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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:48 pm
I checked back to the first page just to make sure I didn't break any rules and this is what I found:
We all know that we have something to vent about. We know that we always want to tell someone about it. So, here's your chance. If you want to say that you lost your favorite pen and you're devastated, don't feel afraid to post it here. This thread is to vent anything and everything that you'd like.
Still a bit confused and very much offended but I am sorry if I did offend people because that's the last thing I want to do. If you'd feel more comfortable with me ranting about my favourite pencil being broken, then I will be happy to do so.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:50 pm
AgentPingoX69Oo Well I'm sorry I've offended you, but if you haven't noticed I'm not actually "calling" anyone that so I don't think it should be considered as offensive. I'm just stating my opinion and since this whole topic is called The Official Blog/Rant/Vent Thread I [assumed] that it was indeed a place to rant. There weren't any restrictions of what you can and cannot say and I was not throwing the word around, I was merely stating a modern problem in our society. I have never called anyone that and I never will. I don't want to give any attitude but I'm a bit annoyed at the fact that I'm being chewed out over something I find a rather serious issue. Maybe they should take the Rant bit out of the thread so people don't get confused and end up being bitched at. I'm glad, though, that you are being open about it if that is indeed what the other people were thinking as well. Again I'm sorry for offending you and now that I know I will go to another guild where I am allowed to actually rant about real things besides what alcohol tastes best.. I believe the purpose of calling it blog/rant/vent is that it is based more around your personal life, not towards debating. There is a discussion subforum if you wish to start a debate. And I only respond to debates if I feel that I have something intelligent to add to the debate, so when I don't respond it is usually related to my desire to avoid looking like an idiot rather than me ignoring the posts. Edit: although if you wish to know, I find the word offensive in any form, regardless of who is saying it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:28 pm
Personally, I think it's our culture that make the word have the power that it does. It's simply a connection of sounds to form a word, and in the long run doesn't mean anything except what people put behind it. A perfect example of this is what is happening over a Sony PSP ad that is running in Holland. They came up with a billboard ( Linked here) that is causing an uproar in America, dispite the Ad never airing here. Yes, at first glance your thought is 'HOLY s**t BALLS! That's really racist!', but you have to understand that it's not racist over there. We have a -history- of racism and such over here, so we're a whole lot more sensative to that kind of thing. It's not ment to be about race at all, simply the differing colors of the Handhelds. The CTRL+ALT+DEL site (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/) has a great take on this. "Stop making race a big deal, and race stops being a big deal."
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:04 pm
First of all, I didn't 'chew' you out. I was actually pretty polite in asking you to knock it off. If you would like me to 'chew' you out, push me a little further... Really go ahead.
Second of all, it doesn't matter whether or not you're calling someone that word or whether you're just using it. Its still offensive, and it has no place in conversation.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you also have to respect the fact that there are people around here that don't like the word, and don't need to see it smeared across the boards. If you feel the need to carry on with the conversation, perhaps you can find a more tactful way to do it. Or go talk about it in the discussion forum, and maybe warn people that you're going to be using such a word. Don't push your thoughts and beliefs on other people. It's not very becoming.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:35 pm
Maybe it wasn't "chewing me out" but I was a bit taken aback by it because I really didn't expect that kind of response. The reason I did say the word was because I didn't want to beat around it; if I'm going to talk about the issue then there's no point in being shy. I really am genuiely(sp) sorry.
As far as I knew I wasn't pushing my ideas on people. If I was doing that then I'd be insulting and threatening people about not agreeing because I was right, I was just stating my opinion. I am also not quite sure what is tactful if that wasn't... What's wrong about being upfront? Would tactful just be saying "the n word" instead of saying "******?" (sorry, but that wouldn't have proved my statement if I said 'the n word instead of saying the n word') In my opinion that's just shying around the issue that I was trying to bring up. The whole point of that post was the fact that I DIDN'T like the word and wanted to know if other people agreed that it shouldn't be used.
Look at what Tirion says about it, he makes a lot of sense on saying "the n word"
I don't want to be starting some weird argument with you because it would be stupid and that was not my purpose. I felt insulted and hurt that you were making me out to be some tasteless person saying ****** this and ****** that. If that was what you were really thinking then you obviously weren't getting the message I was saying.
I will pay heed to what you have said and promise to warn others about what I will say before I say it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:43 pm
And in reply to Tirion:
"Personally, I think it's our culture that make the word have the power that it does. It's simply a connection of sounds to form a word, and in the long run doesn't mean anything except what people put behind it.
A perfect example of this is what is happening over a Sony PSP ad that is running in Holland. They came up with a billboard (Linked here) that is causing an uproar in America, dispite the Ad never airing here.
Yes, at first glance your thought is 'HOLY s**t BALLS! That's really racist!', but you have to understand that it's not racist over there. We have a -history- of racism and such over here, so we're a whole lot more sensative to that kind of thing. It's not ment to be about race at all, simply the differing colors of the Handhelds.
The CTRL+ALT+DEL site (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/) has a great take on this.
"Stop making race a big deal, and race stops being a big deal."
Everything you've said about this issue is right on target and makes a lot of sense. It was unknowingly hypocritical of me to be telling friends and others not to get so worked up over what other people say to them when I'm so angry and pissed off by all this racism. All of those racial slurs are used to belittle someone, just like those mean kids at school who called me four eyes. >.< If you don't respond to it then they lose their power. Damn does that make sense!!! That clears a lot of things up. Thanks for your brilliant opinion! ^_^
Isn't it funny when there's something right in front of your face that isn't obvious until it's shown to you? I feel like that now... LoL
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:02 pm
If the entire point of your post was to say that you didn't like the word, then why were you throwing it around? That kinda contradicts your whole point, doesn't it? And why do you continue to use, especially after you were asked to stop? Like I said, you have the right to say whatever you want to say, but you need to be respectful to the other people here, and the people who might not like the word, and that clearly wasn't respectful, and you're not being respectful now.
I was not making you out to be some tasteless person. I asked you to stop using the word, and pointed out that if people weren't jumping on board with your conversation, than it was because they were over it and clearly didn't want to talk about it anymore. You may interpret it as you like, but there was no hidden message in there, and I wasn't trying to degrade you... That's not my style.
You really need to work on your communication skills.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:56 pm
The next time I see someone who says that being bipolar means you can't control your actions, I will personally bitchslap them and say, "SEE!!! I'M BIPOLAR AND I WAS IN CONTROL OF THAT ACTION!!!!"
See, in real life if I hurt someone, I get called on it. If I attack someone, guess what? It was my own damn fault. And I am well aware that I am responsible for my actions. Real friends are supportive, but they also don't let me get away with s**t. Anyway, there is this delicious place called Ciocolat in Davis that serves the best chocolate desserts ever. I highly recommend it, although it is a bit expensive. Chocolate is love. cool
I also wish it would cool down a bit. This house is too big to turn on the air constantly, unless I want to be smacked by the electric bill.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:51 pm
Disclaimer: it's late, I've been out of town, and I want to go to bed. Hence, I haven't fully read all of the posts thus far about this race issue. If I make an a** out of myself by misquoting someone, I apologize.
To Pingo's credit, this is a blog/rant/vent thread. Anything can be said here, though most people choose to express what happened in their daily lives. Hell, even Butters would post links to his rants in here. The topic of racism is touchy at best, though I think we all agree that it's "bad." However, the linguistic side of racism, e.g. the use of derogatory words, is an interesting subject that I feel is open for discussion. The word ****** is just that: a word. The meaning behind it carries several connotations, including (but not limited to) inferring that certain people are inferior to others, directing attention to a friend or member of the same racial group, or as Tirion pointed out, the definition of someone with low educational experience. I believe the original post's intention was not to "throw the word around" but to bring it to attention. Personally, I think it's a shame when people ignore certain things because of it's meaning instead of dealing with it head on. Sure, you could use the "n-word" or whatever, but again, you're only giving the original word more power by doing so.
While my opinion is strictly non-binding, I do suggest that people let this topic go. No harm, no fouls.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:14 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:33 pm
Replying to AraTeran: Quote "The next time I see someone who says that being bipolar means you can't control your actions, I will personally bitchslap them and say, "SEE!!! I'M BIPOLAR AND I WAS IN CONTROL OF THAT ACTION!!!!"
See, in real life if I hurt someone, I get called on it. If I attack someone, guess what? It was my own damn fault. And I am well aware that I am responsible for my actions. Real friends are supportive, but they also don't let me get away with s**t.
Anyway, there is this delicious place called Ciocolat in Davis that serves the best chocolate desserts ever. I highly recommend it, although it is a bit expensive. Chocolate is love. icon_cool.gif
I also wish it would cool down a bit. This house is too big to turn on the air constantly, unless I want to be smacked by the electric bill." Unquote
I personally think it's a shame that people assume just because you've done something that seemed rash that it was because of bipolar. It may be so, but there are many people with no diagnosis of anything whatsoever that do that exact same thing. What would they call it then? I'm bipolar, so I know where you're coming from. I was never called on it, at least not to my face, mostly because I was barely at school to begin with and I would lock myself in my teacher's room during lunch. I absolutely hated all of my friends and snapped and cursed at them all the time. I guess the cliche and apparently emo phrase "They just didn't understand." I still am considered bipolar although I am medicated so when it does slip out it's only for a short amount of time.
Who is calling it on you anyhow? They aren't friends that are calling you on being bipolar when you "can't control your actions" are they? How many people know this? I don't know the situation but it kind of sounds to me like everyone seems to know of your "condition." And as for bitchslapping them to prove that you are in control of your actions, I think that would contradict the very thing you're trying to show. At least in their eyes. I'm not sure if it is part of the bipolar that is making you so edgy about it but you don't need to give them the power. You are showing them that you're emotions ARE out of control and that they have power over you because you get so easily offended.
I hope I'm not reading this wrong, I'm just trying to help.
If and when people are calling you on it you just need to walk away and distance yourself from these people. You don't need to waste your energy on useless people who are there just to get you riled up. They feed on your anger and see it as a sign of weakness. What might help with your aggression is taking up some kind of sport or excercise to let out all of the energy you're using as anger.
I hope that helped at least a little bit. Take care!
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:40 pm
AgentPingoX69Oo I personally think it's a shame that people assume just because you've done something that seemed rash that it was because of bipolar. It may be so, but there are many people with no diagnosis of anything whatsoever that do that exact same thing. What would they call it then? I'm bipolar, so I know where you're coming from. I was never called on it, at least not to my face, mostly because I was barely at school to begin with and I would lock myself in my teacher's room during lunch. I absolutely hated all of my friends and snapped and cursed at them all the time. I guess the cliche and apparently emo phrase "They just didn't understand." I still am considered bipolar although I am medicated so when it does slip out it's only for a short amount of time. Who is calling it on you anyhow? They aren't friends that are calling you on being bipolar when you "can't control your actions" are they? How many people know this? I don't know the situation but it kind of sounds to me like everyone seems to know of your "condition." And as for bitchslapping them to prove that you are in control of your actions, I think that would contradict the very thing you're trying to show. At least in their eyes. I'm not sure if it is part of the bipolar that is making you so edgy about it but you don't need to give them the power. You are showing them that you're emotions ARE out of control and that they have power over you because you get so easily offended. I hope I'm not reading this wrong, I'm just trying to help. If and when people are calling you on it you just need to walk away and distance yourself from these people. You don't need to waste your energy on useless people who are there just to get you riled up. They feed on your anger and see it as a sign of weakness. What might help with your aggression is taking up some kind of sport or excercise to let out all of the energy you're using as anger. I hope that helped at least a little bit. Take care! I think you misunderstand a little of what I meant. I get angry at people easily sometimes and lash out at people in real life. But when I say that I get called on it, my friend says "hey, that's not cool, you are hurting people on purpose" instead of just writing it off as me having some mental disorder. Most of the people I know have no idea about me being bipolar, but my friend does and tries to be supportive. But part of her being supportive is pointing out when I am becoming hurtful towards other people, which in turn causes me to stop and think and thus control my temper. My point is that sometimes emotions are difficult to control, but being labeled as something does not excuse a person's actions if they are hurtful or abusive to another person. If my emotions are out of control my friend tries to listen and help me out. But if I start yelling at people, or swearing at them when they don't deserve it simply because I allow myself to get angry, my friend points it out so I can recoqnize it and stop. The thing I was griping about is people who say "I/he/she is bipolar and that's why she attacks people or throws things. Bipolar explains part of the emotional problem, but if a bipolar person attacks another person they are still responsible for harming that person. For example, someone said their boyfriend was bipolar and they were afraid of him trying to kill her someday. My response was that bipolar or not, the boyfriend did not have the right to make her feel afraid. Lol, when I said I would smack someone that was just me being stupid, so I retract that.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:32 pm
Gotta love the stigma that comes with being diagnosed with a mental disorder.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:27 am
If only more people thought the same way about special education. But oh no, we mustn't do anything to hurt the feelings of those 'children with exceptional abilities.' Sure, I'm all game for promoting positivity, but when a kid can basically say "yeah, well ******** you and your school," not do a lick of work, and constantly get into fights because he has "ADHD-like tendencies" and "a low reading level" is bullshit. People abuse any form of power that given to them; It unfortunately is just human nature.
Related to what your tone was, but more of a personal rant than anything else.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:27 pm
Soleq If only more people thought the same way about special education. But oh no, we mustn't do anything to hurt the feelings of those 'children with exceptional abilities.' Sure, I'm all game for promoting positivity, but when a kid can basically say "yeah, well ******** you and your school," not do a lick of work, and constantly get into fights because he has "ADHD-like tendencies" and "a low reading level" is bullshit. People abuse any form of power that given to them; It unfortunately is just human nature. Related to what your tone was, but more of a personal rant than anything else. Heh, reminds me of a kid I knew who punched another kid on the playground for no reason. She didn't get into trouble or anything because she "couldn't help it." Not to discredit special education, but this girl sure as hell knew what she was doing (she had some social problems but she was a lot smarter than she claimed). A normal kid would have been suspended (this was elementary school). I hear she got expelled a few years later though, for a similar situation. The middle school doesn't take fighting.
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