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 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:31 am
AN abortion is a surgicle procidure. All other procidures other then emergency ones require adult consent for a person under 18. An abortion should be no diffrent.
Yes, there are abusive parents, but if they are liek that to their kids, then the kid has no point in staying there as it is. The use of that argument bothers me. Not because its a loaded question and statement, tryign to play off our sympathies, but because every time its used, I think to my self "WHy are you saying thats a reason for confidential abortions when its not. Thats not a reason for abortoin, thats a reason to get up and do somthing to try anf stop it."
Same with the adoption thing. Every time some one suggests an adoption a pro-choicer jumps down their throuat about how bad the adobtion network is.
It seems to me like instead of saying, "Lets think of ways to fix this and make it better." You say, "Lets give her a free confedential abortion." How is having an abortion goign to fix anything? The parents are going to throw her out any ways, or the father/mother are gogin to beat her any ways. In places liek that, somthign needs to be removed, and its not the fetus form the child, its the child from the home. SHe needs to be some where better and some where the people will take care of her.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:03 am
True enough ^_^. It is emotional, and quite loaded. Truth is the girl should be removed from the home if such an environment exists.
Though I wonder... what if the parents wanted to force the daughter to abort against her will? Do they get the same authority over her medical decisions as they would if they sought to force her to remain pregnant against her will?
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:49 pm
Talon-chan True enough ^_^. It is emotional, and quite loaded. Truth is the girl should be removed from the home if such an environment exists. Though I wonder... what if the parents wanted to force the daughter to abort against her will? Do they get the same authority over her medical decisions as they would if they sought to force her to remain pregnant against her will? Since she is a minor I think they do. They have authority over her until she leaves them or is 18. But i'm not 100% sure or not.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:10 pm
Talon-chan True enough ^_^. It is emotional, and quite loaded. Truth is the girl should be removed from the home if such an environment exists. Though I wonder... what if the parents wanted to force the daughter to abort against her will? Do they get the same authority over her medical decisions as they would if they sought to force her to remain pregnant against her will? Legally, forcing your child to have an abortion is a form of child abuse. So, no, they don't. If the child does not want to abort, she dosn't have to. Liek any other medicle procedure, no one can force you to have it. And they can't force her to remain pregant against her will. An abortion is a medicle procedure, as stated, a minor needs to have thier parents otified, but I feel the parents shoudln't have the right to say no. It pains me to feel that way, but it just dosn't seem right. I feel the parents, though, shoudl have the right to a one-three day period in which they can keep their child form having it. In this period they can serach out possible alternatives...or simply wait for the day. Liek any other medicle procedure, the individule undergoign the procedure has to consent, no one can make the decision for them. Normaly, teen pregnancies of the ones you speak happen between the ages of 13 and 16, at that age the child can fully comprehend what hapaning and make choices. But, as I said above, I feel the parents still need to be notified, and there shoudl be a waitign period in whcih counseling can be sought, and alternitive methods looked into. But, I feel the parents should not have the right to force or keep her form having it if she wants...*sigh* I some times feel like a hypocrit with that staement... Now, with the abuse fact, the only way I feel keeping your child form having an abortion to be a form of abuse is if the child could suffer major and permananet injury, or death.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:47 pm
*walks in* You know, I'm really glad to know that there are a lot of people out there who, like me, believe in pro life.
I third the thought that the girl should be removed from her house. Should we start a petition for the removal of her from the house in this guild? It's just an idea, so don't beat me up if you don't like it. But if you do like it, I really think that we should start it. For the girl and the unborn child's sake.
I say that if a girl/woman decides that they do not want there child, they still should not go through with abortion. They should have the child and give it to an orphanage if they do not want it. Do you all think that that sounds a little hypocritical? Sometimes I think it does.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:04 pm
sachiko_sohma That sucks their are some parents out their like that, but if their parents are that bad she should probly leave or try to get help, like tell a close family member or maybe talk to a friends parents and stay with them. The sad thing is, yes it stinks, but it really does happen. And the scary part is, the girls and women who are kicked out because of those reasons may die, and their child (or, if they did abortion, just them.)may die, too. I really wish that abortion could just be erased from the Earth sometimes. I wish I could stop a lot of things like that, like parents kicking their daughters out because they did abortion/ they gave birth to a child, but saddly, a girl of my age probably couldn't do much about those things right now.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:18 pm
pirategirl27 sachiko_sohma That sucks their are some parents out their like that, but if their parents are that bad she should probly leave or try to get help, like tell a close family member or maybe talk to a friends parents and stay with them. The sad thing is, yes it stinks, but it really does happen. And the scary part is, the girls and women who are kicked out because of those reasons may die, and their child (or, if they did abortion, just them.)may die, too. I really wish that abortion could just be erased from the Earth sometimes. I wish I could stop a lot of things like that, like parents kicking their daughters out because they did abortion/ they gave birth to a child, but saddly, a girl of my age probably couldn't do much about those things right now. The problems with that is, people will do it illegally anyways and more people will die and what about the people how need it in life and death situations.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:19 pm
sachiko_sohma pirategirl27 sachiko_sohma That sucks their are some parents out their like that, but if their parents are that bad she should probly leave or try to get help, like tell a close family member or maybe talk to a friends parents and stay with them. The sad thing is, yes it stinks, but it really does happen. And the scary part is, the girls and women who are kicked out because of those reasons may die, and their child (or, if they did abortion, just them.)may die, too. I really wish that abortion could just be erased from the Earth sometimes. I wish I could stop a lot of things like that, like parents kicking their daughters out because they did abortion/ they gave birth to a child, but saddly, a girl of my age probably couldn't do much about those things right now. The problems with that is, people will do it illegally anyways and more people will die and what about the people how need it in life and death situations. very true. I have to go.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:22 pm
pirategirl27 sachiko_sohma pirategirl27 sachiko_sohma That sucks their are some parents out their like that, but if their parents are that bad she should probly leave or try to get help, like tell a close family member or maybe talk to a friends parents and stay with them. The sad thing is, yes it stinks, but it really does happen. And the scary part is, the girls and women who are kicked out because of those reasons may die, and their child (or, if they did abortion, just them.)may die, too. I really wish that abortion could just be erased from the Earth sometimes. I wish I could stop a lot of things like that, like parents kicking their daughters out because they did abortion/ they gave birth to a child, but saddly, a girl of my age probably couldn't do much about those things right now. The problems with that is, people will do it illegally anyways and more people will die and what about the people how need it in life and death situations. very true. I have to go. O.k. bye
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:30 pm
And not only that... even if abortion were outlawed... there are still really horrible parents that would disown their daughter for even getting pregnant sad It's a sad world we live in.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:47 pm
There are girls now who are pressured heavily to abort, as in, threats of being kicked out, beaten, or killed are issued against her. Girls are also threatened with the same thing if they try to get abortions. It's not legal, but the sucky thing about this country is that you aren't really safe if you don't have money. That's why poor people are often targeted. It's safer to victimize a poor person. The DSS tends to go for kids in poor homes because the parents don't have the money to fight them in court, and the parents haven't necessarily done anything wrong. There's a huge problem with the adoption system, and it all comes down to money. There is a price put on the head of every child who enters. There are those who are quite willing to help, but there are a lot of people who'd rather keep as many kids in the system as possible because they get more money that way. It's also getting almost impossible to adopt. You can't adopt outside your race, at least not where I live. People have even been denied because they've had large dogs in the past. Bosses can get away with firing pregnant women by claiming another reason for her dismissal, even if the women are told that they might be able to stay if they abort. It's sick. This entire world is sick. And unfortunately, women are paying a large price for it. Men are too, but mostly women end up with the short stick (Anyone faint from seeing me say that? xd ).
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:30 pm
lymelady There are girls now who are pressured heavily to abort, as in, threats of being kicked out, beaten, or killed are issued against her. Girls are also threatened with the same thing if they try to get abortions. It's not legal, but the sucky thing about this country is that you aren't really safe if you don't have money. That's why poor people are often targeted. It's safer to victimize a poor person. The DSS tends to go for kids in poor homes because the parents don't have the money to fight them in court, and the parents haven't necessarily done anything wrong. There's a huge problem with the adoption system, and it all comes down to money. There is a price put on the head of every child who enters. There are those who are quite willing to help, but there are a lot of people who'd rather keep as many kids in the system as possible because they get more money that way. It's also getting almost impossible to adopt. You can't adopt outside your race, at least not where I live. People have even been denied because they've had large dogs in the past. Bosses can get away with firing pregnant women by claiming another reason for her dismissal, even if the women are told that they might be able to stay if they abort. It's sick. This entire world is sick. And unfortunately, women are paying a large price for it. Men are too, but mostly women end up with the short stick (Anyone faint from seeing me say that? xd ). Yes it is. It's seems like their is an cospriacy behind alot of things.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:03 am
sachiko_sohma pirategirl27 sachiko_sohma That sucks their are some parents out their like that, but if their parents are that bad she should probly leave or try to get help, like tell a close family member or maybe talk to a friends parents and stay with them. The sad thing is, yes it stinks, but it really does happen. And the scary part is, the girls and women who are kicked out because of those reasons may die, and their child (or, if they did abortion, just them.)may die, too. I really wish that abortion could just be erased from the Earth sometimes. I wish I could stop a lot of things like that, like parents kicking their daughters out because they did abortion/ they gave birth to a child, but saddly, a girl of my age probably couldn't do much about those things right now. The problems with that is, people will do it illegally anyways and more people will die and what about the people how need it in life and death situations.
Keeping abortion legal is the logical equivalent of legalizing any violent act. Laws are set up to protect the victim, not the victimizer.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:47 pm
Mcphee sachiko_sohma pirategirl27 sachiko_sohma That sucks their are some parents out their like that, but if their parents are that bad she should probly leave or try to get help, like tell a close family member or maybe talk to a friends parents and stay with them. The sad thing is, yes it stinks, but it really does happen. And the scary part is, the girls and women who are kicked out because of those reasons may die, and their child (or, if they did abortion, just them.)may die, too. I really wish that abortion could just be erased from the Earth sometimes. I wish I could stop a lot of things like that, like parents kicking their daughters out because they did abortion/ they gave birth to a child, but saddly, a girl of my age probably couldn't do much about those things right now. The problems with that is, people will do it illegally anyways and more people will die and what about the people how need it in life and death situations.
Keeping abortion legal is the logical equivalent of legalizing any violent act. Laws are set up to protect the victim, not the victimizer.
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You've done well Grasshopper.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:58 pm
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