that allow it)? That would make her happy and satisfy a life of celibacy. Would you have a problem with that?
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:50 pm
Nebulance Obito319 (continuation of last post) arguing never gets any one anywhere why do people think it will do them any good all it does is spread hate and anger... I wish that everyone including myself could just stop arguing, it is a pointless waste of time and I know I sound like a hypocrite we all are at some point in our lives but what I'm trying to say is just end this thread now... I'm getting some real angry vibes from this thread and I know I accidentally caused some of them and it is making me dread joining this guild Relax, you didn't do anything wrong. Some people will always get angry when you disagree with them, especially on an issue that is personally important to them. ahh but I'm trying as hard as I possibly can in life to be nice to everyone... what would Jesus do in this situation... would he damn the homosexual or the one insulting the homosexual neither we are on this world to live and grow and learn to feel pain and the holy spirit and act on it, we are also here to feel love for our fellow beings, there are guys that I hang out with that I love like we were born brothers if a person happens to love someone like a heterosexual male loved his wife it is still love and I'm sorry also for making some contradicting statements that might be considered arguing I'm just really trying to bring the view that this thread should die
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:50 pm
In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Obito319 This really is a heated debate... How about this every one take a deep breathe say that we are all family in the human race and that love is love (drugs are finally starting wear off) we can all have ou r preference of who we are attracted to that won't changeIt's not a preference. At what age did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? Chill. Now. Preferences do not have to be chosen. I didn't choose to like pizza, either. is eating pizza a "sin"? You don't like pizza but you can choose not to eat it. I can't help who I fall in love with and I have a right to love. And this is what makes me angry. Not people disagreeing with me or my lifestyle. People willfully ignoring my points. I've already said, at least a dozen times, that 'being' homosexual is not a sin. And if God had said not to eat pizza, I'd trust Him and not eat pizza. Because He'd have a good reason for having said so. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you have an absolute 'right' to marry and have carnal relations with whoever you please. Nowhere even in the Scriptures you take to be holy.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:51 pm
In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance That's exactly what I'm saying. smile Being gay is no different from 'being' selfish. Our actions, and our thoughts as far as we control them, are what matter. So in other words, infertile people are selfish too because nothing good can come from their relationship, right? They can't make babies. Oh, and sex for pleasure is a HUGE no no. No, you misunderstand, and I'm afraid it may be fault-- I didn't word that very well. I was not equating homosexuality and selfishness. I was pointing out that having selfish desires is a 'natural' part of all our natures. We don't sin when a wrong thought, be it a selfish thought or a homosexual thought, pops unbidden into our minds. We sin when we act on those thoughts. Or choose to dwell on them. Then how exactly am I sinning when I am in a committed monogamous homosexual relationship? By acting on your homosexual desires. And based on the Torah, homosexuality is not a sin. Bullshit.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:52 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance In Medias Res IV Obito319 This really is a heated debate... How about this every one take a deep breathe say that we are all family in the human race and that love is love (drugs are finally starting wear off) we can all have ou r preference of who we are attracted to that won't changeIt's not a preference. At what age did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? Chill. Now. Preferences do not have to be chosen. I didn't choose to like pizza, either. is eating pizza a "sin"? You don't like pizza but you can choose not to eat it. I can't help who I fall in love with and I have a right to love. And this is what makes me angry. Not people disagreeing with me or my lifestyle. People willfully ignoring my points. I've already said, at least a dozen times, that 'being' homosexual is not a sin. And if God had said not to eat pizza, I'd trust Him and not eat pizza. Because He'd have a good reason for having said so. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you have an absolute 'right' to marry and have carnal relations with whoever you please. Nowhere even in the Scriptures you take to be holy. No where in the scriptures does it say that homosexuality, particularly lesbianism, is a sin. I'm not ignoring your point, your point is silly. You're comparing a preference in food with a sexual attraction to another human being that can manifest into LOVE. The same LOVE that heterosexuals have.
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