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 Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:37 am
Neat. I use 'towards', too. I think the 's' is a remainder of declension, though.
I like English. It's cute. (And I'm trying hard to speak British English. Because ... hell, Americans use words like faucet! And when I hear Americans (esp. East coast or Southerners) speak, I have the urge to tell them 'You aren't supposed to vocalize every R!')
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:53 am
zombiecide Neat. I use 'towards', too. I think the 's' is a remainder of declension, though.
I like English. It's cute. (And I'm trying hard to speak British English. Because ... hell, Americans use words like faucet! And when I hear Americans (esp. East coast or Southerners) speak, I have the urge to tell them 'You aren't supposed to vocalize every R!') Water. Wah-durr. Purple. Purr-pull. Terror. Tehr-urr. Urban. URR-b'n. Her. HURR. Jeez, we do pronounce a lot of R's. confused I'm working hard (read: WURR-king HARR'd) enough as it is to keep my vowels in check so I don't end up with a Southern accent! At least I don't say "ain't" and stick unnecessary prepositions at the end of my sentences ("Where's my pencil at?" mad ). Interestingly enough, I think Southerners tend not to pronounce their R's as much. I once had a professor from Louisiana who pronounced the word "Southerner" like "suhth'n'uh."
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:08 pm
xd
You've got my point.
Well, haven't talked to too many southerners yet. I have a vague mental map of American accents I've heard, like when I listened to a Red Hot Chili Peppers interview - I somehow had the impression they pronounced the words more exactly ... rhythmically?, and less broadly than the newsreaders from CNN, and I guessed it might be the Spanish influence.
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:05 pm
zombiecide xd
You've got my point.
Well, haven't talked to too many southerners yet. I have a vague mental map of American accents I've heard, like when I listened to a Red Hot Chili Peppers interview - I somehow had the impression they pronounced the words more exactly ... rhythmically?, and less broadly than the newsreaders from CNN, and I guessed it might be the Spanish influence. xD A lot of the people here in Minnesota have funny accents. ninja Fast and with tones.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:39 am
Utahn accent is boring
you sound like you have no accent or just plain weird
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:14 pm
I've been told I don't have an accent. confused
And the Red Hot Chili Peppers are going to being in my city the day before my birthday and I DON'T HAVE A TICKET. crying
It sold out within the first half hour. stare
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:58 am
I can't actually tell American or Canadian accents apart. Dave zombiecide Neat. I use 'towards', too. I think the 's' is a remainder of declension, though.
I like English. It's cute. (And I'm trying hard to speak British English. Because ... hell, Americans use words like faucet! And when I hear Americans (esp. East coast or Southerners) speak, I have the urge to tell them 'You aren't supposed to vocalize every R!') Water. Wah-durr. Purple. Purr-pull. Terror. Tehr-urr. Urban. URR-b'n. Her. HURR. Jeez, we do pronounce a lot of R's. confused Let's see, my pronunciations would be... war-ta, purr-pull, terr-ah, er-bun.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:39 am
DavidGemmell I can't actually tell American or Canadian accents apart. I'm American, and I can't really tell them apart myself. confused I think Canadian accents are very similar to certain American accents (I can't tell which... Midwest, maybe?).
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:24 pm
Dave DavidGemmell I can't actually tell American or Canadian accents apart. I'm American, and I can't really tell them apart myself. confused I think Canadian accents are very similar to certain American accents (I can't tell which... Midwest, maybe?). really rolleyes in the new york dialect the "R" sound is either pronounced like a "W" or not pronounced at all ie: Pak the cah and the jersey dialect is kinda similar ie: jersey is pronounced joiseyCanadians use "eh" alot ie: how about we go for ice cream eh? while in america(at least in Utah anyway) "eh is used as "What?(I don't understand)" in utah we pronouce bowl as bull
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:21 pm
What's the differance between "presume" and "assume" ? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:09 pm
bokugakowaii What's the differance between "presume" and "assume" ? sweatdrop Ooh fun question! Technically presume means to assume. allow me to explain better. To presume means you have enough evidence to assume something, okay so say it's cloudy out and there's thunder, we can presume that it's going to rain. It's still an assumption, but we're fairly certain it's right. Still a bit fuzzy explination wise but it should get better once I define assume. Assume just means, basically a guess. It's a viable thing you're assuming but there's no REAL evidence. We assume that the price of the Angelic Scaf will continue to rise. It probably will rise, but it could just stay the same, there's no honest proof of it. Or if there is proof it's vague. Now, both these words also have other definitions, but I ASSUMED that you meant the definitions that make these words similar. I hope I was right, and if you need help I'm more than willing to try, but you know sometimes it really helps to just look them up like go on dictionary.com and open to windows (or tabs if you have that option) and look at the definitions side-by-side. That helps me sometimes if my fairly confusing attempt only confuses you more. ^_~
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:43 pm
From my understanding, the technical difference is that "assume" implies that you're not going to change your mind because you either don't have time, or you can't for some other reason, or you're just not interested. When you "assume" something, it's kind of like your final answer.
Say there's a party that someone's planning. You hear about it a month before it happens and plan on going, but as it gets closer to the day of the party, you don't hear anything about the party and you start wondering if it's still going to happen.
Let's say you're really interested in going to the party, but a friend of yours has other things to do that night and isn't all that interested in going to the party.
Your friend might say, "I assume the party is off, so I'm not going." By using the word "assume," he's implying that he's not really interested in whether the party is happening or not. He's assuming the party's off, so he's not going.
On the other hand, you're interested in whether the party is happening, but it looks like it probably isn't, since you haven't heard anything about it. You would say, "I presume the party is off," but the word "presume" tells whoever you're talking to that you're still interested in whether the party is happening or not, and you want to know; your point is just that you think the party is off.
This is probably a pretty confusing concept for people learning English as a secondary language, but fortunately it's not really a big deal. In fact, most people (myself included) hardly ever even use the word "presume," and just use "assume" all the time to mean either "assume" or "presume". I think the distinction between the two words is fading, so when in doubt, use "assume"!
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:52 pm
I've never heard them defined that way. But you are right, hardly anyone uses presume anymore, it really can't matter that much. Most of the time it is assume.
Actually, other than in quotes I don't think I've ever used the word Presume.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:48 pm
The two examples that come readily to my mind are
1. when you're talking about missing persons and you refer to them as being "presumed dead" if they haven't showed up for long enough
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2. "Dr. Livingstone, I presume?" biggrin
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:17 am
Thanks, you two. That was very helpful. wink
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