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Sailor Gundam 06
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:57 pm


ChrisJS
Well this isn't really a question but...sort of...anyways. I was thinking about the episode where Duo piltos Wing Zero. When pilots hallucinate on the Zero System, they seemed to always see things that they were afraid of or didn't want to happen. (Trowa saw Catherine die, Duo saw Hilde die, Zechs saw peacemillion be destroyed, the Oz soldier saw himself die...etc.) But Duo saw deathscythe. I wasn't sure what to make of that. I mean, Duo always seemed very attached to deathscythe; it was his companion. I would say it could be because, to him, deathscythe personified death for Duo, but Duo didn't even seem to fear death itself (just as none of the gundam pilots did). Now I understand that Duo puts up a front...he isn't as happy as he always seems, but it made me wonder why Duo seemed to see himself pitted against deathscythe, as if they were enemies. Just curious to hear some opinions. Does it imply that Duo was afraid of the death that his gundam personified? Or do you think it was more like, "It's just freaky that a bunch of little gundams are flying around my head" kind of thing?


I wouldn't say Duo's afraid of death for himself, but rather for those around him. He's lost a lot of people in his life, so the last thing he would want is to lose more. Add to that the fact that Hilde came after him in Deathscythe at that point. Trent used a shuttle to bring Duo and ZERO out into space from the colony, leaving Hilde behind with Deathscythe. So, you'll notice that right after he sees all the little ones, that's when Hilde shows up in the real one. They swap out... since Trent suddenly decides he wants to try the ZERO again himself... and he fights Duo in Deathscythe while Hilde goes to the shuttle.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:31 pm


In the Zero, the Deathscythe represented death for Duo. The one thing that he cherishes, he fears in that moment. Contradiction, right? But, there's a lot of contrasts in Duo's life. You guys might disagree with this, but I'm going to go ahead and throw in my two cents.

There are lots of ironies in Duo's life. He's grown up knowing death and believed there was never a God or miracle to save those he cherished. However, he still wants to have faith. He bears the priest attire and continues to preech about loving life, even as he takes on the role as the "God of Death". But, why does he do this? What's with the whole, "God of Death" stuff? What do you do when you're faced with an enemy you can't defeat? You cannot beat death. So.. Duo becomes that which he fears and hates so he's able to escape it. It's the only way he is able to save those around him.

The path to peace for the gundams is through killing. This creates yet more conflict in Duo's life. He fights to protect the colonies and to prevent them from sharing his past. But, in the end he is creating death. He's killing soldiers and leaving children without families. Children that may one day take the same path he has. There is no rationalization for Duo. He only knows that it is for the sake of peace, a life without war and death that he continues to fight. For this, he takes lives and creates distruction.

So why would Duo fear Deathscythe? He loves Deathscythe. It can't hurt him. Unlike Solo and Maxwell church, It'll never leave him alone and it will never die. It's a safe zone. But, Zero shows Duo the opposite. Zero takes what Duo cherishes and twists it back into what he fears. He's terrified. Duo is filled with cold fear. Shinigami is before him and he's lost control. He's alone. In his moment, his bond is lost as Deathscythe's turned into the one thing that's taken everything from him.

Death.

Enonia


ChrisJS

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:50 pm


Wow, thats some great insight on Duo. I most definitely cannot disagree with you. That makes total sense. Duo has always felt that Deathscythe is his companion. And the zero system shows you "unrealities" in the sense that what he is seeing at that exact moment isn't real. Thus, deathscyth coming after Duo isn't real either. But the zero system also gives answers, right? Maybe it is implying to Duo that, even though Deathscythe is his companion, it still personifies the death that has made him what he is...those deaths do probably haunt Duo and hold some type of fear for him. Also, even though Deathscythe is his way of protecting people and his way to accepting his ability to battle, Duo knows it contributes to more death like those he experienced.

On a different note, was there effeciently a friend of Duo's named Solo? In everything I have read, I haven't heard of one but it has come up before so I figured I missed it...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:13 pm


It comes from Episode Zero and was never included in the anime series from problems that came up. Episode Zero was written by Katsuyuki Sumizawa (the writer of the Gundam Wing anime), so it's been mostly accepted as canon information. Additionally, the fact that it was originally planned to have been included in the series supports it. However, because of scheduling issue, it didn't make it. crying

Enonia


Sailor Gundam 06
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:04 am


Enonia
It comes from Episode Zero and was never included in the anime series from problems that came up. Episode Zero was written by Katsuyuki Sumizawa (the writer of the Gundam Wing anime), so it's been mostly accepted as canon information. Additionally, the fact that it was originally planned to have been included in the series supports it. However, because of scheduling issue, it didn't make it. crying


Actually... the translation Episode Zero volume that I bought from Amazon doesn't have Solo in it. However, Solo is in Duo's flashback segment of the Endless Waltz light novel. I've yet to find a complete translation of it, but it's because of Solo that Duo picks his name.

Solo was the original leader of the gang we see Duo in charge of during Episode Zero. Duo sort of 'inherits' the position after Solo dies in a plague outbreak. As Solo is dying, he tells Duo that he will always watch over him. "If you were Solo, then we'll be Duo," Duo tells him (or something like that, I don't remember the exact wording), effectively naming himself (as he doesn't remember his real name), and keeping Solo with him in his own way.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:46 pm


Ah, that's right. My bad. I was running on auto-pilot and just made the assumption that it was in Episode Zero. Those creaters, always mixing past information around and confusing me. rolleyes

I think there is a mini segment about Solo though, at the end of Duo's episode Zero in the summary. Then again, my memory could be failing me; It's been quite a while since I've read them.

Hope I can get around to purchasing them. Then again, my savings kind of died when I splurged on the entire DVD box set. crying

Enonia


Duo Shinigami Maxwell

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:20 pm


I can't find my copy! crying I found all my other manga, but my Ep0 went missing on me. sad I need to try and find it.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:12 pm


Enonia
Ah, that's right. My bad. I was running on auto-pilot and just made the assumption that it was in Episode Zero. Those creaters, always mixing past information around and confusing me. rolleyes

I think there is a mini segment about Solo though, at the end of Duo's episode Zero in the summary. Then again, my memory could be failing me; It's been quite a while since I've read them.

Hope I can get around to purchasing them. Then again, my savings kind of died when I splurged on the entire DVD box set. crying

No, you're right: there's a little blurb about Solo in the notes after Duo's vignette in TOKYOPOP's release (don't have the untranslated Japanese version, I'm afraid), but it's nothing particularly in-depth.

NowhereManXP


Colonel Lady Une
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:17 pm


It was Viz, not Tokyopop, that released Episode Zero but yes there is a blurb. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:51 am


Colonel Lady Une
It was Viz, not Tokyopop, that released Episode Zero but yes there is a blurb. 3nodding

Ouch, touchè, Lady Une. Maybe I should check the binding next time. mrgreen

NowhereManXP


Colonel Lady Une
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:57 pm


User ImageLol! It's ok... Nice to see you here. Where have you been, hon?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:14 pm


If Trieze was confined within the Rommerfeller Foundation, and his actions were being severely limited, how did he acquire enough gundanium to build Epyon? And where did he get the plans for the zero system? Well, Zechs ended up using it too so did they just...get around?

Also, when you first see Epyon, you see Lady Une behind Trieze and that's after she's been shot. Is she really there? I mean, Trieze had already acknowledged her as dead. Was it only symbolic? Or something else?

ChrisJS


Sailor Gundam 06
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:22 pm


ChrisJS
If Trieze was confined within the Rommerfeller Foundation, and his actions were being severely limited, how did he acquire enough gundanium to build Epyon? And where did he get the plans for the zero system? Well, Zechs ended up using it too so did they just...get around?

Also, when you first see Epyon, you see Lady Une behind Trieze and that's after she's been shot. Is she really there? I mean, Trieze had already acknowledged her as dead. Was it only symbolic? Or something else?


Well, the first question... He's Treize. When he gets imprisoned, his loyal followers leave OZ and create the Treize Faction. It's probably fairly safe to assume that he has some people on the outside that can get that information for him. Also, Wing ZERO was initially designed by the five scientists around the same time as the Leo Prototype (aka: original Tallgeese). That was while they were still working for OZ and the Alliance. It is conceivable that a version of the ZERO system was in OZ's databanks and accessible to Treize.

As for the second one... I'd have to go watch it again to be sure. I don't remember her being there.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:38 am


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She was there. End of Episode 28 in her blue outfit with a white rose and in the shadows encouraging him. I guess he was imagining. He offered up a red rose when he put down her pictures. Just a bit of trivia but the white rose is true love and red rose is passion. Just glad it wasn't yellow... That's friendship.

Colonel Lady Une
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Sailor Gundam 06
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:39 am


Hm... he might have been, then. Especially if she had the rose.
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