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You know about mothers who can't have babies?
And there are women who will carry ze baby for them...
This is ze same as with Sephiroth...
Lucreia was ze carrier not ze mother.

relly

My theroy about Jenova is this: It's a headless spook that needs to find another damn planet before I kill it.

yeah i am glad that someone finally got some research done on this topic. people shouldnt have to make up stuff though.

It didn't move fast enough.....*eyes JENOVAs remains that have been blasted with the Makou Cannon* Uhhh....Hi Sephiroth. It wasn't me, if thast what your thinking. It was Hojo. You'll find him hiding in the Sector 3 slums, red pipe building.
Sephiroth: YOU DIE NOW HOJO!!!!! evil

Just adding in my infinite respect for Squall for having typed all that up, all of which I agree with! Or have previously thought in one form or another.

In regard to the crater, i.e. the north crater, it's implied that however Jenova did get to the planet, her landing caused it. It's possible she did this via a meteor, though all we know from what Ifalna tells us is that the Cetra were there patching things up, the planet told them to go, they didn't, out came Jenova to screw with their heads. After she turned most of them into monsters, the few survivors banded against her.

My question is, generally, which interpretation of the Cetra is right. I've never been completely able to figure it out. And I hope it's not too off-topic in a Jenova thread. What I mean is...

Sephiroth tells us that the Ancients were a migratory race of people that went from PLANET to PLANET (I wonder how). When people got sick of it, they stopped, hid when bad things happened, the Cetra were sacrificed to stop the disaster, etc. The Promised Land is something after all the planets are travelled and cultivated. I wonder how if they went from Planet to Planet they were able to so well connect to each one?

OK, good. But he's reading out of science journals, which were written by people like Gast, presumably in the days when he dug up Jenova and happily called her a Cetra. UNLESS he did it while talking to Ifalna, but, that doesn't completely configure-- while Ifalna talked to Gast in their home happily, I have a feeling she'd be less willing to help ShinRa fill their journals.

And Ifalna's conversations with Gast give no inclination of a) Cetra giving up or b) those Cetra who gave up going and hiding, thus saving their skins. Though, Ifalna also doesn't give an indication of the Cetra having come from a different planet-- preparing to depart from the land they love indicates the Knowlespole. They also cultivate the Knowlespole. When Jenova comes, she infects them with a virus that turns them all into monsters. The majority of the Cetra aren't SACRIFICED for the planet, as Sephiroth says, but they're morphed by Jenova.

So, one might argue that the Cetra and the ancestors of the current race of folk were two different species, one more in tune with the planet (Ifalna says there aren't any planet healing powers but clearly the Cetra were special, if a half-cetra can talk to the planet and summon holy) or more advanced, that were able help the wound in the North and then seal Jenova away. Also, the Cetra clearly have a negative reaction to Jenova cells, i.e. becoming monsters, while the current race becomes strengthened by them. Maybe becauase the Cetra's body seems so attuned to the planet, that something intending to destroy the planet would want to ditch that, while with reg. humans they can be used. (Intriguingly, maybe the reason for the mutations of those guys in the Nibelheim reactor is because of a combination of Mako AND Jenvoa, i.e. if you buy that condensed lifestream/mako, the materia, is the knowledge of the Ancients. (I say if you buy because tech, wouldn't it be the knowledge of all the dead people?))

Anywho, yes. I'm pretty clear on what Jenova is, so this is entirely off-topic except in relation to what she does to the Cetra. Planet-roamers, or an ancient race? Or, duh, both-- humanity started from the stars, the pyramids were left by aliens, etc, whatever you want to believe. But a race developed from the planet, rather than outside of it, would make Aerith's interpretation of the Promised Land make more sense. As opposed to ShinRa Journals physical PLACE and as the President wants, a land of boundless mako energy, she describes it as something much different.


Aerith
"All I know is..."
"The Cetra were born from the Planet, speak with the Planet, and
unlock the Planet."
"And....... then......"
"The Cetra will return to the Promised Land. A land that promises
supreme happiness."

Tifa
"...What does that mean?"
Aerith
"More than words...... I don't know."

Aerith
"Someday I'll get out of Midgar... Speak with the Planet and find
my Promised Land."
"...That's what mom said."

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Aerith
"The Cetras return to the Promised Land. A land that promises
boundless happiness."

Aerith
"...You don't 'know' where the Promised Land of the Ancients is."
"You search and travel, until you feel it. Like you just know,
'...this is the Promised Land.'"


But then it kind of contradicts itself in the Temple, when she refers to it as being a place with lots of energy. Ohh, Aerith. Silly. (especially after she JUST TOLD TSENG that it was different and he'd always been wrong.)

Aerith
"That's right."
"One person's power alone won't do it."
"Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's
energy..."
"Oh yeah!"
"The Promised Land!"


Overall, though, the suggestion seems to be that it's just what makes you real happy. (I feel like there was another quote suggesting it, but oh well.) Thus, not a place beyond all planets. But who the frick were the Cetra, exactly? Except fodder for the Jenova cannon. Booom.

cloud will beat sephiroth

Judging by all the information in FF7, one would have to say that Hojo is Sephiroth's father, plain and simple. If one looks at what Vincent has to say about Sephiroth and the SHM in the movie, one would have to reach the same conclusion. However, Dirge of Cerberus pretty much proves that Hojo is Sephiroth's father, and that he used his own son to perform an experiment that he would eventually duplicate on himself.
And as for the Jenova thing, one interesting thing that has been pointed out to me is this: When Sephiroth breaks Jenova's headless body from her containment unit in Shinra Tower and immediately slaughters everyone in the upper levels of the Tower, her container is burst from the inside. Although MN has heard a lot of really bizarre reasons for this, he believes it is very simple: This is merely another example of Sephiroth manifesting into a random clump of Jenova cells, like the Jenova-DEATH fight mentioned in the first post. Any significant amount of Jenova cells (I.E. Kadaj and Jenova's head) is a potential Sephiroth, as long as Sephiroth's energies have not been absorbed into the Lifestream, which they obviously were not (remember the red Lifestreams escaping from Sephiroth's body at the end of FF7?)...