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 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:01 pm
sachiko_sohma Pyrotechnic Oracle No, its not. The DNA is not hers, it can only be linked to hers since the CHild's DNA resembles that of the mother and the father. Hey. "And the father" that means, once its out of the body, the father has just as much say over it. He should have say even before it's born. It's his child as well and as much apart of him as it is hers. And no, their DNA is their own, not the moms. Yes, I agree with you. I was saying that once the fetus is out of the mothers body the "My body my choice" argument no longer holds. And no, the DNA does not belong to the mother, but it does resemble hers. It is not her DNA at all, it is the DNA of the childs, and no geneologist or who ever it is that studies blood and genes would argue that. The "I don't want my DNA propogated" defense would crumble instently the moment a blood analast or what ever steped forward
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:27 pm
*blush* I feel special. No wI have to give DarkFire a plus. He's also for the artificial wombs... even if he does treat you guys like s**t he's for them. But yeah, I don't see the point of refusing it because of it's your DNA... but I guess that's just me.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:50 pm
Darkfire treats us like s**t because he came in here trying to tell us, but ended up getting told.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:10 pm
Vivnox *blush* I feel special. No wI have to give DarkFire a plus. He's also for the artificial wombs... even if he does treat you guys like s**t he's for them. But yeah, I don't see the point of refusing it because of it's your DNA... but I guess that's just me. If he repect us more, we would repect him more but that goes for anybody ( least that how I think. If you want repect then you have to repectful of others). The think is, it's not their DNA, it's someone elses DNA, that person just came from you but not just you but also from the father as well.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:27 pm
people say why should a fetus has more rights the someone already born. The last time I check, the only right they have the only right we want for then is life and nothing more. So how can that me more rights then someone else? People don't even given then that right. people born have ALOT more rights, vote, drink and eat what ever they want, speach with limits ( no 100% freedom of speach),ect.... At least let them have life, it's all they have.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:32 pm
I tried talking to Darkfire. I tried being rational, because he hates me, because I told him off.
He hates me probably more than ever, and sees me as an anti-hetero, anti-woman kind of person.
I don't care. He can... just... You know, being nice doesn't even matter, sometimes. Certain people just don't like you because you're being you. I have to realize that. >>
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:36 pm
sachiko_sohma ( no 100% freedom of speach) Not any more. Saying that the church can talk about polotics is abridging the right to freedom of speech. Not ebing aloud to say a pryer in house meeting is a freedom of speech. Takcing down the ten comandments in school and in court was an infringement of freedom of speech. 'but we did it so no one will get offended' strange, last I checked, the christian comunity and many non christians were deeply offended. 'Oh...well they don't count' stare And now (sorry Mcphee) you can't speak out agianst the homosexual community in any way they might find offensive... And then there are a number of diffrent things. Yeah...this country is heading head first for a huge pile of horse s**t, and their ain't no stopping.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:38 pm
Mcphee I tried talking to Darkfire. I tried being rational, because he hates me, because I told him off.
He hates me probably more than ever, and sees me as an anti-hetero, anti-woman kind of person.
I don't care. He can... just... You know, being nice doesn't even matter, sometimes. Certain people just don't like you because you're being you. I have to realize that. >> I find that wrong to have someone cause their just being themselfs but what can do? People are going to hate people for all kinds of stupid reasons.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:42 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle And now (sorry Mcphee) you can't speak out agianst the homosexual community in any way they might find offensive... And then there are a number of diffrent things.
"The catholic church is like the abusive husband who, when the wife starts to fight back, whines and starts crying."
No offense to any catholics/christians/anyone who believes in God, but freedom of speech (at least in Canada) doesn't stretch to cover Hate-speech, and that's exactly what Jerry Fallwell, and others, like those lovely Christians on godhatesfags.com, do. They spread their messages of hate, and put it under the guise of God, which is something that I find just contemptable.
Like I said before, I love the Bible. It's a pretty great book.
People who follow it are the ones who screw it up.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:48 pm
I'm not talkign about hate speech Mcphee, you know that.
I'm talkign about anythign they may fidn offensive. That even include staments like "Well...its just not natural." IN other words. The government in america has now said "You can either except it, or not, but your can't say any thign against it at all."
godhatesfags.com is a travisty. Peopel who look at it as a mental illness need to get a catscan. Its a life choice and nothign more.
And Mcphee, please donot call Jerry Fallwell a christian, because he obviously isnts. I feel the verse "...if a man shall striek you on the cheek, turn to him the other" to apply to both physicle and verbal abuse. If somthgin is said you don't like, the best coarse of action to take is to ignore it, or try to debate it in a civilised manner.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:48 pm
Mcphee
He hates me probably more than ever, and sees me as an anti-hetero, anti-woman kind of person.
Yup that pretty much describes you rofl
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:50 pm
Mcphee Pyrotechnic Oracle And now (sorry Mcphee) you can't speak out agianst the homosexual community in any way they might find offensive... And then there are a number of diffrent things.
"The catholic church is like the abusive husband who, when the wife starts to fight back, whines and starts crying."
No offense to any catholics/christians/anyone who believes in God, but freedom of speech (at least in Canada) doesn't stretch to cover Hate-speech, and that's exactly what Jerry Fallwell, and others, like those lovely Christians on godhatesfags.com, do. They spread their messages of hate, and put it under the guise of God, which is something that I find just contemptable.
Like I said before, I love the Bible. It's a pretty great book.
People who follow it are the ones who screw it up.I don't think God hates people, just some of their actions. But I don't follow the bible though (i'm agnostic) I was told ( we I went to church) that you should love everybody so that site would make them hypocrites.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:54 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I'm not talkign about hate speech Mcphee, you know that. I'm talkign about anythign they may fidn offensive. That even include staments like "Well...its just not natural." IN other words. The government in america has now said "You can either except it, or not, but your can't say any thign against it at all." godhatesfags.com is a travisty. Peopel who look at it as a mental illness need to get a catscan. Its a life choice and nothign more. And Mcphee, please donot call Jerry Fallwell a christian, because he obviously isnts. I feel the verse "...if a man shall striek you on the cheek, turn to him the other" to apply to both physicle and verbal abuse. If somthgin is said you don't like, the best coarse of action to take is to ignore it, or try to debate it in a civilised manner.
I just... certain Christians make me want to punch a wall.
My Uncle hasn't made me like Christians very much, because I apparently think I'm gay, only because I like to look at gay porn. I also need God to help me figure my REAL self out, and I'm going through a phase.
And... Pyro, I would look up homosexuality on the APA website. It's not a choice, it's something you're actually born with, and that's engrained into you. Hormones, and all that, you know.
Again, sorry if I'm offending anyone, but if you met my uncle, you'd know what I'm talking about. He last talked to me about God when my mother went back into the hospital, and told me that my mother had problems (which she did, but which I didn't need to hear from him) that I needed to pray about. And you know, when your mother almost dies, you don't want someone to TALK to you about reconsidering your belief in God. I mean, honestly. Come ON.
Oh. I'm ranting. Sorry.
karl: I know. I'm such a wife beater. I hate those women.
Babymakers on a stick! Fetuses deserve life, not women! Hiel! 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:55 pm
"It has been said AN Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth, but I say unto you, if a man shall striek you on your cheek, turn to him the other." A message of peace. "Love thy neighbor" I the bible, the word Neighbor is translated form a hebrew word that means "person" IE, any Old Joe.
Yes, you are to love every one, even the homosexual, the satan worshiper, etc etc etc. Its God's place to cast ultimate judgment, not man's.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:57 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle "It has been said AN Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth, but I say unto you, if a man shall striek you on your cheek, turn to him the other." A message of peace. "Love thy neighbor" I the bible, the word Neighbor is translated form a hebrew word that means "person" IE, any Old Joe. Yes, you are to love every one, even the homosexual, the satan worshiper, etc etc etc. Its God's place to cast ultimate judgment, not man's.
...Briefly.
Then I decided God just wasn't my 'thing'. You know how it is.
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